Re: Apple-Crop: copper fungicides for organic apples?

[Les Price]

I almost always get a dropped face look when, at a
farmers market, I tell a customer that the pesticide I
am forced to use on his apples in order to maintain my
organic certification is more toxic than the
"chemical" alternative.
I am able to convince my small part of the buying
public of the lies surrounding the hype of organic
apple growing but as long as the main stream press
continues to broadcast/publish the misconceptions
surrounding the hysteria of organics then the
thousands and thousands of customers I miss leaves me
feeling more than a little helpless.
Continue the battle.
Les
Jones Creek farms
Skagit Valley, Washington

--- bittne...@aol.com wrote:

>  
>  
> We just had a state senator that wanted to stop
> calling a product IPM  
> raised if you used any products that had Danger or
> Warning signal word on the  
> label.  When I pointed out to him that a number of
> approved organic  products 
> (most coppers, lime sulfur and pyrethrums) fell into
> that trap, he  backed 
> off.  
>  
> Jim Bittner
> Appleton, NY
>  
> In a message dated 5/16/2009 2:00:27 P.M. Eastern
> Standard Time,  
> cleme...@umext.umass.edu writes:
> 
> Interesting that Champ WG has a 'Danger' signal
> word. Sounds real   
> 'organic,' huh?
> 
> :-)
> 
> Jon Clements
> Extension Tree Fruit  Specialist
> UMass Cold Spring Orchard
> 393 Sabin Street
> Belchertown,  MA  01007
> VOICE 413.478.7219
> FAX 413.323.6647
> IM  mrhoneycrisp
> Skype Name mrhoneycrisp
> 
> 
> 
> On May 13, 2009, at  8:27 AM, Glen Koehler wrote:
> 
> > Champ WG is on the OMRI list.   Use instructions
> for anthracnose and
> > European canker say "Apply before  fall rains.",
> with no other
> > restriction.  I'm not a lawyer nor do  I play one
> on TV, but that seems
> > to leave a wide window for  interpreting
> applications made in summer as
> > being within label  allowance for timing.  Label
> is at
> >  http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld8NR000.pdf
> >
> > Glen Koehler
> >  University of Maine Cooperative Extension
> > Pest Management  Office
> > 491 College Avenue, Orono, ME  04473
> > Tel:   207-581-3882
> > Email:  gkoeh...@umext.maine.edu
> > Web:   http://pmo.umext.maine.edu/apple/
> > Fax:   207-581-3881
> >
> >
> >
> > What we call the secret of  happiness is no more a
> secret than our
> > willingness to choose life. -  Leo Buscaglia
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From:  apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
> > [mailto:apple-c...@virtualorchard.net]  On Behalf
> Of Dave Rosenberger
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:30  PM
> > To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
> > Subject: Apple-Crop:  copper fungicides for
> organic apples?
> >
> > Can anyone point me to a  copper fungicide that is
> OMRI approved for
> > organic farmers AND that  also has a US EPA label
> that allows repeated
> > applications to apples  during summer.   I know
> that I should be able
> > to find this  info on the OMRI web-site, but I
> found that site
> > extremely confusing  when I tried it a year or two
> ago.
> > -- 
> > 
>
**
> > Dave  Rosenberger
> > Professor of Plant Pathology  Office: 
> 845-691-7231
> > Cornell University's Hudson  Valley Lab   
> Fax:845-691-2719
> >  P.O. Box 727, Highland, NY 12528Cell:  
> 845-594-3060
> > 
>
http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/pp/faculty/rosenberger/
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Apple-Crop: copper fungicides for organic apples?

[Brian Caldwell]

Not to beat a dead horse, but the signal word for the copper soap fungicide 
is Caution.


Presumably the soap chemistry helps this less toxic product to be 
effective, but there are only two university trials on it that I can find 
(both vs grape powdery mildew, against which it was effective).  It is 
recommended against various diseases on some extension web pages.


Organic methods can and should evolve, but there needs to be good research 
to support improvements.  Does anyone know of other trials on any crop, 
ornamental or edible, using copper soap or "liquid copper"?


