On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 23:51 Fernando Frediani
wrote:
> Well said.
>
> I find very weird that people try to put IP brokerage as a normal thing
> compared to other usual services that really develop the internet with
> evolution and entrepreneurship.
I find it weird that people still answer
On 26/10/2023 19:54, Martin Hannigan wrote:
Almost every member of the AC and Board works for a company that is
either transferring (buy or sell) IPv4 addresses, on the waitlist,
consulting on obtaining number resources or just plain "needers". Most
have some or all their responsibilities
Well said.
I find very weird that people try to put IP brokerage as a normal thing
compared to other usual services that really develop the internet with
evolution and entrepreneurship.
When you buy a router, a server, any network equipment it is yours. You
may do whatever you want with
Owen –
Appreciate your input here. Related to the policy you reference about the
definition of Allocation. As the lead shepherd for that policy, I will share
that your (and other) feedback about the definition was heard (I referenced it
in the slide presentation specifically.)
Not changing
Did you follow the instructions at the end of *every* email from this list
for how to remove yourself? Did you follow the instructions to contact
i...@arin.net if you have problems doing that?
Mark
> On 27 Oct 2023, at 01:39, Olerato Manyaapelo
> wrote:
>
> How many times must I ask you guys
On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 21:10 Jay Hennigan wrote:
> On 10/26/23 16:35, Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML wrote:
>
> > OK, but consider:
> >
> > Those allocating addresses to customers at a cloud provider — Same exact
> > issues.
> >
> > Those allocating addresses to internal usage at a CDN — Same exact
On 10/26/23 16:35, Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML wrote:
OK, but consider:
Those allocating addresses to customers at a cloud provider — Same exact
issues.
Those allocating addresses to internal usage at a CDN — Same exact
issues.
My point is that there is nothing unique about the inherent COI
I would also support a separate action with your suggested definition for
Org-ID as you outline below.
Brian
bjo...@vt.edu
Mobile client - excuse the typos
On Thu, Oct 26, 2023, 14:35 Owen DeLong wrote:
> I support this course of action, but I still believe there is value in
> adding a
> On Oct 26, 2023, at 15:24, William Herrin wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 11:23 AM Owen DeLong wrote:
>>> On Oct 26, 2023, at 10:11, William Herrin wrote:
>>> Respectfully, this means you misunderstand the nature of Conflict of
>>> Interest.
>>
>> Sure, but what does an address broker
On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 12:11 PM Dustin Moses
wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> I agree with you that having a candidate disclose a potential COI is a
> major point, the reality is in a multi-stakeholder community led
> organization such as ARIN, wouldn't most qualified candidates have a
> conflict of
On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 11:23 AM Owen DeLong wrote:
> > On Oct 26, 2023, at 10:11, William Herrin wrote:
> > Respectfully, this means you misunderstand the nature of Conflict of
> > Interest.
>
> Sure, but what does an address broker who is transferring addresses
> in accordance with ARIN
Hi all,
Having spent a substantial amount of time over the past decade thinking
about how to manage this exact conflict, I figured I weigh in. I am
currently serving out the remainder of my final year on the AC, so I really
don't have a stake here in terms of trying to get re-elected, but I think
My statement that what you are doing border on ad hominem has nothing to do
with contrary to my thinking. I that to do with the fact that you are basically
calling into question the character of an AC candidate and a sitting AC member
without regard for the record presented by either one of
I support this course of action, but I still believe there is value in adding a
definition (as a separate proposal) of ORG-ID.
Suggest:
An ORG-ID is a unique handle pointing to an Organization record in the ARIN
database. All resources in the ARIN database are tied to ORG-IDs.
Owen
> On Oct
Hi Owen
It is good that this is just your own opinion. You are entitled to it of
course.
