Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-10-24 Thread Joe Provo
Thanks everyone for the additional input and text collaboration! I look forward to getting further feedback at the meeting and being able to advance the community consensus. Cheers, Joe On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 02:15:40PM -0500, David Farmer wrote: > I also like this language for the policy

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-10-23 Thread David Farmer
I also like this language for the policy text and inclusion in section 8.2 of the NRPM. However, I still like the idea of adding to the other comments section of this Draft Policy, something like the following; To clarify more broadly, a legal entity present within the ARIN service region, with

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-10-23 Thread John Santos
I prefer this wording to any of the previous proposals. I believe it satisfies the intent of all the previous proposals and I don't have any specific problems with it. I think it covers all the issues and edge cases. On 10/23/2019 01:38 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: Joe, On M, I agree it’s a

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-10-23 Thread Owen DeLong
Joe, On M, I agree it’s a corner case, but there is the possibility of a scenario involving marriage, divorce, adoption, etc. to fall within section 8.2. Not sure it’s a sufficient case to bother addressing. I do like the additional clarity, but agree that we should avoid language that is

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-10-19 Thread Joe Provo
Hey Bill, On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 07:42:20PM -0700, William Herrin wrote: > On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 1:26 PM Joe Provo wrote: > > > > On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 01:19:27PM -0700, William Herrin wrote: > > > Lose "incorporated:" it has a specific legal meaning which excludes a > > > portion of

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-10-18 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 1:26 PM Joe Provo wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 01:19:27PM -0700, William Herrin wrote: > > Lose "incorporated:" it has a specific legal meaning which excludes a > > portion of existing registrants. > > > > Then yeah, it solves my concern about forum shopping. > > >

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-10-18 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 4:26 PM Joe Provo wrote: > On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 01:19:27PM -0700, William Herrin wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 1:06 PM Joe Provo wrote > > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 01:08:36AM -0500, David Farmer wrote: > > > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 8:00 PM Joe Provo > wrote:

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-10-17 Thread Joe Provo
On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 01:19:27PM -0700, William Herrin wrote: > On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 1:06 PM Joe Provo wrote > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 01:08:36AM -0500, David Farmer wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 8:00 PM Joe Provo wrote: > > > > "M activity resulting in the surviving legal entity

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-10-17 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 1:06 PM Joe Provo wrote > On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 01:08:36AM -0500, David Farmer wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 8:00 PM Joe Provo wrote: > > > "M activity resulting in the surviving legal entity which > > > is not incorporated in the ARIN service region will be > > >

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-10-17 Thread Joe Provo
On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 01:08:36AM -0500, David Farmer wrote: > comments inline; > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 8:00 PM Joe Provo wrote: > ... > > > Per this and additional private commentary, I'd suggest we > > keep it simple to speak directly to the matters within the > > section where the

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-10-16 Thread Martin Hannigan
You could use “formed” in the ASRIN region to address that concern. On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 06:21 William Herrin wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 11:50 AM David Farmer wrote: > >> I think additional clarification is necessary, I propose the following >> updated policy statement to clarify

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-10-16 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 11:50 AM David Farmer wrote: > I think additional clarification is necessary, I propose the following > updated policy statement to clarify this issue. > > M activity resulting in the surviving legal entity which is not > incorporated in the ARIN service region will be

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-10-16 Thread David Farmer
comments inline; On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 8:00 PM Joe Provo wrote: ... > Per this and additional private commentary, I'd suggest we > keep it simple to speak directly to the matters within the > section where the change is made (8.2 transfers) and therefore > add the following to section 8.2: >

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-10-15 Thread Joe Provo
On Wed, Oct 09, 2019 at 01:50:17PM -0500, David Farmer wrote: > I think additional clarification is necessary, I propose the following > updated policy statement to clarify this issue. Thanks for the specificity David! > M activity resulting in the surviving legal entity which is not >

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-10-09 Thread David Farmer
I think additional clarification is necessary, I propose the following updated policy statement to clarify this issue. M activity resulting in the surviving legal entity which is not incorporated in the ARIN service region will be permitted to hold number resources *previously *allocated or

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-10-09 Thread Owen DeLong
I believe that in policy clarity is always preferable to ambiguity. As such, I encourage clarification. Owen > On Oct 9, 2019, at 08:58 , Joe Provo wrote: > > > > > Hello again folks, > > After digesting the Staff & Legal Review ( >

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-10-09 Thread Joe Provo
Hello again folks, After digesting the Staff & Legal Review ( https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2019_12/#slr ), an issue was raised at the last AC meeting regarding the clarity of the proposal. The specific concern is that while the policy speaks to the surviving entity's

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-07-17 Thread Brian Jones
+1 Scott's comments. Support — Virginia Tech bjo...@vt.edu On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 5:23 PM Scott Leibrand wrote: > Allowing entities outside the ARIN region to continue holding addresses > originally assigned to an ARIN-region organization to which the > non-ARIN-region entity is a legal

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-07-15 Thread Owen DeLong
+1 Owen > On Jul 15, 2019, at 14:23 , Scott Leibrand wrote: > > Allowing entities outside the ARIN region to continue holding addresses > originally assigned to an ARIN-region organization to which the > non-ARIN-region entity is a legal successor seems reasonable to me, and less > fraught

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-07-15 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Could someone willing to have resources form ARIN, create a company in US, subsidiary of a company in another RIR, justify the need, get the resources, close the US company, and following this policy keep the ARIN resources? I still think that ARIN-2019-10 (Inter-RIR M) makes more sense than

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-07-15 Thread hostmaster
I support. In this case, it makes more sense to let them stay at ARIN. On Mon, 15 Jul 2019, Scott Leibrand wrote: Allowing entities outside the ARIN region to continue holding addresses originally assigned to an ARIN-region organization to which the non-ARIN-region entity is a legal

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-07-15 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 11:02 AM ARIN wrote: > Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion > > M activity sometimes results in a surviving legal entity that is not > in ARIN service region, but may prefer to continue the pre-existing > relationship with ARIN. > > Add the following

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-07-15 Thread Scott Leibrand
Allowing entities outside the ARIN region to continue holding addresses originally assigned to an ARIN-region organization to which the non-ARIN-region entity is a legal successor seems reasonable to me, and less fraught than allowing IPv6 and IPv4 waitlist space to be M transferred to another

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-07-15 Thread Joe Provo
On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 12:52:11PM -0700, Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 5/21/19 11:02 AM, ARIN wrote: > > Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion > > > Also oppose. Seth, Can you expand on your reason for opposition? Cheers, Joe -- Posted from my personal account - see

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-07-15 Thread Joe Provo
Hey folks, Like several other proposals, we seem to have been hit by the summer slump considering the following. There was a single posted objection, and it isn't clear if lack of activity stems from - uninterest - interest in seeing 2019-13 move instead - interest in seeing 2019-4 move

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-05-21 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 5/21/19 11:02 AM, ARIN wrote: Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion Also oppose. ~Seth ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net).

[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-05-21 Thread ARIN
On 16 May 2019, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted "ARIN-prop-272: M Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion" as a Draft Policy. Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12 is below and can be found at: https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2019_12/ You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML.