: ARIN-PPML On Behalf Of Robert Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 4:49 PM
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Cc: arin-ppml
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance
Hi Hayee,
A legitimate ISP leasing their space is of course is legal. In this case I'm
talking abo
Frediani ; arin-ppml
*Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after
issuance
Hello Mike,
Why are you using John's "waiting list IPv4 blocks transferred"
numbers as a baseline for the /19 numbers? This is completely
arbitrary and doesn't give any scale as to t
With ARIN loudly sharing that they're scrutinizing transfers to a higher degree
than ever before, and the DOJ making it clear they will indite IPv4 fraudsters,
leasing is the best path forward for criminals (not that it wasn't already
before). For this reason I think that the transfer
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 3:49 PM Robert Clarke wrote:
> Hi Hayee,
>
> A legitimate ISP leasing their space is of course is legal. In this case
> I'm talking about bad actors who provide false information to ARIN to get
> large block sizes, and then turn around and lease them to third parties. My
policy.
Regards,
Mike
From: Robert Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 4:24 PM
To: Mike Burns
Cc: Fernando Frediani ; arin-ppml
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance
Hello Mike,
Why are you using John's "waiting list IPv4 b
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arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net> On Behalf Of John Curran
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Subject: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance
Importance: High
Fo
er. Perhaps something in between.
>>
>>
>>> I support a /22 restriction for new entrants, a /19 max for current list
>>> members, and maintenance of the 12 month wait for simplicity’s sake.
>> What about discuss /22 for new entrants, /20 for current list members an
cover most
aspects of this discussion.
Regards,
Mike
From: ARIN-PPML On Behalf Of Fernando Frediani
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 8:51 AM
To: arin-ppml@arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance
+1
On 28/05/2019 23:52, Owen DeLong wrote:
Mike,
Y
n less
> desirable, IMO.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> From: ARIN-PPML On Behalf Of Fernando Frediani
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 10:50 AM
> To: arin-ppml@arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance
&
registration.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> From: ARIN-PPML <mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net>> On Behalf Of John Curran
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 1:53 PM
> To: ARIN-PPML List mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net>>
> Subject: [arin-ppml] Waitin
Regards,
Mike
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arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net> On Behalf Of John Curran
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Subject: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks t
l demarcation for maximum block size, but prices do
> continue to rise.
>
> While we want to fight fraud, we should still remember the underlying
> reasons for the Ipv4 transfer market apply to these addresses as well.
>
> That is, the market provides incentives for efficient
of this discussion.
Regards,
Mike
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Frediani
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*To:* arin-ppml@arin.net
*Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after
issuance
+1
On 28/05/2019 23:52, Owen DeLong wrote:
Mike,
Yes
From: ARIN-PPML On Behalf Of Fernando Frediani
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 8:51 AM
To: arin-ppml@arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance
+1
On 28/05/2019 23:52, Owen DeLong wrote:
Mike,
Yes and no. I believe that the lack of legacy
John Curran
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Folks -
It occurred to me that it might be useful to have a quick summary of
waiting list blocks
s well.
That is, the market provides incentives for efficient use and accurate
registration.
Regards,
Mike
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Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 1:53 PM
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Subject: [arin-ppml]
t;> On Behalf Of John Curran
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> Importance: High
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> Folks -
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> It occurred to me that it mi
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Subject: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance
Importance: High
Folks -
It occurred to me that it might be useful to have a quick summary of waiting
list blocks issued and subsequently transferred.
Attached is the distribution
Yeah, if someone is leasing IP addresses means that he (the resource
holder) doesn't have use for them anymore. As such ARIN (or any other
RIR) should recover those addresses then. IP addresses were never made
of thought to be leased in this way as asset that can be leased.
On 28/05/2019
Hi John,
Thanks for sharing. I'd like to note that it can be dangerous to use the blocks
transferred via 8.2/8.3/9.4 as a metric for abuse. A fraudster that gets past
ARIN's scrutiny and obtains IPs with fraudulent information is probably smart
enough to lease their IPs as opposed to selling
On 28 May 2019, at 1:59 PM, Michael B. Williams
mailto:michael.willi...@glexia.com>> wrote:
This is actually very helpful and useful information/ Perhaps any policy
written should only require larger blocks to go back to ARIN. In reality, if
we're putting a /22 or /21 limit on waitlists and
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Subject: [arin-ppml] Waiting List IPv4 blocks transferred after issuance
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Folks -
It oc
Folks -
It occurred to me that it might be useful to have a quick summary of waiting
list blocks issued and subsequently transferred.
Attached is the distribution (count per prefix size) of all blocks that have
been issued via ARIN's waiting list policy and subsequently transferred via
NRPM
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