Thanks,
Brian Caldwell



At 02:50 PM 5/16/2009, you wrote:

Interesting that Champ WG has a 'Danger' signal word. Sounds real
'organic,' huh?

:-)

Jon Clements
Extension Tree Fruit Specialist
UMass Cold Spring Orchard
393 Sabin Street
Belchertown, MA  01007
VOICE 413.478.7219
FAX 413.323.6647
IM mrhoneycrisp
Skype Name mrhoneycrisp



On May 13, 2009, at 8:27 AM, Glen Koehler wrote:


Champ WG is on the OMRI list.  Use instructions for anthracnose and
European canker say "Apply before fall rains.", with no other
restriction.  I'm not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV, but that seems
to leave a wide window for interpreting applications made in summer as
being within label allowance for timing.  Label is at
http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld8NR000.pdf

Glen Koehler
University of Maine Cooperative Extension
Pest Management Office
491 College Avenue, Orono, ME  04473
Tel:  207-581-3882
Email:  gkoeh...@umext.maine.edu
Web:  http://pmo.umext.maine.edu/apple/
Fax:  207-581-3881



What we call the secret of happiness is no more a secret than our
willingness to choose life. - Leo Buscaglia


-Original Message-
From: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
[mailto:apple-c...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Dave Rosenberger
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:30 PM
To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
Subject: Apple-Crop: copper fungicides for organic apples?

Can anyone point me to a copper fungicide that is OMRI approved for
organic farmers AND that also has a US EPA label that allows repeated
applications to apples during summer.   I know that I should be able
to find this info on the OMRI web-site, but I found that site
extremely confusing when I tried it a year or two ago.
--
**
Dave Rosenberger
Professor of Plant PathologyOffice:  845-691-7231
Cornell University's Hudson Valley Lab  Fax:845-691-2719
P.O. Box 727, Highland, NY 12528Cell: 845-594-3060
http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/pp/faculty/rosenberger/




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Re: Apple-Crop: copper fungicides for organic apples?

[Dan DiGiacomandrea]

That a way Jim!


Dan DiGiacomandrea
djd71...@rochester.rr.com 
  - Original Message - 
  From: bittne...@aol.com 
  To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net 
  Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 3:08 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: copper fungicides for organic apples?


  We just had a state senator that wanted to stop calling a product IPM raised 
if you used any products that had Danger or Warning signal word on the label.  
When I pointed out to him that a number of approved organic products (most 
coppers, lime sulfur and pyrethrums) fell into that trap, he backed off.  

  Jim Bittner
  Appleton, NY

  In a message dated 5/16/2009 2:00:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
cleme...@umext.umass.edu writes:
Interesting that Champ WG has a 'Danger' signal word. Sounds real  
'organic,' huh?

:-)

Jon Clements
Extension Tree Fruit Specialist
UMass Cold Spring Orchard
393 Sabin Street
Belchertown, MA  01007
VOICE 413.478.7219
FAX 413.323.6647
IM mrhoneycrisp
Skype Name mrhoneycrisp



On May 13, 2009, at 8:27 AM, Glen Koehler wrote:

> Champ WG is on the OMRI list.  Use instructions for anthracnose and
> European canker say "Apply before fall rains.", with no other
> restriction.  I'm not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV, but that seems
> to leave a wide window for interpreting applications made in summer as
> being within label allowance for timing.  Label is at
> http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld8NR000.pdf
>
> Glen Koehler
> University of Maine Cooperative Extension
> Pest Management Office
> 491 College Avenue, Orono, ME  04473
> Tel:  207-581-3882
> Email:  gkoeh...@umext.maine.edu
> Web:  http://pmo.umext.maine.edu/apple/
> Fax:  207-581-3881
>
>
>
> What we call the secret of happiness is no more a secret than our
> willingness to choose life. - Leo Buscaglia
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
> [mailto:apple-c...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Dave Rosenberger
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:30 PM
> To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
> Subject: Apple-Crop: copper fungicides for organic apples?
>
> Can anyone point me to a copper fungicide that is OMRI approved for
> organic farmers AND that also has a US EPA label that allows repeated
> applications to apples during summer.   I know that I should be able
> to find this info on the OMRI web-site, but I found that site
> extremely confusing when I tried it a year or two ago.
> -- 
> **
> Dave Rosenberger
> Professor of Plant Pathology Office:  845-691-7231
> Cornell University's Hudson Valley LabFax:845-691-2719
> P.O. Box 727, Highland, NY 12528Cell: 845-594-3060
> http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/pp/faculty/rosenberger/
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Re: Apple-Crop: copper fungicides for organic apples?

