Re: [Arm-netbook] New Eoma68 housing idea

2017-02-17 Thread Bill Kontos
You need to copy and paste the entire link, the part that goes on the next line doesn't get recognized as part of the link for some reason. 2017-02-17 15:27 GMT+02:00 Russell Hyer : > This page has disappeared or been moved, do you have the correct (new) URL? > > On 17 February 2017 at 13:23, Hea

Re: [Arm-netbook] New Eoma68 housing idea

2017-02-17 Thread Bill Kontos
. Still, the beauty of EOMA68 is > that we will be able to create new housings if there's a need. But as > to ergonomics, I think a micro laptop lacks a certain something... > > Russ > Spending his 2 cents like he had cashed all his chips in already! > > On 17 February 2

Re: [Arm-netbook] New Eoma68 housing idea

2017-02-17 Thread Bill Kontos
Did you see the amount of money they raised ? They are sitting at over 900k$ out of 200k$ needed originally. There is an insane market for these devices that I totally didn't expect. I know their older product which was more of a retro gaming/console thing with analog controllers was hugely success

Re: [Arm-netbook] New Eoma68 housing idea

2017-02-17 Thread Bill Kontos
cally if such a small form factor wants to be successful it needs to have 3d. 2017-02-17 18:46 GMT+02:00 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton : > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Bill Kontos wrote: > > Did you see the amount of money they raised ? They are sitting at over > 900k$ > &

Re: [Arm-netbook] New Eoma68 housing idea

2017-02-17 Thread Bill Kontos
So from my understanding Nyuzi is for gpgpu while MIAOU is for actual rendering ? What kind of performance is reasonable to expect from this ? Would it reach something like the mali 400 mp2 ? 2017-02-17 19:03 GMT+02:00 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton : > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Bill Kon

Re: [Arm-netbook] New Eoma68 housing idea

2017-02-17 Thread Bill Kontos
The Nyuzi website has a demo that renders 2300 triangles at 50mhz but there isn't any mention about the frames per second so I can't get a triangles per second result. 2017-02-17 19:23 GMT+02:00 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton : > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Bill Kontos wrote: &

Re: [Arm-netbook] New Eoma68 housing idea

2017-02-17 Thread Bill Kontos
Yes it's only one core. The number of cores the final soc will have and how well they can scale is another story of course. 2017-02-18 0:52 GMT+02:00 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton : > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:32 PM, Bill Kontos wrote: > > The Nyuzi website has a demo that renders

Re: [Arm-netbook] Arm processors

2017-03-02 Thread Bill Kontos
Its a huge performance boost compared to the a20. I remember the gpd handheld with the same soc can run emulators with 3d accel up to approx ps2 levels of graphic requirements and even run windows 10 relatively smoothly. The CHIP community has managed to make ps1 games to run only with software acc

Re: [Arm-netbook] systemd and kernel: 3.4, mainline

2017-03-08 Thread Bill Kontos
There is a bug that prevents it from booting on newer kernels. On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 7:02 AM, Lyberta wrote: > OK, guys, so I have a smartphone that I deeply regret buying. I've > installed Debian on it in chroot using Lil' Debi. A week ago I decided > to try to make it useful and trying to upd

Re: [Arm-netbook] AMD considering releasing the PSP

2017-03-12 Thread Bill Kontos
We don't need to have full utilization of PSP, just ignoring it at boot sequence and not running it at all would be just fine. On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5x4hxu/we_are_amd_ > creators_of_athlon_radeon_and_other/det

Re: [Arm-netbook] AMD considering releasing the PSP

2017-03-12 Thread Bill Kontos
h was just the userland part while the opengl implementation was still part of a huge binary blob, but they did get the press coverage they wanted). So don't get your hopes too high on this. On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Bill Kontos wrote: > We don't need to have full utilization of P

Re: [Arm-netbook] AMD considering releasing the PSP

2017-03-12 Thread Bill Kontos
. Going completely free with risc v would be cool but that is years away. On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 8:23 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Bill Kontos wrote: > > > asking for a full unconditional release of everything including releasing > > t

Re: [Arm-netbook] AMD considering releasing the PSP

2017-03-14 Thread Bill Kontos
The problem right now is that pretty much none of the arm SoC manufacturers adds what is needed for supporting a full desktop/ laptop experience, that is more than 4 gb of ram, sata3, general purpose pcie lanes and more memory bandwidth for the igpu. Most of the arm chips right now are stuck at 64

Re: [Arm-netbook] AMD considering releasing the PSP

2017-03-14 Thread Bill Kontos
get to ddr4l On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Bill Kontos wrote: > The problem right now is that pretty much none of the arm SoC manufacturers > adds what is needed for supporting a full desktop/ laptop experience, that > is more than 4 gb of ram, sata3, general purpose pcie lanes and mor

Re: [Arm-netbook] AMD considering releasing the PSP

2017-03-15 Thread Bill Kontos
Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Bill Kontos > wrote: > > Yea it's the chicken and the egg problem. I was thinki

Re: [Arm-netbook] AMD considering releasing the PSP

2017-03-15 Thread Bill Kontos
n < l...@lkcl.net> wrote: > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 9:00 AM, Bill Kontos wrote: > > Yea I guess 2400mhz ddr4l would consume about as much as 1600mhz ddr3l on > > the same number of channe

Re: [Arm-netbook] AMD considering releasing the PSP

2017-03-15 Thread Bill Kontos
arm-netb...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 15, 2017 11:42 AM, "Bill Kontos" wrote: > > How is that going to work and how will end users be able to know that they > can't plug a 5+ watt card on a incompatible housing ? > > In the current standard, any card needing mo

Re: [Arm-netbook] AMD considering releasing the PSP

2017-03-15 Thread Bill Kontos
Oh ok so do you have any draft idea what kind of housing the eoma 68 standard will utilize ? On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 6:18

Re: [Arm-netbook] AMD considering releasing the PSP

2017-03-15 Thread Bill Kontos
Yea that's what I meant, sorry my bad. My question is, what physical form factor will the EOMA 200 cards have( that is, what will "house" the electronics) ? On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 7:45 PM, Bill Kontos w

Re: [Arm-netbook] Logos

2017-03-18 Thread Bill Kontos
The second one look pretty nice. It gives me some more ideas too. I think it could use some symmetries, maybe on a circle. Time to revitalize my GIMP skills. I'll try to make something too. Besides logos are fun. On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Peter Carlson wrote: > I vote the second as well.

Re: [Arm-netbook] About, the rk processor.

2017-04-18 Thread Bill Kontos
Intel is on about the same ballpark as the big arm tablet chips but they can't shrink it any further. They got this low simply from node shrinks, but at this point making a new core design only for the tablet market would require very high sale volumes. And they failed to infiltrate the tablet mark

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

2017-04-22 Thread Bill Kontos
This discussion is of limited usefulness when it comes to system76 making laptop or desktop housings, because their laptops are not developed in-house, the cases, keyboards, trackpads and screens are outsourced from Clevo. If you want libre cards from them there is absolutely no way to convince the

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

2017-04-23 Thread Bill Kontos
ctually buy a skylake laptop that has the ME neutralized. Maybe if they did not attempt a 'half-assed" effort first they would never get to that point. On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 5:32 PM, Lyberta wrote: > Bill Kontos: > > I'm tired of all the purists that will bash every

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

2017-04-24 Thread Bill Kontos
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 6:25 AM, Lyberta wrote: > Bill Kontos: > > No, don't worry. I don't call names on anyone. As RMS said, I'm not glad > > that he died, but I'm glad that he's gone. I believe in the value of > human > > life above all else.

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

2017-04-24 Thread Bill Kontos
It's one of the reasons this list is so interesting. My search for libre hardware lead me to eoma which led me to this list. I came for libre hardware I stayed for libre hardware and philosophy :) On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:40 AM, John Luke Gibson wrote: > On 4/24/17, John Luke Gibson wrote: >

Re: [Arm-netbook] Totally derailed topic

2017-04-24 Thread Bill Kontos
Yea, unfortunately antipsychotic drugs are not good enough yet. Still the projected danger of not taking them and committing suicide or go on a killing spree over taking them and not committing suicide but live a lower quality life is higher. On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Le

Re: [Arm-netbook] System 76 - Entering Phase 3

2017-04-25 Thread Bill Kontos
Well, you are not getting a quad core tho On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 5:12 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Allan Mwenda > wrote: > > I'd personally fund Thinkpenguin way before System76, just because they > > don't use NVIDIA, but i noticed the new Galago

Re: [Arm-netbook] Totally derailed topic

2017-04-25 Thread Bill Kontos
That anime sounds intriguing I will check it out. On Apr 25, 2017 1:54 PM, "John Luke Gibson" wrote: > On 4/25/17, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 9:21 AM, John Luke Gibson > > wrote: > > > >> Well the problem with that truism unfortunately is that in this > >> s

Re: [Arm-netbook] SoC warp soldering risk?

2017-04-28 Thread Bill Kontos
The octa core SoCs available right now are rather terrible when it comes to heat and power management( like the kirn 960) and we are rather limited by the fact that everything has to run on libre software On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Allan Mwenda wrote: > I'd say get EOMA68 cards to be fast

Re: [Arm-netbook] SoC warp soldering risk?

2017-04-28 Thread Bill Kontos
chmark once and show the result but do not test overheating. Totally not suitable for eoma, no matter how much of a sucker for high performance I am. On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Bill Kontos > wrote: > > The oct

Re: [Arm-netbook] libre 64-bit risc-v SoC

2017-04-28 Thread Bill Kontos
This is the most interesting article I've read in a long time. Like machine learning but on an fpga... and analog!!! Comes to prove my hunch that the binary approach to computing is not the most optimal one. Analog might be hard but with enough investment it can give better results in the long run.

Re: [Arm-netbook] libre 64-bit risc-v SoC

2017-04-28 Thread Bill Kontos
On self driving cars atm the driver is required to sit on the driver's position ready to engage the controls. The moment the driver touches the gas pedal the car is under his control. So the system is designed in such a way that the driver is actually in control. In the only accident so far in the

Re: [Arm-netbook] libre 64-bit risc-v SoC

2017-04-28 Thread Bill Kontos
Out of curiosity has anyone ever attempted to prototype a hardware block based on evolution principles? Doing it on an fpga is probably a bad idea since we wont be able to implement the results in more copies but this could potentially also happen in a software simulation where the input and output

Re: [Arm-netbook] The open risc v idea is good

2017-05-03 Thread Bill Kontos
http://rockchip.wikidot.com/rk3399 According to this the rk3399 has support on everything. Does that mean that it does not have any gpl violations or blobs required ? On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 8:01 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.cro

Re: [Arm-netbook] The open risc v idea is good

2017-05-03 Thread Bill Kontos
There is currently a cartel going on on ram ICs. Once the chinese offered the last american ram producing company( I forget it's name) to move its production to China, ram pricing started climbing, the company is healthy again and we are still seeing price hikes, so China is for once investing in h

Re: [Arm-netbook] Side-Topic: Liberating PocketCHIP

2017-05-04 Thread Bill Kontos
Why is there an intel blob on the chip. I didn't know there was intel ip in there. On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 10:04 AM, John Luke Gibson wrote: > Since it seems like a trivially simple task that for some reason no > one has taken up, I would like to take the opportunity to exercise a > learning expe

Re: [Arm-netbook] More Libre Hardware Getting Funded

2017-05-05 Thread Bill Kontos
This is cool but a shame that they didnt contact Luke for using something like the a20 or wait for the rk3388 so we could have more money leverage on the soc and common ICs or even turn this into an eoma housing. On May 5, 2017 8:54 AM, "Allan Mwenda" wrote: > https://www.crowdsupply.com/gnubee/p

Re: [Arm-netbook] More Libre Hardware Getting Funded

2017-05-05 Thread Bill Kontos
Ok I stand corrected them. So this basically means we are not going to see any NAS products from an eoma standard ? On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 10:23 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> But for a "dedicated" NAS box that can hold up to 6 disks, an A20 would > >> be a rather odd choice. > > its SATA inter

Re: [Arm-netbook] firefly 3399 all source software disclosed?

