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Re: [Arm-netbook] libre 64-bit risc-v SoC

2017-04-28 Thread ryan




On 04/28/2017 05:56 PM, Bill Kontos wrote:


Out of curiosity has anyone ever attempted to prototype a hardware 
block based on evolution principles? Doing it on an fpga is probably a 
bad idea since we wont be able to implement the results in more copies 
but this could potentially also happen in a software simulation where 
the input and output interfaces of the hardware block are pre defined





I suspect that without having the feature of it being an instruction set 
that only works on that one chip due to it exploiting the quirks of the 
chip, some efficiency would be lost.


I'm imagining a system where traditional silicone grooms many FPGAs, 
each with a dedicated task, and the system is provided with some 
known-good instruction sets that work, but only slowly. So then either 
the OEM or the user sets up their fancy new system, and one of the steps 
is to plug it in and run a setup program for anywhere from a few hours 
to a couple of days which iterates the instructions to improve 
efficiency, then they can begin to use their system.


As for using this method in a software simulation, I wouldn't be 
surprised if some chip manufacturers already do that for certain 
sections of the chip, even if its only during the early design faze. I 
would imagine the software guiding the evolution could be instructed to 
cull anything that isn't working with binary, thus allowing human 
engineers/programmers to more easily reverse engineer the instruction 
set and further edit it.




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Re: [Arm-netbook] First laptop dock for Intel's card announced

2017-01-22 Thread ryan

if I remember correctly, the first EOMA68 cards will be $35 at volume,
and Intel is advertising Skylake and Kabylake CPUs in their Compute
Cards, so its clearly x86. Since they're targeting the mainstream will
inevitably make their cards run Winodws. To make a $35 computer run
desktop windows, you're going to have a bad time. They simply can't push
the 4GB+ of RAM and 64GB+ of storage necessary to run Windows into a $35
card. $50? maybe? probably?

Now, what about the laptop chassis? EOMA68 currently has a $500 chassis
available. I haven't seen any volume pricing or other options for
reducing the price down to a level more managable for a "normie" who's
used to $200-300 throwaway laptops. $500 for an "empty shell" is really
easy for a behomoth like Intel to beat. Heck, they could do a
fully-fledged laptop casing and include a Windows-capable compute card
for less than that because they have more money to play with, and could
even sell at a loss to build marketshare.

So we can easily beat Intel on pricing for the computer cards, but on
the docks? that's where we've got issues. It's hard to convince
"normies" that Intel's ME is a problem, especially if they're already
heavily invested in Windows and x86. For many of the people we're
pitching our platform to, we're not only getting them to switch to
Linux, we're also getting them to switch CPU architectures, and pay more
for the hardware, too.

We're basically telling the "normies" that "yeah, we're better, but you
can't run Windows, you can't run any of the games you currently play,
and you have to pay more" which is really hard to sell.

-R

On 01/22/2017 04:02 PM, Lyberta wrote:

Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton:

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Lauri Kasanen wrote:

Hi,

First laptop dock for Intel's copy:
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/mobile/42685-nexdock-transforms-intel-compute-card-into-14-inch-notebook

oo that looks familiar! :)

If it's reasonably cheaper than EOMA68 variant, then we have a problem.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Intel at CES

2017-01-07 Thread ryan

I'd like to point out that Ars Technica, Gizmodo and Tech Republic also 
reported on Intel's Compute Card with no mention of other similar 
projects...


http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/01/intels-compute-card-is-a-pc-that-can-fit-in-your-wallet/

http://www.techrepublic.com/article/ces-2017-how-the-tiny-intel-compute-card-could-revolutionize-iot-device-management/

http://gizmodo.com/intels-incredibly-tiny-compute-card-could-soon-run-your-1790826525


I was originally going to suggest that maybe Intel independently came up 
with the same idea, but then I saw just how eerily-similar the 
promotional images and pitches were to EOMA68 and now I can tell its 
clearly copying us...