Of course they seek to abide by ARIN policies and pay fees otherwise
their need don't move. They don't have any other choice. But it is not
hard to think if they had enough power to change policies in
> On Oct 26, 2023, at 10:11, William Herrin wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 10:01 AM Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML
> wrote:
>> I don’t see working for an address broker as an inherent COI for an AC member
>
> Respectfully, this means you misunderstand the nature of Conflict of
> Interest. A
> On Oct 26, 2023, at 10:42, William Herrin wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 10:18 AM Owen DeLong wrote:
>> I know taking pot shots at the PDP and the AC is one of your favorite
>> hobbies, but I think you’re a bit off base on this one.
>
> Stick your fingers in your ears if you like. I've
This hast not been my experience.
In several of my proposals to the ARIN PDP, I was tied to follow the shepherds
inputs, and I’m convinced that those proposals failed because that.
And I recall one specific case, that the AC edits resulted in a major problem,
requiring a new policy proposal
As a member of the NRPM working group and one of the authors that worked on
this particular proposal, I would be in support of dropping the OrgID
definition all together and then submitting changes to sections 4.5 and 6.11
Multiple Discrete Networks as editorial changes to bring them into
> On Oct 26, 2023, at 09:49, Fernando Frediani wrote:
>
> The very existence of PPML is a block and problem for IP brokers to freely do
> business due to the restrictions policies developed here impact their ability
> to do whatever their wish to fit to their customer needs.
> Last time I
There is a kernel of truth behind Bill’s provocative framing. Much PPML
discussion historically started as wordsmithing, which spawned real debate in
many cases. Now, that all happens in private, and we only get discussion on
more contentious topics. That often means the discussion we do get is
On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 10:18 AM Owen DeLong wrote:
> I know taking pot shots at the PDP and the AC is one of your favorite
> hobbies, but I think you’re a bit off base on this one.
Stick your fingers in your ears if you like. I've watched PPML
participation die the death of a thousand cuts and
> On Oct 26, 2023, at 09:47, William Herrin wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 9:28 AM Andrew Dul wrote:
>> On 10/26/2023 9:20 AM, William Herrin wrote:
>>> It plummeted after the Board changed the AC's role from shepherding
>>> policy proposals to developing policy proposals.
>>
>> I
We agree on that much, yes. Thanks for clarifying.
-Adam
> -Original Message-
> From: William Herrin
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 11:15 AM
> To: Adam Thompson
> Cc: Mike Burns ; arin-ppml@arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] AC candidates
>
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 8:42 AM Adam
> On Oct 26, 2023, at 09:44, William Herrin wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 9:42 AM John Curran wrote:
>>> On Oct 26, 2023, at 12:20 PM, William Herrin wrote:
>>> It plummeted after the Board changed the AC's role from shepherding
>>> policy proposals to developing policy proposals.
>>
On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 10:01 AM Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML
wrote:
> I don’t see working for an address broker as an inherent COI for an AC member
Respectfully, this means you misunderstand the nature of Conflict of
Interest. A conflict of interest is not inherently disqualifying. An
impacted
> On Oct 26, 2023, at 08:42, Adam Thompson wrote:
>
> I can't believe I'm taking this position now, but I guess it's 2023 so here
> we are...
>
> I don't agree that an IP broker *inherently* has a problematic conflict of
> interest with ARIN, any more than every ARIN member on the AC has
On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 9:49 AM Fernando Frediani wrote:
> Last time I saw a IP broker representative speaking
> to an audience he said with no shame that it was necessary
> to remove necessity to justify for the resources in order to do a transfers.
Hi Fernando,
Their position is that the
a job I
> liked because despite his good intentions my boss unsuccessfully managed his
> conflict of interest. It placed me in a position where I couldn't properly
> oversee the prime vendor. So I'm sensitive to conflicts of interest.
>
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
>
>
> -
The very existence of PPML is a block and problem for IP brokers to
freely do business due to the restrictions policies developed here
impact their ability to do whatever their wish to fit to their customer
needs.
