Re: [arin-ppml] Ip allocation

2014-04-29 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 4/28/2014 8:58 PM, Derek Calanchini wrote: *Is there anything I can do to speed this along? Seriously, I will do authoring, leg work, make calls...whatever it takes!* How about: submit a plan for multihoming and a request for a /22 based on your current usage? Matthew Kaufman

Re: [arin-ppml] Ip allocation

2014-04-29 Thread John Curran
On Apr 28, 2014, at 11:26 PM, Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at wrote: Dual-home with a provider with no term commitment. No matter how painful that is, it'll be less painful than a policy change. Matthew - One point to keep in mind is that all of these policies will remain in effect

Re: [arin-ppml] Ip allocation

2014-04-29 Thread McTim
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Derek Calanchini der...@cnets.net wrote: Hello all, I will be brief as possible. I need assistance with either requesting a policy change or an appeal/exception to current policy. snip I feel like I am being penalized for using my IP's efficiently!! As

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-204 Removing Needs Test from Small IPv4 Transfers (fwd)

2014-04-29 Thread Bill Darte
Hi John, Couple of questions. could the solution for staff effort be solved more directly by modifying the protocol that establishes team testing for each and every request through exhaustion? I wonder about the need for these extraordinary measures. Is /16 small? Did you consider a

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-204 Removing Needs Test from Small IPv4Transfers (fwd)

2014-04-29 Thread Mike Burns
Thank you, John. I proposed this policy change and support it. As has been pointed out, nothing changes upon exhaust that would affect the problems presented here. If you are not multihomed, whether we have exhausted or not, you can not acquire these addresses through the transfer market. For

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-204 Removing Needs Test from Small IPv4 Transfers (fwd)

2014-04-29 Thread Mike Burns
Hi Bill, I will answer as the author. I chose /16 as a starting point for discussion, at least, because my experience as a broker demonstrates a distinction in buyers and sellers around that size. I suppose we could go by ARIN billing policy which has different definitions, but I think a /16 is

Re: [arin-ppml] Ip allocation

2014-04-29 Thread Michael Peddemors
Proposal 207 is novel, but it is meant strictly for those looking to 'transition' to IPv6, so in this case he might not qualify.. I don't think that 207 is enough yet, and while on it's own I could normally support it except for one thing.. 30 days is a little to short of time for smaller

[arin-ppml] Last IPv4 Address Space

2014-04-29 Thread Martin Hannigan
How about an apolitical last /N policy? Section N Last IPv4 Addresses Available in Region Upon receipt of a /11 or up to an equivalent from the IANA, ARIN will set that prefix, aggregate or longer equivalent aside until a /11 of inventory is reached and for assignment of a /24 to all existing

Re: [arin-ppml] Ip allocation

2014-04-29 Thread Martin Hannigan
Sure, but sending it in without prior discussion will result in another bride of Frankenstein. One way to do this in a simple and parse-able way could be to change the minimum allocation unit in 4.2.1.5 from the reference to a /22 to a /24. Best, -M On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:31 PM,

Re: [arin-ppml] Ip allocation

2014-04-29 Thread Martin Hannigan
I also missed one after thinking about it even more. Change the /20 reference to a /24 as well. guess that's two. Ooops. One could be tempted to completely rewrite. I wouldn't try it. Best, -M ___ PPML You are receiving this message because you are

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-204 Removing Needs Test from Small IPv4 Transfers (fwd)

2014-04-29 Thread Owen DeLong
In general, I think removing needs basis is an utterly bad idea. However, if we were to do a 1 year trial at /20, to gather data and evaluate the actual impacts of such a policy, I would consider that acceptable. + Does it actually lead to increased whois accuracy as proclaimed

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-204 Removing Needs Test from Small IPv4 Transfers (fwd)

2014-04-29 Thread David Huberman
When I studied it for ARIN, 87% of the v4 address space ARIN issued over a 2 year period went to ELEVEN companies. I'm not speaking directly to prop 204, but in general: policy has favored big guys at the gross expense of small guys for 15 years. It's injust. And the math (at least in the

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-204 Removing Needs Test from Small IPv4 Transfers (fwd)

2014-04-29 Thread Michael Peddemors
On 14-04-29 10:28 AM, David Huberman wrote: When I studied it for ARIN, 87% of the v4 address space ARIN issued over a 2 year period went to ELEVEN companies. I’m not speaking directly to prop 204, but in general: policy has favored big guys at the gross expense of small guys for 15 years.

[arin-ppml] NRPM 4.10 - is a /10 large enough?

2014-04-29 Thread Bill Owens
A couple of recent threads here and my general sense of the (lack of) urgency around IPv6 deployment has made me wonder whether setting aside a /10 under NRPM 4.10 - Dedicated IPv4 block to facilitate IPv6 Deployment - is really going to be enough. I was looking at Geoff Huston's graphs

[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Reduce all Minimum Allocation/Assignment units to /24

2014-04-29 Thread Owen DeLong
Template: ARIN-POLICY-PROPOSAL-TEMPLATE-3.0 1. Policy Proposal Name: Reduce all Minimum Allocation/Assignment units to /24 2. Proposal Originator a. name: Owen DeLong b. email: o...@delong.com c. telephone:

Re: [arin-ppml] NRPM 4.10 - is a /10 large enough?

