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On Jun 7, 2014, at 07:15 , Mike Burns m...@iptrading.com wrote:
Hi Owen,
Finding 4 actors who want to corner the market probably wouldn’t be very
hard. Since 25% is 1/4 of the projected market size, I would say that the
rest of your argument is on pretty shaky ground.
It's not
Hi Owen,
Thanks for your reply. Fears of hoarding and speculation don't apply to
2014-14, unless you think that ARIN staff would be unable to discern a
series of spun-up holding corps with hidden ownership. In any case, our
different perspectives of the risks involved are not applicable to
On 14-06-09 11:36 AM, Mike Burns wrote:
unless you think that ARIN staff would be unable to discern a series of
spun-up holding corps with hidden ownership.
We do see what appears to be that now (or at least engineering of whois
records to make it seem like they are different companies) in
On Jun 9, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Mike Burns m...@iptrading.com wrote:
What's more, like ARIN's previous CEO and unlike ARIN's current CEO, RIPE
never took the position that RIPE policy applies to legacy space.
Mike -
Your statement is factually incorrect in multiple ways; you probably are unaware
On Jun 9, 2014, at 2:53 PM, Michael Peddemors mich...@linuxmagic.com wrote:
On 14-06-09 11:36 AM, Mike Burns wrote:
unless you think that ARIN staff would be unable to discern a series of
spun-up holding corps with hidden ownership.
We do see what appears to be that now (or at least
On Jun 9, 2014, at 11:36 , Mike Burns m...@iptrading.com wrote:
Hi Owen,
Thanks for your reply. Fears of hoarding and speculation don't apply to
2014-14, unless you think that ARIN staff would be unable to discern a series
of spun-up holding corps with hidden ownership. In any case, our
Hi John,
That RFC 2050 stuff is just FUD.
I was saying that Plzak declared in court that ARIN's policies did not apply
to legacy space. But you have said that they do.
On the other hand, RIPE ERX has been transferable without need because of
its legacy status.
The statement you extracted
On Jun 9, 2014, at 3:34 PM, Mike Burns m...@iptrading.com wrote:
The statement you extracted was tangential and distracting to the needs-based
discussion.
Tangential or not, such a statement on ppml will not go uncorrected.
FYI,
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN
On 6/6/2014 8:06 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:
All we are debating is the presence or absence of needs assessment as a
gatekeeping function for that market.
This is a fairly administrative and technical argument, not a moral one.
Efficiency is the key criterion (not fairness, really). If you
Hello,
Thank you to those of you who were able to participate at the PPC last
week at NANOG. Below are some thoughts based on the feedback I heard.
I heard some support for this policy with the caveat that this policy
would allow some organizations to apply for address space sooner. Some
Hi Milton,
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Milton L Mueller muel...@syr.edu wrote:
This debate has descended into rather nasty and unconstructive name calling.
So if I am not mistaken with the attribution here, we have Woodcock calling
Huberman 'idiotic,' a devotee of Ayn Rand (how did
OP of [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers, I hope this has
been useful to you. And the speech in Bellevue. As shepherd of 2014-14, I
am less sure of what I may make of it.
It is a lovely philosophical discussion. Clearly an excellent opportunity
for adherents of two diametrically
As the OP, yes, I think this has been useful. We have very very low
participation but I sincerely thank those who take the time to participate.
I agree with the poster who characterized the debate about needs basis and 8.3
transfers to be two diametrically opposed positions.
But again, I'm
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