Last time I saw a IP broker representative speaking to an audience he
said with
On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 9:28 AM Andrew Dul wrote:
> On 10/26/2023 9:20 AM, William Herrin wrote:
> > It plummeted after the Board changed the AC's role from shepherding
> > policy proposals to developing policy proposals.
>
> I realize that might be a distinction with out a difference, but I
>
On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 9:42 AM John Curran wrote:
> > On Oct 26, 2023, at 12:20 PM, William Herrin wrote:
> > It plummeted after the Board changed the AC's role from shepherding
> > policy proposals to developing policy proposals.
>
> There is no material change in the role of the ARIN AC in
> On Oct 26, 2023, at 12:20 PM, William Herrin wrote:
> ...
> It plummeted after the Board changed the AC's role from shepherding
> policy proposals to developing policy proposals.
There is no material change in the role of the ARIN AC in this regard –
although I do agree that the role of the
On 10/26/2023 9:20 AM, William Herrin wrote:
On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 8:27 AM Andrew Dul wrote:
While the PPML is open to any participant we see very few active
collaborators on this list. My perception as someone who has been on
this list for a long time is that the number of active
On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 8:27 AM Andrew Dul wrote:
> While the PPML is open to any participant we see very few active
> collaborators on this list. My perception as someone who has been on
> this list for a long time is that the number of active collaborators has
> decreased over time.
Hi
On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 8:42 AM Adam Thompson wrote:
> I don't agree that an IP broker *inherently* has a problematic
> conflict of interest with ARIN, any more than every ARIN
> member on the AC has some degree of inherent conflict of interest.
Hi Adam,
The IP broker's core business directly
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I can't believe I'm taking this position now, but I guess it's 2023 so here we
are...
I don't agree that an IP broker *inherently* has a problematic conflict of
interest with ARIN, any more than every ARIN member on the AC has some degree
of inherent conflict of interest. Every AC member is
On 10/26/2023 12:42 AM, William Herrin wrote:
Howdy,
As I think about how to vote for the AC candidates, I figured I'd
check the list archives to see how each one went about arguing for and
against proposals over the years. Seems like a reasonable way to
evaluate a candidate judged "well
The concern, as I see it, is not whether or not a candidate has potential
conflicts of interest - you are correct that it would be extremely difficult to
find candidates that do not. The question for me is, can a given candidate be
trusted to properly separate their personal business interests
Hi Bill,
Fair enough, most people interested in this are likely to have some conflicts
and it's important to consider those.
If we unilaterally excluded all candidates with conflicts though, candidate
pickings would be even slimmer.
Regards,
Mike
On Thu,26 Oct 2023 17:22:13 -0400
How many times must I ask you guys to remove me from your mailing lists? I
am not interested in receiving these emails.
C.O Manyaapelo
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 at 16:22, William Herrin wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 6:58 AM Mike Burns wrote:
> > And I agree with Fernando that affiliations or
On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 6:58 AM Mike Burns wrote:
> And I agree with Fernando that affiliations or connections to
> IP brokers would be a point in their favor considering they
> are the people distributing IPv4 addresses these days.
Hi Mike,
Before considering someone affiliated with an address
Hi Bill,
I feel your pain and I think it’s sad that there is not more participation from
these candidates.
And I agree with Fernando that affiliations or connections to IP brokers would
be a point in their favor considering they are the people distributing IPv4
addresses these days.
Makes
Hi Bill
Also check other details that may be concerning for example if any of
them have affiliations or connections to any IP brokers or what kind of
proposals that may put in jeopardy ARIN registered resources.
Fernando
On 26/10/2023 04:42, William Herrin wrote:
Howdy,
As I think about
Howdy,
As I think about how to vote for the AC candidates, I figured I'd
check the list archives to see how each one went about arguing for and
against proposals over the years. Seems like a reasonable way to
evaluate a candidate judged "well qualified," right?
Imagine my surprise. Of the 14
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