2017-05-07 Thread Bill Kontos
The A72 is supposed to be as fast as a Core M Broadwell core at 2.5 ghz( assuming that the A72 maintains clockspeed while the Core M throttles, which is the case in most fanless laptops). The rk3399 is clocked at 2.0 ghz on the A72 cluster so it's slower but it has the benefit of the neon SIMD exte

Re: [Arm-netbook] Totally derailed topic

2017-05-08 Thread Bill Kontos
I chuckled when reading your message doark. This is pretty much the story of my life and my greatest fear, that is my mind degrading for whatever reason and become unable to understand or interact with the world intelligently ans have no way to defend myself against this degration. Im in my 20s and

Re: [Arm-netbook] firefly 3399 all source software disclosed?

2017-05-08 Thread Bill Kontos
I think arm has open source kernel drivers but there is no way they will get mainlined any time soon. The question is, how much does the userland blob do and how much work needs to be done to get libre 2d accel. On May 8, 2017 7:47 AM, "Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton" wrote: > --- > crowd-funded ec

Re: [Arm-netbook] Side-Topic: Liberating PocketCHIP

2017-05-08 Thread Bill Kontos
Verhaegen is one of those selected individuals who had the luxury of getting all the shit of the world thrown at their face for trying to do the right thing. He was one of the leaders in pushing amd into mainlining gpu drivers( which they have been successful to and keep working on) and got shit f

Re: [Arm-netbook] firefly 3399 all source software disclosed?

2017-05-08 Thread Bill Kontos
Yes, here they are https://developer.arm.com/products/software/mali-drivers/midgard-kernel On May 8, 2017 12:02 PM, "Bill Kontos" wrote: > I think arm has open source kernel drivers but there is no way they will > get mainlined any time soon. The question is, how much does the

Re: [Arm-netbook] firefly 3399 all source software disclosed?

2017-05-08 Thread Bill Kontos
multimedia decoding engine from the a20 ? On May 8, 2017 12:13 PM, "Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton" wrote: > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Bill Kontos wrote: > > I think arm has open sou

Re: [Arm-netbook] firefly 3399 all source software disclosed?

2017-05-08 Thread Bill Kontos
;t be surprised if they actually saw this coming and reacted before it happened. On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:54 PM, mike.v...@gmail.com wrote: > > > 2017-05-08 11:02 GMT+02:00 Bill Kontos : > >> I think arm has open source kernel drivers but there is no way they will >> get

Re: [Arm-netbook] I saw your recent update, Luke

2017-05-09 Thread Bill Kontos
Something that crossed my mind, does the lack of flash mean we can now update to kernels newer than 3.x ? On Apr 16, 2017 12:19 PM, "zap" wrote: > Just one question, > > I am assuming since there will be internal sd cards that your replacing > one or both of the internal usbs? > > or am I wrong?

Re: [Arm-netbook] Totally derailed topic

2017-05-09 Thread Bill Kontos
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:45 AM, Lyberta wrote: > do...@mail.com: > > > Another thing that bugs me is, since I don't believe in anything, I also > don't believe in science. I can't predict what's gonna happen in the > next moment. Every once in a while I get in this state of mind where I > unders

Re: [Arm-netbook] Totally derailed topic

2017-05-09 Thread Bill Kontos
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Bill Kontos wrote: > > > Nobody "believes" in science. > > sadly, they do. they're usually the ones who tell you that the > climate's absolutely

Re: [Arm-netbook] I saw your recent update, Luke

2017-05-09 Thread Bill Kontos
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 2:31 PM, mike.v...@gmail.com wrote: > > > 2017-05-09 12:55 GMT+02:00 zap : > >> >> >> On 05/09/2017 04:32 AM, Bill Kontos wrote: >> >> Something that crossed my mind, does the lack of flash mean we can now >> update to kernel

