Re: Median Voter and Sampling

2002-08-29 Thread AdmrlLocke
In a message dated 8/28/02 11:18:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Another MVT deviation: Personal bankrupcy law. I bet most voters would prefer more lenient laws. Fabio >> Ironically, Todd J. Zywicki is presenting a paper at GMU Friday in which he argues that people make less use of th

Re: Median Voter and Sampling

2002-08-28 Thread AdmrlLocke
In a message dated 8/28/02 3:35:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Uh, how about the first income tax ever passed? It had super-majority support in amendment form! >> Congress passed the first federal income tax in 1861, without supermajority support. If you'd asked the average Northern vot

Re: Median Voter and Sampling

2002-08-28 Thread Bryan D Caplan
fabio guillermo rojas wrote: > > Another MVT deviation: > > Personal bankrupcy law. I bet most voters would prefer more lenient > laws. They are already very lenient. There has been a lot of populist resistance to creditors' tentative efforts to lobby to mildly tighten them. --

Re: Median Voter and Sampling

2002-08-28 Thread Bryan D Caplan
fabio guillermo rojas wrote: > > Another MVT deviation: > > Marijuana decriminalization The failure to decriminalize? 75-80% against according to Gallup. And it hasn't really happened anywhere in the U.S. as far as I know, the medical marijuana loophole aside. Which is incidentally a popular

Re: Median Voter and Sampling

2002-08-28 Thread fabio guillermo rojas
Another MVT deviation: Personal bankrupcy law. I bet most voters would prefer more lenient laws. Fabio

Re: Median Voter and Sampling

2002-08-28 Thread AdmrlLocke
In a message dated 8/28/02 2:02:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Sure, there is a little of this. But again, I doubt this matters much. The Supreme Court held off New Deal legislation a little bit for a couple of years, but after 4 years it caved in completely. >> This must be one of the m

Re: Median Voter and Sampling

2002-08-28 Thread fabio guillermo rojas
Another MVT deviation: Marijuana decriminalization Fabio

Re: Median Voter and Sampling

2002-08-28 Thread Bryan Caplan
fabio guillermo rojas wrote: > Ok, how about the 94 congressional election? Seems that voter > preferences shifted little or not at all, but a bunch of > conservatives got voted into office. Of course, they moderated > after they got in, so maybe knee jerk MVT wins again but only > in the long ru

Re: Median Voter and Sampling

2002-08-28 Thread fabio guillermo rojas
> Elasticity and stickiness are different concepts. But in any case, > there is little evidence that policy preferences shift rapidly. When Ok, how about the 94 congressional election? Seems that voter preferences shifted little or not at all, but a bunch of conservatives got voted into offic

Re: Median Voter and Sampling

2002-08-28 Thread Bryan Caplan
Bryan Caplan wrote: > Elasticity and stickiness are different concepts. I should have said "*Low* elasticity and stickiness are different concepts." -- Prof. Bryan Caplan Department of Economics George Mason University http://www.bca

Re: Median Voter and Sampling

2002-08-28 Thread Fred Foldvary
> there's > nothing "rational" about being ignorant towards a political system that > benefit others at the expence of oneself (or indeed benefit noone at > the expense of everyone). It is rational to avoid doing something when the material cost to oneself is greater than the material benefit,

Re: Median Voter and Sampling

2002-08-28 Thread Bryan Caplan
fabio guillermo rojas wrote: > I think that applications of MVT are very, very sloppy. Four > criticisms: > > 1. You seem to assume that policy responds quite well to public > opinion. You assume that if opinion shifts, policy will quickly follow. > I believe that policy is very "sticky" with re

Re: Median Voter and Sampling

2002-08-28 Thread fabio guillermo rojas
> But I do have a naive question: Is there a median > voter for each issue, so that if there n issues, there > can be up to n median voters? Or, is there only one > median voter who satisfies the vector median as I > described above? Can such a person be proven to > exist, sort of like a voter

Re: Median Voter and Sampling

2002-08-27 Thread john hull
--- fabio guillermo rojas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "4. Cognitive limitations: I'm no expert, but my hunch is that many people are only willing to get worked up over a small # of issues - taxes, abortion, immigration, defense... and the dedicated might add their favorites like gun control or affi

RE: Median Voter and Sampling

2002-08-27 Thread Brian Moore
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of fabio guillermo rojas Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 9:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Median Voter and Sampling > So what are you getting at? Since there is a series of elections, each > wi

Re: Median Voter and Sampling

2002-08-27 Thread Jacob W Braestrup
> > I may be mistaken here, but don't public choice economists talk about the > concept of "rational ignorance" to explain how small, concentrated groups can > gain large focused benefits while spreading the costs in tiny pieces across > the broader population? They do - but it doesn't

Re: Median Voter and Sampling

2002-08-26 Thread AdmrlLocke
In a message dated 8/27/02 12:19:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << 4. Cognitive limitations: I'm no expert, but my hunch is that many people are only willing to get worked up over a small # of issues - taxes, abortion, immigration, defense... and the dedicated might add their favorites like g

Re: Median Voter and Sampling

2002-08-26 Thread fabio guillermo rojas
> So what are you getting at? Since there is a series of elections, each > with a different median voter, the MVT doesn't actually predict that the > median general voter gets his way? Or what? > Prof. Bryan Caplan I think that applications of MVT are ver

Re: Median Voter and Sampling

2002-08-26 Thread AdmrlLocke
In a message dated 8/26/02 6:33:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << There are several levels of puzzlement. Puzzle #1: The median voter disapproves of existing policy. Puzzle #2: The median voter, primary voters, and party activists ALL disapprove of existing policy. I don't think there are ma

Re: Median Voter and Sampling

2002-08-26 Thread Bryan Caplan
fabio guillermo rojas wrote: > > > Any decent treatment of the MV states that it is the median *actual* > > voter who matters, not the median *potential* voter. It's the Median > > VOTER theorem, not the Median CITIZEN theorem, or the Median SENTIENT > > BEING theorem. > > I still think this is

Re: Median Voter and Sampling

2002-08-26 Thread fabio guillermo rojas
> Any decent treatment of the MV states that it is the median *actual* > voter who matters, not the median *potential* voter. It's the Median > VOTER theorem, not the Median CITIZEN theorem, or the Median SENTIENT > BEING theorem. I still think this is true but still misleading. Consider how Am

Re: Median Voter and Sampling

2002-08-26 Thread Bryan Caplan
fabio guillermo rojas wrote: > > Let me elaborate some more. I think the MVT encourages us to think > that democracy works by taking a random sample of voters and making > policy the average response. If that were the case, democracy would > clearly give us what the median voter wants. > > Howev

Re: Median Voter and Sampling

2002-08-24 Thread john hull
--- fabio guillermo rojas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "There are other sources of non-median-voterness in policy" Like the Supreme Court? Brown v. Board of Education might be a good example. Of course it's not a legislative body, so I'm out on a limb here. Maybe there's also a cultural bias