Apple-Crop: remove me from the applecrop listserv

2010-01-17 Thread Melanie Stephens
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RE: Apple-Crop: For Discussion: Pesticide Applications Rates and Tree Row Vol...

2010-01-17 Thread Glen Koehler
Say it ain't so Dave! Do you really want to leave it at: "Thus, for the majority of apple growers, and especially when using newer products, the safest bet will be to apply the recommended amount of product/A regardless of tree size." You really advise apple growers to put on same amount of p

Re: Apple-Crop: For Discussion: Pesticide Applications Rates and Tree Row Volume

2010-01-17 Thread David Kollas
The time required to do a reliable water-sensitive paper determination of Dilute Water Volume per acre is, I think, its greatest practical limitation. Misreading the "near 100% coverage" point, when the paper surface has been near 100% wetted, is not likely to produce a large error if one

RE: Apple-Crop: For Discussion: Pesticide Applications Rates and Tree Row Volume

2010-01-17 Thread Jim Bittner
Forget water sensitive paper. I have a few acres of organic apples. After you use Surround a few times, you realize how valuable it is to use it to see if you are really getting spray coverage. Missing tops of trees, not getting penetration late in the season, how much drift you are getting. E

RE: Apple-Crop: For Discussion: Pesticide Applications Rates and Tree Row Vol...

2010-01-17 Thread Glen Koehler
Jim. Fair enough to say forget TRV, but I'm wondering if you actually do adjust rate per acre in a different way. When you have sprayer set up for 50 or 100 gallons per acre then move from block of larger trees to smaller trees do you keep the same set of nozzles firing, or do you shut down nozzl

RE: Apple-Crop: For Discussion: Pesticide Applications Rates and Tree Row Volume

2010-01-17 Thread Glen Koehler
A manufacturer of water sensitive paper once told me that the paper is a relative and not an absolute measure of coverage. This is because the visible change in color on the paper is larger than the actual droplet coverage (I assume through wicking action but I don't have any details). If true

Re: Apple-Crop: Re: a question about bud terminology

2010-01-17 Thread David Kollas
Harold: I was too quick in hitting the "Send" button. I should have taken the time to discover Zielinski included also, classification of buds, on page 79. It evidently does not recognize shoot initials in apple and pear as components of their buds: Cla

Re: Apple-Crop: Re: a question about bud terminology

2010-01-17 Thread Jon Clements
That sounds good Dave -- from my forestry background, the bundle of needles in a pine tree is often used to help identify (among other things) the species as this bundle or fascicle has different numbers of needle depending on the species. For example, white pine (Pinus strobus) has 5 needles per f

Re: Apple-Crop: Re: a question about bud terminology

2010-01-17 Thread David Kollas
I immediately think of Quentin Bliss Zielinski when I see questions concerning the classification of fruit crops. I still have his book, "Modern Systematic Pomology" published in 1955, that I used in his Oregon State University 'Systematic Pomology' course. In it, he lists the sweet and

Re: Apple-Crop: For Discussion: Pesticide Applications Rates and Tree Row Vol...

2010-01-17 Thread Bill Shoemaker
I agree with Davids comments and appreciate his straightforward approach. I think all of us who work at public universities make individual choices of how we respond to these situations. The newer you are into the system the more risk you may feel by introducing revolutionary concepts. Part of t

Apple-Crop: Re: a question about bud terminology

2010-01-17 Thread Harold J. Larsen
The discussion about TRV has been most interesting, but I have another question about bud terminology. Within the Rose family, we have crops that have differing types of flower-containing buds: - a single flower, no shoots -- Apricot, peach, and nectarine (plus some individual buds on plum)