Re: [Arm-netbook] I saw your recent update, Luke

2017-05-09 Thread Bill Kontos
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 8:34 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 6:03 PM, Bill Kontos wrote: > > > Indeed. I'm from the slack generation, > > ah so you've read their terms and conditions, then? and seen these > news articles: &

Re: [Arm-netbook] Totally derailed topic

2017-05-10 Thread Bill Kontos
On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 3:14 AM, John Luke Gibson wrote: > > > The mountains of religious thought pumped into this thread has it > visibly oozing (I mean no offense). Firstly, the speaker in that video > linked @zap I'm familiar with and is very unreliable when their claims > are checked or resea

Re: [Arm-netbook] Totally derailed topic

2017-05-10 Thread Bill Kontos
On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 7:46 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > > now that i think about it, i believe i heard of something about 20 > years ago called the humanist society (or something like that). > apparently they live their lives according to a really quite [humane] > wonderful "cod

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

2017-05-22 Thread Bill Kontos
On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 1:06 AM, wrote: > > > > I do not know if 3 people are interested or if they can agree on one > board. > You cannot get the mali source code faster, if you put more people on it? > Look at what happened to Luc Verhaegen. Arm has destroyed his life. The company is hard

Re: [Arm-netbook] Building your own keyboard

2017-05-27 Thread Bill Kontos
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Christopher Havel wrote: > I'm not familiar with percentages being used to describe keyboards. Can you > explain? > 100%= full 104 keyboard TenKeyLess(TKL)= the full 104 without the numpad 60%= TKL without the modifiers on the right side and the arrow keys. Modif

Re: [Arm-netbook] $150 taobao knock-off 3d printer doing 200mm/sec

2017-05-28 Thread Bill Kontos
On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 5:49 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:25 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton > wrote: > > https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/6de5sv/ > looking_for_ways_to_maximise_the_mm_sec_metric/ > > > > ok so i asked on reddit, let's see if a

Re: [Arm-netbook] $150 taobao knock-off 3d printer doing 200mm/sec

2017-05-28 Thread Bill Kontos
On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > > i would have if i'd known! reddit appears to be very cl :) > and i love the mythbusters episode, especially. > Reddit is everything:

Re: [Arm-netbook] Fwd: [trinity-devel] TDE Fundraiser

2017-06-06 Thread Bill Kontos
On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 12:22 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > please do distribute to interested parties / lists, TDE (aka KDE 3.5) > is strategically quite important as it's one of the remaining > comprehensive desktop environments that is also light-weight and > relevant. > > l. I do

Re: [Arm-netbook] Fwd: [trinity-devel] TDE Fundraiser

2017-06-07 Thread Bill Kontos
On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Christopher Havel wrote: > > Luke: your thoughts, if any, on that new Budgie desktop environment? I > tried it, it's not very configurable (yet?) and it doesn't work with the > USB touchpad mouse on my homemade laptop (well, OK, it does on the lock > screen but not

Re: [Arm-netbook] bunnie about riscv

2017-06-12 Thread Bill Kontos
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 3:26 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > > this is why both the chinese and the russian governments now design > and make their own CPUs. in the case of china that's FROM SCRATCH. > and using only trusted foundries. > > l. > > I got a question: Assuming we got a

Re: [Arm-netbook] DIY laptop part 1: screen

2017-06-12 Thread Bill Kontos
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:29 AM, David Niklas wrote: > > > If anyone has suggestions please point me in the right direction. > > Thanks, > David > > Could you potentially take a screen from an existing laptop and use that ? It's all 16:9 these days so I'm not sure what you mean with the 17 in wid

Re: [Arm-netbook] Fwd: [trinity-devel] TDE Fundraiser

2017-06-13 Thread Bill Kontos
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 4:55 AM, Neil Jansen wrote: > Many tiling window managers (http://lmgtfy.com/?t=i&q=i3-gaps) do exactly > that. They build directly on top of xlib or xcb, and they're freaking > awesome. I'm REALLY surprised that nobody has mentioned any of the popular I use i3. Tilling

