Re: [arin-ppml] Are we an ISP or an End-User? Can our designation change at a later time?

2023-01-06 Thread Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML
It’s more a matter of the nature of CMTS systems. Bottom line, there are way more /12s than there are (or can be) Comcast sized ISPs, so I’m really not seeing that need as a problem. Owen > On Jan 6, 2023, at 01:20, John Santos wrote: > > So, if I did the math right, Comcast has about

Re: [arin-ppml] Are we an ISP or an End-User? Can our designation change at a later time?

2023-01-06 Thread John Santos
So, if I did the math right, Comcast has about 70,000,000,000 residential customers? That's ten /48 sites for every person on Earth, and they are ALL Comcast customers? Maybe they shouldn't structure their IPv6 network exactly the same as their IPv4 network? On 1/6/2023 2:25 AM, Owen

Re: [arin-ppml] Are we an ISP or an End-User? Can our designation change at a later time?

2023-01-06 Thread Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML
> On Jan 5, 2023, at 08:45, David Conrad wrote: > > On Jan 4, 2023, at 5:18 PM, William Herrin wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 5:10 PM David Conrad wrote: >>> On Jan 4, 2023, at 2:32 PM, William Herrin wrote: However, since /48 is also the minimum Internet routable size, >>> Sorry,

Re: [arin-ppml] Are we an ISP or an End-User? Can our designation change at a later time?

2023-01-05 Thread Jon Worley
Hello David, Here’s the information you requested. Block Size# Blocks% of Total /20 8 0.09% /22220.25% /2434

Re: [arin-ppml] Are we an ISP or an End-User? Can our designation change at a later time?

2023-01-05 Thread John Curran
> On Jan 5, 2023, at 4:29 AM, Glen A. Pearce wrote: > > On 04/01/2023 1:52 p.m., Fernando Frediani wrote: >> >> Interesting this topic. Generally speaking I always found a bit strange (not >> only in ARIN) to have this distinction between ISP and End-user. In practice >> things should not

Re: [arin-ppml] Are we an ISP or an End-User? Can our designation change at a later time?

2023-01-05 Thread David Conrad
On Jan 4, 2023, at 5:18 PM, William Herrin wrote: > On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 5:10 PM David Conrad wrote: >> On Jan 4, 2023, at 2:32 PM, William Herrin wrote: >>> However, since /48 is also the minimum Internet routable size, >> Sorry, what? Out of 172,457 IPv6 prefixes seen at AMSIX (according

Re: [arin-ppml] Are we an ISP or an End-User? Can our designation change at a later time?

2023-01-05 Thread John Sweeting
David, ARIN will provide the information you requested later today. Thanks Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2023, at 7:12 PM, David Farmer via ARIN-PPML wrote:  On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 4:32 PM William Herrin mailto:b...@herrin.us>> wrote: On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 11:52 AM Fernando Frediani

Re: [arin-ppml] Are we an ISP or an End-User? Can our designation change at a later time?

2023-01-05 Thread Glen A. Pearce
On 04/01/2023 1:52 p.m., Fernando Frediani wrote: Interesting this topic. Generally speaking I always found a bit strange (not only in ARIN) to have this distinction between ISP and End-user. In practice things should not differ much. Only thing that would possible remain slightly different

Re: [arin-ppml] Are we an ISP or an End-User? Can our designation change at a later time?

2023-01-04 Thread David Farmer via ARIN-PPML
On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 4:32 PM William Herrin wrote: > On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 11:52 AM Fernando Frediani > wrote: > > Another thing that I wanted to understand better is the reasoning to > allocate a significant smaller IPv6 block to a said end-user organization > given it is not so scarce

Re: [arin-ppml] Are we an ISP or an End-User? Can our designation change at a later time?

2023-01-04 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 5:10 PM David Conrad wrote: > On Jan 4, 2023, at 2:32 PM, William Herrin wrote: > > However, since /48 is also the minimum Internet routable size, > > Sorry, what? Out of 172,457 IPv6 prefixes seen at AMSIX (according to > routeviews) on 2023-01-01, counts of prefixes

Re: [arin-ppml] Are we an ISP or an End-User? Can our designation change at a later time?

2023-01-04 Thread David Conrad
On Jan 4, 2023, at 2:32 PM, William Herrin wrote: > However, since /48 is also the minimum Internet routable size, Sorry, what? Out of 172,457 IPv6 prefixes seen at AMSIX (according to routeviews) on 2023-01-01, counts of prefixes longer than 48: 49: 53 50: 9 51: 2 52: 41 54: 2 55: 1 56: 334

Re: [arin-ppml] Are we an ISP or an End-User? Can our designation change at a later time?

2023-01-04 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 11:52 AM Fernando Frediani wrote: > Another thing that I wanted to understand better is the reasoning to allocate > a significant smaller IPv6 block to a said end-user organization given it is > not so scarce resource. The standard size assignment to an end user is /48

Re: [arin-ppml] Are we an ISP or an End-User? Can our designation change at a later time?

2023-01-04 Thread Fernando Frediani
Interesting this topic. Generally speaking I always found a bit strange (not only in ARIN) to have this distinction between ISP and End-user. In practice things should not differ much. Only thing that would possible remain slightly different are the details of justifications that must be

Re: [arin-ppml] Are we an ISP or an End-User? Can our designation change at a later time?

2023-01-03 Thread Matthew Petach
Hi Jamie, As someone who faced a similar challenge many years ago, I'll chime in with my thoughts on the matter... On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 11:32 PM Jamie Nelson wrote: > ARIN newbie here. > [...] > > Questions: > 1.) From our reading of the NRPM, it seems like we currently fall > within the

Re: [arin-ppml] Are we an ISP or an End-User? Can our designation change at a later time?

2023-01-03 Thread Lisa Liedel
Hello Jamie, An organization can request IP addresses from ARIN (American Registry for Internet Numbers) if they are an Internet Service Provider (ISP) or a Local Internet Registry (LIR), or if they are an end user organization. ISP/LIRs provide Internet services to other organizations or

[arin-ppml] Are we an ISP or an End-User? Can our designation change at a later time?

2023-01-02 Thread Jamie Nelson
ARIN newbie here. I apologize in advance if these issues have already been covered somewhere. I also apologize if this list isn't the ideal venue for these questions, but I suppose that some of them could point to a need for clarification in the NRPM or elsewhere. My organization is not yet an