On 01/07/2017 04:12 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:

just got this from a friend:

-

I sent a 'correction' to the BBC about it. Probably wouldn't hurt if
other people pointed out that Intel is not the first to market with
modular computing and that a crowd funded 'open source' project beat
them to it. EOMA68 already  exists and the very first prototype
devices have been produced for desktop and laptop housings. Unlike
Intel's solution this one is completely open for anybody to adopt. The
video got it wrong in saying it won't be seen in desktops/laptops any
time soon given that they very first housing prototypes were a laptop
and desktop.

You can report errors here:

http://www.bbc.com/news/contact-us/editorial


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crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68


On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 6:36 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
 wrote:

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crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68


On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 5:40 AM, Allan Mwenda  wrote:

Pretty hilarious how much of a direct clone that Intel card is. Imitation is
the sincerest flattery I guess?

  in a word... yeah :)

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Re: [Arm-netbook] CE markings

2016-12-01 Thread Ryan

I actually did not have the funds at the time to order, if I order now, 
would that help, or would that fall into another round?



On 12/01/2016 12:32 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:

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crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68


  no that may not be presumed.  i will do my best with the available
budget and will keep people informed.  the quantities that were
pledged for in this round have been barely sufficient to cover their
production and manufacturing costs: i am adapting accordingly and have
begun to outline the strategy in the past couple of updates.

l.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] Block Diagram - ZEOMA - Handheld Games Console

2016-10-15 Thread ryan

Actually, I personally take a hybdrid approach to my libre software. I
focus on the important components being libre, but if some high-level
software isn't, I can live with that as long as I'm not dependent on it.

So with that in mind, I know I would play some emulators on there. Also,
if we just focus the EOMA68 projects on fully-libre usecases, we will
miss out on many mainstream users who are necessary if we want the
standard (or whatever revision its reached by then) to be at all
relevant in 20 years. I like the idea of 100% libre hardware and a 100%
libre software stack, but with easy options for the user to choose to
add non-free components if they wish (like the Debian non-free
repository being only a couple of clicks away)

Thanks

-Ryan

On 10/15/2016 12:52 AM, FaTony wrote:

What kind of games are you planning to run?

Because this is very libre focused project so I assume emulators of
proprietary hardware and proprietary games for that hardware out of the
question.

GaCuest:

Hello everyone.

I suppose many of you know the handheld games console project
based on EOMA68 (the provisional name is ZEOMA).

The website (it is outdated (the images are also outdated), when the
project is more advanced I'll update) (thanks to Peter Bouda) is:
http://www.ubrew.it/

The features of the console are:
- 4.5 inch 480x854 IPS screen.
- Resistive touch panel.
- DPad + A B X Y buttons + R button + L button + 2 Analog triggers
+ 2 Analog Joystick (with push button) + Start + Select + Home
+ Vol +/- + 2 extra buttons.
- 4000 mAh battery.
- Stereo.
- MicroSD slot.
- USB 2.0 Host.
- MicroUSB (for charging).
- STM32F072 for controls.
- AR9271 WIFI.

I have done a small block diagram you can see here:
http://george.the-petries.co.uk/shared-write-access/eoma/Block%20Diagram%20ZEOMA/Block%20Diagram%20Console%202.0.jpg

I have placed the datasheets of the components here:
http://george.the-petries.co.uk/shared-write-access/eoma/Datasheets%20ZEOMA/

I have no prior experience designing schematics and PCB, but I will
try to do my best. If I have any questions, I will ask you.

I will publish all the schematics and PCB under GPLv3+.

If anyone have any suggestions or improvement, I appreciate it.

Thanks to Luke for all his help. Also thanks to Alexander for allowing
us to store the files of the project in his server.

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Re: [Arm-netbook] libre 64-bit risc-v SoC

Re: [Arm-netbook] First laptop dock for Intel's card announced

Re: [Arm-netbook] Intel at CES

Re: [Arm-netbook] CE markings

Re: [Arm-netbook] Block Diagram - ZEOMA - Handheld Games Console

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