Re: [Arm-netbook] Fwd: [trinity-devel] TDE Fundraiser

2017-06-14 Thread Bill Kontos
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Neil Jansen wrote: >To lkcl's original quote "[TDE] is strategically quite important as > it's one of the remaining comprehensive desktop environments that is also > light-weight and relevant.", i3 and xmonad are more lightweight, and are > more relevant to the sor

Re: [Arm-netbook] Fwd: [trinity-devel] TDE Fundraiser

2017-06-15 Thread Bill Kontos
On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > If I understand correctly, tiling window managers don't put windows on > top of one another. On my laptop that would mean I have crazily small > windows. > > -- hendrik i3 will open a window full screen, then depending on if you tell it to

Re: [Arm-netbook] Fwd: [trinity-devel] TDE Fundraiser

2017-06-17 Thread Bill Kontos
> Isn't that what will happen with X as soon as people get fanatical about > wayland like they have done with systemd? > > Thanks, > David > Nobody is getting fanatical over wayland. Wayland solves real problems with a rather small disturbance( drivers are almost the same, only applications are af

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

2017-06-18 Thread Bill Kontos
> if we proceed to reverse-engineer MALI, logically it results in > people buying more ARM products. > > if people buy more ARM products, logically it results in more money > (resources) going to support ARM's illegal and unethical actions. > > any action which is taken that results in support o

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

2017-06-18 Thread Bill Kontos
> > has NVIDIA engaged in similar illegal or unethical practices to that > which ARM carried out against luc verhaegen, which we know were and > are sanctioned by the CTO of ARM? Sorry I chopped it off to keep the conclusion only. Nvidia switched to requiring signed binary firmware with a blown f

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

2017-06-23 Thread Bill Kontos
On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 4:27 PM, David Niklas wrote: > Now can we get back to how to do the reverse engineering itself? Someone should suggest Luc to open a monthly patreon-styled donation page for working on lima. ___ arm-netbook mailing list arm-net

Re: [Arm-netbook] mali gpu reverse engineering lkcl may ignore

2017-06-23 Thread Bill Kontos
On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:48 PM, Mike Leimon wrote: > Honestly, I think that working together with people who are openly > developing a GPU design and who would probably be quite welcoming > of assistance from Luc would be a much better situation for him than if > he went back to trying to work

Re: [Arm-netbook] I apologize for not knowing this sooner,

2017-06-25 Thread Bill Kontos
On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 2:41 AM, Christopher Havel wrote: > I cannot comprehend the necessity of having two hundred twenty browser tabs > open, sum total... I rarely have need for one tenth of that. I'm using 29 tabs right now after cleaning a couple. Libre Office and Rhythmbox open too. 4.3 out

Re: [Arm-netbook] severe systemd bugs (two of them)

2017-07-03 Thread Bill Kontos
On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > for anyone who still believes that systemd is okay to use and deploy, > and that there exist "great advantages that outweigh the risks", are > you *finally* getting the message now? Because the only distro that uses systemd-

Re: [Arm-netbook] severe systemd bugs (two of them)

2017-07-03 Thread Bill Kontos
On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > even with that in mind i see no down-side to the additional workload > that you refer to when you consider the upside that diversity brings. > no monoculture, no centralised control, and a need for people managing > *differen

Re: [Arm-netbook] systemd nonsense ad-infinitum

2017-07-04 Thread Bill Kontos
On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:28 PM, zap wrote: > Sorry but I have to challenge you on this, it isn't right for systemd to > be the only init that can be used on debian by default. This doesn't make any sense. The default is what it is, a single option from a set of options that is the default one. Th

Re: [Arm-netbook] systemd nonsense ad-infinitum

2017-07-04 Thread Bill Kontos
On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 8:29 PM, Christopher Havel wrote: > > So, Mr Kontos *et al.*, what would you have me maintain, other than my > distance from any mission-critical chunk of code...? ;) I'm in the same boat as you. Money. Something that you want to happen isn't happening, ask around gouge i

[Arm-netbook] Potential new mali driver

2017-07-07 Thread Bill Kontos
I just spotted this https://people.freedesktop.org/~cbrill/dri-log/?channel=lima&date=2017-06-23 It seems like there is a new person working on a driver for mali hardware, specifically the mali-400, and apparently it is an amd employee. ___ arm-netboo

