Re: [arin-ppml] LAST CALL for Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3: Remove 30 day utilization requirement in end-user IPv4 policy

2016-05-12 Thread Owen DeLong
I see the policy itself largely as a no-op. I have no objection for it going to the board, nor do I have any significant support for it to do so. Owen > On May 12, 2016, at 18:53 , David Farmer wrote: > > Jason, > > Even though the last call period formally ended May 9th, I try my best > to c

Re: [arin-ppml] LAST CALL for Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3: Remove 30 day utilization requirement in end-user IPv4 policy

2016-05-12 Thread Owen DeLong
> On May 12, 2016, at 14:34 , Matthew Kaufman wrote: > > > From: "Owen DeLong" mailto:o...@delong.com>> >> Milton, >> >> Despite your continued assertion of this position, no, there are a number of >> us who believe that needs assessment remains valid in the absence of a free >> pool as a

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Re: [arin-ppml] LAST CALL for Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3: Remove 30 day utilization requirement in end-user IPv4 policy

2016-05-12 Thread David Farmer
Jason, Even though the last call period formally ended May 9th, I try my best to consider all feedback received for a policy even following the formal last call deadline, and while I can't speak for directly for other AC members, I believe most of them do the same. However, when feedback comes in

Re: [arin-ppml] LAST CALL for Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3: Remove 30 day utilization requirement in end-user IPv4 policy

2016-05-12 Thread Matthew Kaufman
I support the policy as written. I also agree with staff suggestions to remove additional outdated language, but history suggests that we can only get a few words removed with each policy proposal. I would also support removal of all needs assessment language for the transfer cases. Matthew Ka

Re: [arin-ppml] LAST CALL for Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3: Remove 30 day utilization requirement in end-user IPv4 policy

2016-05-12 Thread David Farmer
Matthew, Steven, Owen, and Milton, Since, ARIN-2015-3 is in last call, it would also be helpful if you could comment more directly on the specific merits of or issues with this policy, and take discussion of other more generic issues to another thread. Furthermore, since you commented on the last

Re: [arin-ppml] LAST CALL for Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3: Remove 30 day utilization requirement in end-user IPv4 policy

2016-05-12 Thread David Huberman
Thank you John. I reiterate my last post. The criterion is obsolete and this recommended draft policy should proceed through PDP. > On May 12, 2016, at 6:37 PM, John Curran wrote: > >> On May 12, 2016, at 5:56 PM, David Huberman wrote: >> >> John, >> >> 1) how many 8.3 transfers have been

Re: [arin-ppml] LAST CALL for Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3: Remove 30 day utilization requirement in end-user IPv4 policy

2016-05-12 Thread John Curran
On May 12, 2016, at 5:56 PM, David Huberman mailto:dav...@panix.com>> wrote: John, 1) how many 8.3 transfers have been approved as of 30 April 2016? Do you mean transfers since IPv4 transfer policy inception, or simply in 2015? (They are all listed here: https://www.arin.net/knowledge/statist

Re: [arin-ppml] LAST CALL for Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3: Remove 30 day utilization requirement in end-user IPv4 policy

2016-05-12 Thread Steven Ryerse
I agree with Matthew & Milton. I’m seeing large legacy holders sell off parts of their blocks small chunks at a time. That is the result of supply and demand and in this case the exhaustion has led to demand from organizations that hold Legacy blocks larger than they need. This is how the mark

Re: [arin-ppml] LAST CALL for Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3: Remove 30 day utilization requirement in end-user IPv4 policy

2016-05-12 Thread David Huberman
John, 1) how many 8.3 transfers have been approved as of 30 April 2016? 2) of those, how many were reviewed and verified with the explicit requirement that 25% of the requested space to be transferred-in would be used immediately? David > On May 12, 2016, at 4:11 PM, John Curran wrote: > >>

Re: [arin-ppml] LAST CALL for Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3: Remove 30 day utilization requirement in end-user IPv4 policy

2016-05-12 Thread John Curran
Folks - Please keep the discussion focused on the merits of the various policy positions, *rather than characterizations of the participants themselves) Thanks, /John On May 12, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Matthew Kaufman mailto:matt...@matthew.at>> wrote: From: "Owen DeLong" mailto:o...@delong

Re: [arin-ppml] LAST CALL for Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3: Remove 30 day utilization requirement in end-user IPv4 policy

2016-05-12 Thread Matthew Kaufman
From: "Owen DeLong" Milton, Despite your continued assertion of this position, no, there are a number of us who believe that needs assessment remains valid in the absence of a free pool as a mechanism to ensure that resources are not going to organizations without need. You and others may

Re: [arin-ppml] LAST CALL for Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3: Remove 30 day utilization requirement in end-user IPv4 policy

2016-05-12 Thread Owen DeLong
Milton, Despite your continued assertion of this position, no, there are a number of us who believe that needs assessment remains valid in the absence of a free pool as a mechanism to ensure that resources are not going to organizations without need. While it is clear you do not perceive this

Re: [arin-ppml] LAST CALL for Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3: Remove 30 day utilization requirement in end-user IPv4 policy

2016-05-12 Thread John Curran
On May 12, 2016, at 4:03 PM, Jason Schiller mailto:jschil...@google.com>> wrote: I am surprised that staff would not apply the 30 day need (albeit extended to 60 day need) for end-sites requesting a transfer. My understanding is that 8.3 references "demonstrating need" "under current policies"

Re: [arin-ppml] LAST CALL for Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3: Remove 30 day utilization requirement in end-user IPv4 policy

2016-05-12 Thread Mueller, Milton L
Jason It seems that the criteria you apply to demonstrated need presumes the existence of a free pool that must be “conserved” through traditional needs assessment methods. It overlooks the fact that going forward, we will be dealing exclusively with transfers. In other words, if companies overe

Re: [arin-ppml] LAST CALL for Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3: Remove 30 day utilization requirement in end-user IPv4 policy

2016-05-12 Thread John Curran
On May 12, 2016, at 4:03 PM, Jason Schiller wrote: > > I am surprised that staff would not apply the 30 day need (albeit extended to > 60 day need) for end-sites requesting a transfer. > > My understanding is that 8.3 references "demonstrating need" "under current > policies" albeit extended t

Re: [arin-ppml] LAST CALL for Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3: Remove 30 day utilization requirement in end-user IPv4 policy

2016-05-12 Thread Jason Schiller
I am surprised that staff would not apply the 30 day need (albeit extended to 60 day need) for end-sites requesting a transfer. My understanding is that 8.3 references "demonstrating need" "under current policies" albeit extended to 24 months (double an ARIN assignment). Current policy 4.3.3 defi

[arin-ppml] NRPM 2016.2 – New Policies Implemented (ARIN-2015-5 and 2015-11)

2016-05-12 Thread ARIN
On 19 April 2016 the ARIN Board of Trustees adopted the following Recommended Draft Policies: ARIN-2015-5: Out-of-Region Use ARIN-2015-11: Remove Transfer Language Which Only Applied Pre-Exhaustion of v4 Pool These new policies will be implemented no later than 31 July 2016. This is in acco