2014-04-29 Thread Andrew Dul
On 4/29/2014 10:54 AM, Bill Owens wrote: A couple of recent threads here and my general sense of the (lack of) urgency around IPv6 deployment has made me wonder whether setting aside a /10 under NRPM 4.10 - Dedicated IPv4 block to facilitate IPv6 Deployment - is really going to be enough. I

Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Reduce all Minimum Allocation/Assignment units to /24

2014-04-29 Thread Martin Hannigan
Looks good. On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: Template: ARIN-POLICY-PROPOSAL-TEMPLATE-3.0 1. Policy Proposal Name: Reduce all Minimum Allocation/Assignment units to /24 2. Proposal Originator a. name: Owen DeLong b. email: o...@delong.com c. telephone:

Re: [arin-ppml] Last IPv4 Address Space

2014-04-29 Thread Chris Grundemann
I posit that IP addresses are most efficient when in use on networks and not when in inventory at an RIR. My android sent this. On Apr 29, 2014 9:32 AM, Martin Hannigan hanni...@gmail.com wrote: How about an apolitical last /N policy? Section N Last IPv4 Addresses Available in Region

Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Reduce all Minimum Allocation/Assignment units to /24

2014-04-29 Thread Andrew Sullivan
I support this. A On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 10:58:58AM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: Template: ARIN-POLICY-PROPOSAL-TEMPLATE-3.0 1. Policy Proposal Name: Reduce all Minimum Allocation/Assignment units to /24 2. Proposal Originator a. name: Owen DeLong

Re: [arin-ppml] NRPM 4.10 - is a /10 large enough?

2014-04-29 Thread Skylar MacMinn
I'd expect the Quick jump from 1.34 to 1.00 with the Cloudflare /12 and the Akamai /10 to have caused enough panic as is. I'd support reserving the IANA recovered address pool for that, but not current available IPv4 space. Cordially Yours, Skylar MacMinn www.crissic.net Crissic Solutions, LLC

Re: [arin-ppml] NRPM 4.10 - is a /10 large enough?

2014-04-29 Thread Martin Hannigan
I think the a reserved /11 policy for all and from the IANA frags and eleasing this back to the free pool would provide for the same function. Delete it and return it to the pool. Best, -M On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Bill Owens ow...@nysernet.org wrote: A couple of recent threads here

Re: [arin-ppml] policy proposal/min. Allocation/assignment

2014-04-29 Thread Rudolph Daniel
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Re: [arin-ppml] NRPM 4.10 - is a /10 large enough?

2014-04-29 Thread Bill Owens
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 11:13:26AM -0700, Andrew Dul wrote: Policy proposal 207, suggests that we add to the existing /10 reserved pool with the fragments that we will get back from IANA shortly. It appears ARIN will received somewhere between a /11 and /10 equivalent when the fragments are

Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Reduce all Minimum Allocation/Assignment units to /24

2014-04-29 Thread Alvarado, Jose
I'm in support of this. Regards, Jose Alvarado Sr Engineering Specialist, | Technology Operations, Internet Security |Customer Operations | * Tel: 416.642.4036 | *Cell: 416.315.4364| * email: jose.alvar...@allstream.commailto:jose.alvar...@allstream.com MTS Allstream Inc [sig8] From:

Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Reduce all Minimum Allocation/Assignment units to /24

2014-04-29 Thread Alvarado, Jose
Also on this, will there be any expected timeframe when the actual policy be publicly announced so that some of our pending customers whom are seeking to go directly to ARIN to request IP addresses can be directed to do so? Thanks Jose Alvarado Sr Engineering Specialist, | Technology

Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Reduce all Minimum Allocation/Assignment units to /24

2014-04-29 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: 1. Policy Proposal Name: Reduce all Minimum Allocation/Assignment units to /24 5. Policy statement: Change the minimum allocation and assignment unit for all IPv4 single and multi homed instances to /20. This would include:

Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Reduce allMinimum Allocation/Assignment units to /24

2014-04-29 Thread Paul Emmons
Support as well. Paul Emmons From: arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 12:59 PM To: pol...@arin.net; ARIN PPML (p...@arin.net) Subject: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Reduce all Minimum Allocation/Assignment

Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Reduce all Minimum Allocation/Assignment units to /24

2014-04-29 Thread Michael Peddemors
And I support.. if it wasn't clear.. I mentioned to the author that if this is tough to swallow, we should at least go down to a /22 everywhere.. (We have an application going in as well for space, and we would be returning 3 /24's back upstream on acceptance as well, it would be nicer if we

Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Reduce all Minimum Allocation/Assignment units to /24

2014-04-29 Thread Leif Sawyer
Support. Let's make sure we get the end-user policy as well, though. (Per Derek's email) From: arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 9:59 AM To: pol...@arin.net; ARIN PPML (p...@arin.net) Subject: [arin-ppml]

Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Reduce all Minimum Allocation/Assignment units to /24

2014-04-29 Thread Michael Peddemors
Derek, Just FYI, this is something that you might consider being 'fast tracked' by the supporters.. NANOG 61 is traveling to Bellevue, Washington for the second time! , NANOG 61 takes place on June 2-4, 2014 and will offer a great opportunity to network with colleagues, freshen-up

Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Reduce all Minimum Allocation/Assignment units to /24

2014-04-29 Thread Sweeting, John
Yes I meant 61, sorry Sent from my iPhone On Apr 29, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Michael Peddemors mich...@linuxmagic.com wrote: Derek, Just FYI, this is something that you might consider being 'fast tracked' by the supporters.. NANOG 61 is traveling to Bellevue, Washington for the second time!

Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Reduce all Minimum Allocation/Assignment units to /24

2014-04-29 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: I support the proposed change as written. In addition, since Multihomed ISPs no longer have a different minimum allocation, I suggestremoving the distinction between Multihomed and non-Multihomed ISPs: o 4.2.1.5

Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Reduce all Minimum Allocation/Assignment units to /24

2014-04-29 Thread Martin Hannigan
Owens change is simple and fast. Meddling beyond that is asking for trouble. It's a no op. Leave it alone. Bring that to the PPC at NANOG and this is dead. On Tuesday, April 29, 2014, Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Owen DeLong