Re: [Arm-netbook] Cell phone question

2017-07-24 Thread Bill Kontos
On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Joseph Lira wrote: > i can keep updating and patching until its truelly obsolete and all will > still >respecting my privacy, does such a phone exist? > No. Mobile networks require closed-source firmware by law and gps requires proprietary software too. Personall

Re: [Arm-netbook] Cell phone question

2017-07-24 Thread Bill Kontos
On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 7:27 PM, Isaac David wrote: > afaik not only then, but whenever network radio is turned > on and transmitting; which for existing mobile protocols > sadly means all the time. Yep. Essentially if you are going to use a phone you will have to do that tradeoff.

[Arm-netbook] Broadcom BCM2837 100% libre now ?

2017-07-31 Thread Bill Kontos
Open firmware seems to be available here for a minimal boot. I have no idea if this is reverse engineered or provided by Broadcom, it seems like broadcom has at least released all the headers under some bsd-like license. The firmware here is gplv2+. https://github.com/christinaa/rpi-open-firmware

[Arm-netbook] Injection Molding Cost

2017-08-04 Thread Bill Kontos
Hi, I remember luke mentioning in the past that injection molding would be too expensive for such a low-volume project. However I found this project from crowd supply that is using molds for production on a total of ~3800 pledges https://www.crowdsupply.com/ugl/ultimate-hacking-keyboard/updates/21

Re: [Arm-netbook] frickin funny

2017-08-15 Thread Bill Kontos
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/78w8jy/pcmcia-once-defined-portable-computing-now-its-a-cable-industry-oddity A year or 2 back I was reading Cory Doctorow's Little Brother and I was wondering "what happened to the upgradable personal electronics he

Re: [Arm-netbook] ppcnotebook

2017-09-13 Thread Bill Kontos
On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 5:21 PM, mike.v...@gmail.com wrote: > > Small defects hinder speed. Thus sell them with a lower speed rating. > That's why overclocking yields different results for different cpu's > the CPU's are sold batched on the lowest common. > > With bigger defects they can overcome

Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: Librem 5?

2017-09-25 Thread Bill Kontos
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > but seriously: ethical decision-making is an on-off thing. it's > either black - you made an ethical decision - or it's white - you made > an UNethical decision. you chose CONVENIENCE over making a stand, and > saying "no

Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: Librem 5?

2017-09-25 Thread Bill Kontos
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Isaac David wrote: > Bill Kontos wrote : >> >> Purists that will tell you to just not use a phone because >> we are required by regulations to run those few kb of closed rom code >> have no place in this discussion honestly because t

Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: Librem 5?

2017-09-25 Thread Bill Kontos
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Isaac David wrote: > as a cellphone non-user and die-hard libre software acolyte, i don't > see the Purism people as enemies. they only need to reword their > marketing to be a bit less disingenuous. they speak the language of > the purists; this is how we know th

Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: Librem 5?

2017-09-26 Thread Bill Kontos
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Lauri Kasanen wrote: > You make a decent argument, however all the issues were pointed out to > them during the laptop campaigns again and again, and they did not > learn; they repeated them with this phone. That's willfull ignorance if > not outright malevolence.

Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: Librem 5?

2017-09-26 Thread Bill Kontos
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > they made it look like, because everything else was libre, there was > really absolutely no harm done by having the ME firmware, you really > had nothing to be concerned about, you could buy one of their machines > and have a

Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: Librem 5?