[Bittner58]

 
 
We just had a state senator that wanted to stop calling a product IPM  
raised if you used any products that had Danger or Warning signal word on the  
label.  When I pointed out to him that a number of approved organic  products 
(most coppers, lime sulfur and pyrethrums) fell into that trap, he  backed 
off.  
 
Jim Bittner
Appleton, NY
 
In a message dated 5/16/2009 2:00:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
cleme...@umext.umass.edu writes:

Interesting that Champ WG has a 'Danger' signal word. Sounds real   
'organic,' huh?

:-)

Jon Clements
Extension Tree Fruit  Specialist
UMass Cold Spring Orchard
393 Sabin Street
Belchertown,  MA  01007
VOICE 413.478.7219
FAX 413.323.6647
IM  mrhoneycrisp
Skype Name mrhoneycrisp



On May 13, 2009, at  8:27 AM, Glen Koehler wrote:

> Champ WG is on the OMRI list.   Use instructions for anthracnose and
> European canker say "Apply before  fall rains.", with no other
> restriction.  I'm not a lawyer nor do  I play one on TV, but that seems
> to leave a wide window for  interpreting applications made in summer as
> being within label  allowance for timing.  Label is at
>  http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld8NR000.pdf
>
> Glen Koehler
>  University of Maine Cooperative Extension
> Pest Management  Office
> 491 College Avenue, Orono, ME  04473
> Tel:   207-581-3882
> Email:  gkoeh...@umext.maine.edu
> Web:   http://pmo.umext.maine.edu/apple/
> Fax:   207-581-3881
>
>
>
> What we call the secret of  happiness is no more a secret than our
> willingness to choose life. -  Leo Buscaglia
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From:  apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
> [mailto:apple-c...@virtualorchard.net]  On Behalf Of Dave Rosenberger
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:30  PM
> To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
> Subject: Apple-Crop:  copper fungicides for organic apples?
>
> Can anyone point me to a  copper fungicide that is OMRI approved for
> organic farmers AND that  also has a US EPA label that allows repeated
> applications to apples  during summer.   I know that I should be able
> to find this  info on the OMRI web-site, but I found that site
> extremely confusing  when I tried it a year or two ago.
> -- 
>  **
> Dave  Rosenberger
> Professor of Plant Pathology  Office:  845-691-7231
> Cornell University's Hudson  Valley LabFax:845-691-2719
>  P.O. Box 727, Highland, NY 12528Cell:   845-594-3060
>  http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/pp/faculty/rosenberger/
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Re: Apple-Crop: copper fungicides for organic apples?

[Jon Clements]

Interesting that Champ WG has a 'Danger' signal word. Sounds real  
'organic,' huh?


:-)

Jon Clements
Extension Tree Fruit Specialist
UMass Cold Spring Orchard
393 Sabin Street
Belchertown, MA  01007
VOICE 413.478.7219
FAX 413.323.6647
IM mrhoneycrisp
Skype Name mrhoneycrisp



On May 13, 2009, at 8:27 AM, Glen Koehler wrote:


Champ WG is on the OMRI list.  Use instructions for anthracnose and
European canker say "Apply before fall rains.", with no other
restriction.  I'm not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV, but that seems
to leave a wide window for interpreting applications made in summer as
being within label allowance for timing.  Label is at
http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld8NR000.pdf

Glen Koehler
University of Maine Cooperative Extension
Pest Management Office
491 College Avenue, Orono, ME  04473
Tel:  207-581-3882
Email:  gkoeh...@umext.maine.edu
Web:  http://pmo.umext.maine.edu/apple/
Fax:  207-581-3881



What we call the secret of happiness is no more a secret than our
willingness to choose life. - Leo Buscaglia


-Original Message-
From: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
[mailto:apple-c...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Dave Rosenberger
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:30 PM
To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
Subject: Apple-Crop: copper fungicides for organic apples?