2017-09-27 Thread Bill Kontos
On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 10:10 AM, J.B. Nicholson wrote: > > > Quite; does this disable function fully and completely disable all attempts > at using any ME functionality such that nothing can re-enable the ME, or is > this disablement somehow impermanent or more limited in some way? > AFAIK the

Re: [Arm-netbook] Communication improvements (Update Oct 10th)

2017-11-11 Thread Bill Kontos
On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 2:22 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > Hi vincent joshuas changed date. Am in sz at maker faire phone typing 1 > finger thank you for your thoughts really appreciated , hdmi review needs > to complete hope all is well with richard and family > Did you really manage

[Arm-netbook] New Risc-V fully free chip

2017-11-17 Thread Bill Kontos
Just noticed this: https://bitbucket.org/casl/shakti_public/ Probably worth keeping it in mind for the next couple years. ___ arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook Send large atta

Re: [Arm-netbook] New Risc-V fully free chip

2017-11-19 Thread Bill Kontos
On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 5:44 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > yeh the same team that was mentioned last week. suggestions on how > to contact them appreciated. From that link: IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN A EARLY ACCESS TO THE C-CLASS (64-BIT) PLEASE MAIL US AT: Madhusudan : gs dot madhu

Re: [Arm-netbook] New Risc-V fully free chip

2017-11-21 Thread Bill Kontos
On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 5:38 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > it's the "mobile" class. get this: in 28nm they're looking at 600mW > power consumption for the m-class :) > 600mW sound like an aweful little for desktop use. I can't fathom javascript loading speeds in such a package. For

Re: [Arm-netbook] New Risc-V fully free chip

2017-11-21 Thread Bill Kontos
On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > RISC-V is *significantly* less power-hungry, performance/watt. also, > those 3 watts will include a Monster GPU, which will be being used for

Re: [Arm-netbook] New Risc-V fully free chip

2017-11-21 Thread Bill Kontos
On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > the initial plan is to use the main processor with some basic SIMD > vector-processing instructions, which in quad-core would be more than > adequate. > > bear in mind this is - preliminarily - to be around a USD $3 SoC wit

Re: [Arm-netbook] New Risc-V fully free chip

2017-11-21 Thread Bill Kontos
On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/f6d5/e754da444b7ede6e4eeaf0d61e8cbb82ade9.pdf > > https://arxiv.org/abs/1607.02318 > > so, the compression and something called macro-op fusion results in a > significant reduction in code size

Re: [Arm-netbook] Top Priority Software Tasks

2017-11-28 Thread Bill Kontos
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 3:11 AM, Adam Van Ymeren wrote: > Hey Luke, > I've started looking at http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/source_code/ > for inspiration. > > But I'd like to know which tasks are a priority for you to deliver the > current crowd supply pledges. I think finding out wh

Re: [Arm-netbook] Top Priority Software Tasks

2017-11-28 Thread Bill Kontos
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > remember: with the sunxi 3.4.104 kernel *xserver fb turbo works*. > libcedrus *works*. acceleration of video decoding and display *works* > in f

[Arm-netbook] New 3d printing technique

2017-12-06 Thread Bill Kontos
I don't know how far in your 3d printer design you are Luke, or even if something like this is useful/feasible( it's a completely different extruder and servos), but I'm leaving it here for future reference. http://news.mit.edu/2017/new-3-d-printer-10-times-faster-commercial-counterparts-1129 The

Re: [Arm-netbook] Libre RISC-V RV64GC SoC

2017-12-28 Thread Bill Kontos
On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > so, ahh i would say it's christmas come early but it really *is* christmas :) > unlike many people to whom i've pitched the idea of an entirely libre > SoC, madhu instead responded, "ok sure, what would you like?". > initiall

Re: [Arm-netbook] open risc v question:

2017-12-28 Thread Bill Kontos
On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 12:33 AM, zap wrote: > Are the shakti processors arm based for the architecture or some new > architecture or a different one. They are risc-v based ___ arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk http://lists.phcomp

Re: [Arm-netbook] EOMA68 / Libre RISC-V team financing

2017-12-28 Thread Bill Kontos
On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > ok so the past couple of updates i sent out i mentioned that there's > no longer sufficient funds in the current campaign to further pay > accommodation or any other living expenses. thus it is *really > important* that i fin

Re: [Arm-netbook] RK3399

2018-01-18 Thread Bill Kontos
On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 6:58 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > no. > > it is a vast amount of work. the LCD has to be researched (if its > datasheet is even available). a conversion circuit has to be designed > and manufactuered and before that it is necesssary to work out if > th

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