Can anyone point me to a copper fungicide that is OMRI approved for
organic farmers AND that also has a US EPA label that allows repeated
applications to apples during summer.   I know that I should be able
to find this info on the OMRI web-site, but I found that site
extremely confusing when I tried it a year or two ago.
--
**
Dave Rosenberger
Professor of Plant PathologyOffice:  845-691-7231
Cornell University's Hudson Valley Lab  Fax:845-691-2719
P.O. Box 727, Highland, NY 12528Cell: 845-594-3060
http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/pp/faculty/rosenberger/




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RE: Apple-Crop: copper fungicides for organic apples?

[Glen Koehler]

Champ WG is on the OMRI list.  Use instructions for anthracnose and
European canker say "Apply before fall rains.", with no other
restriction.  I'm not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV, but that seems
to leave a wide window for interpreting applications made in summer as
being within label allowance for timing.  Label is at
http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld8NR000.pdf

Glen Koehler
University of Maine Cooperative Extension
Pest Management Office
491 College Avenue, Orono, ME  04473
Tel:  207-581-3882
Email:  gkoeh...@umext.maine.edu
Web:  http://pmo.umext.maine.edu/apple/
Fax:  207-581-3881

 

What we call the secret of happiness is no more a secret than our
willingness to choose life. - Leo Buscaglia


-Original Message-
From: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
[mailto:apple-c...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Dave Rosenberger
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:30 PM
To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
Subject: Apple-Crop: copper fungicides for organic apples?

Can anyone point me to a copper fungicide that is OMRI approved for 
organic farmers AND that also has a US EPA label that allows repeated 
applications to apples during summer.   I know that I should be able 
to find this info on the OMRI web-site, but I found that site 
extremely confusing when I tried it a year or two ago.
-- 
**
Dave Rosenberger
Professor of Plant PathologyOffice:  845-691-7231
Cornell University's Hudson Valley Lab  Fax:845-691-2719
P.O. Box 727, Highland, NY 12528Cell: 845-594-3060
http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/pp/faculty/rosenberger/




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Re: Apple-Crop: copper fungicides for organic apples?

[Win Cowgill]

Dave Champ WG copper is labeled under OMRI-they list the following: Champ WGClassification: 	Crop Pest, Weed, and Disease ControlCategory: 	Coppers – fixedRestriction: 	May be used for plant disease control if the requirements of 205.206(e) are met, which requires the use of preventative, mechanical, physical, and other pest, weed, and disease management practices. Must be used in a manner that minimizes copper accumulation in the soil and shall not be used as herbicides.I will send you the lable off the cdms site.Best,Win Win CowgillProfessor and Area Fruit Agent Department HeadRutgers Cooperative Extension of Hunterdon CountyNew Jersey Agriculture Exp. StationPO Box 2900 Flemington, NJ 08822-2900Office 908-788-1338Cell-908-489-0207Email: cowg...@njaes.rutgers.eduhttp://www.virtualorchard.net/win/ On May 12, 2009, at 10:30 PM, Dave Rosenberger wrote:Can anyone point me to a copper fungicide that is OMRI approved for organic farmers AND that also has a US EPA label that allows repeated applications to apples during summer.   I know that I should be able to find this info on the OMRI web-site, but I found that site extremely confusing when I tried it a year or two ago.-- **Dave RosenbergerProfessor of Plant Pathology 			Office:  845-691-7231Cornell University's Hudson Valley Lab		Fax:    845-691-2719P.O. Box 727, Highland, NY 12528		Cell: 845-594-3060	http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/pp/faculty/rosenberger/--The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard  and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements .Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent "official" opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content.