Re: [Assam] Oxom Xaagor

2012-11-03 Thread Chan Mahanta
Glad you caught on to the main idea A.  

See I am not nearly as radical as people like to paint me as . I do believe in 
being rational :-).

BTW, there is a whole lot more to this scheme than meets the eye. I will expose 
more of it shortly. Stay tuned.

c-da






On Nov 3, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Alpana B. Sarangapani 
absarangap...@hotmail.com wrote:

 That is a great detailed description, C-da. Thank you!
 
 And it does look scary. How can a natural process be totally stopped and all 
 the waters be stored into those dams  It will be like cleaning the Augean 
 Stables. 
 
 Also, even if it is done, if/when the embankments give way then the water 
 will be uncontrollable. This would be worse than the Riverlinking idea. I 
 don't see a solution there now. : (
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Nov 2, 2012, at 10:26 PM, Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 A:
 
 It is NOT so much about building dams as embankments. The  idea proposed by 
 Major Chandra is entirely based on building
 hundreds of miles of mega-embankments, on both sides of the Brahmaputra. He 
 would create monster canals, impoundments,  he calls Sagars,
 both sides of the Brahmaputra, ostensibly to prevent the tributaries from 
 flooding the main river and its flood plains, which really is  most of the 
 Brahmaputra valley. His embankments are proposed to be 20 meters ( 66 ft) in 
 height.
 
 If we draw a cross section of a 66' tall embankment with a 20 meter ( again 
 66') top, it will be like a mesa that is 66' wide at the top and 330 ft. 
 wide ( 110 yds) 
 at the base at the very least ( with a 1:2 slope, which is much too 
 steep-ideally it should be 1:3).  These will run from the western to the 
 eastern end of the Brahmaputra valley, two of them to the north and two to 
 the south. I call them the Mother of All Embankments. 
 
 Now compare these embankments to the new highway that has been under 
 construction four at least the past  5 years, from near Jagiroad to near 
 Na-Gaon. I am not sure if it is done, YET! Did you see the environmental 
 catastrophe this project created? And it was barely 3 meters tall and 
 perhaps no more than 15 meters wide at the top. The Chandra Sagar project 
 will be a hundred folds larger, if not more. Oh, one more thing: Chandra 
 knows he will have to build an impervious core to these embankments. 
 Impervious core will be concrete. I am no civil engineer, but an educated 
 guess will be that this impervious core, 66' tall will be at least 10' 
 thick. Can you imagine the volume of concrete he will need to build these - 
 nearly 500 mile long for each embankment, multiplied by two for the north 
 and an equally long , nearly a thousand miles, for the south AT THE VERY 
 LEAST. I say at the very least, because we have not considered the lengths 
 of these embankments both sides of the tributaries also that the scheme will 
 require as well.
 
 All these are in the realm of the possible. But at a cost. And what might 
 the costs be?
 
 A: First we should look at WHY the Brahmaputra and the tributaries flood so 
 much. A very short and simple answer is that the rivers have become very 
 shallow
 from silting. So to be able to carry they volume of water they need to 
 expand, widen, causing flooding. The PRIMARY cause of the worsening flooding 
 is SILTING of the rivers.
 
 So, why are these rivers getting silted? Where is the silt coming from? A 
 simple answer is that it comers from Arunachal to the north and from the 
 other hIll areas from the south. 
 
 WHY you may ask. Again to put it simply, because of unrelenting 
 deforestation and land disturbance ( earthmoving)  in these hilly areas. The 
 population there are building roads, settlements, farming more and so forth.
 
 Now then, what do you think will Chandra's embankment building  do to the 
 silting problem of these rivers? Simply put, it will exacerbate the silting 
 problem by several hundred folds, not to mention the dust and other 
 pollution that will be the norm all over Assam for decades to come.
 
 Not that Chandra does not know of the silting problem. He does. And he tells 
 us that the tributaries will have to be  fitted with dams to prevent the 
 silt from getting into the
 Brahmaputra and that they will have to be DREDGED!
 
 Wait just a minute! Dredging did he say? I heard it is NOT possible. 
 Apparently Indian and Kharkhowa experts have decided that dredging is not 
 feasible since there is no place to deposit the dredged silt.  I am sure you 
 heard it too, right here in Assamnet.
 
 WHAT GIVES? Does it NOT sound fishy to you? IF Chandra Sagars are contingent 
 on de-silting of the tributaries, why not start doing that to the MOTHER 
 river, the Brahmaputra, to begin with? That will obviate the need for 
 building the Chandra Sagars with the mother-of all embankments, which will 
 uproot thousands of natives from the valley and render vast areas of fertile 
 arable land permanently inundated and keep it under water year round.
 
 But 

Re: [Assam] Oxom Xaagor

2012-11-03 Thread mc mahant

 As  you saw through and through:
 Chandra Sagars are borne out of a far more insidious and unspoken motive. 
Guess what?

Come out-Do

We will all join in. 

Lots of Fun!
 
mm
 From: cmaha...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 14:27:01 -0500
 To: assam@assamnet.org
 Subject: Re: [Assam] Oxom Xaagor
 
 Glad you caught on to the main idea A.  
 
 See I am not nearly as radical as people like to paint me as . I do believe 
 in being rational :-).
 
 BTW, there is a whole lot more to this scheme than meets the eye. I will 
 expose more of it shortly. Stay tuned.
 
 c-da
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Nov 3, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Alpana B. Sarangapani 
 absarangap...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
  That is a great detailed description, C-da. Thank you!
  
  And it does look scary. How can a natural process be totally stopped and 
  all the waters be stored into those dams  It will be like cleaning the 
  Augean Stables. 
  
  Also, even if it is done, if/when the embankments give way then the water 
  will be uncontrollable. This would be worse than the Riverlinking idea. I 
  don't see a solution there now. : (
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  On Nov 2, 2012, at 10:26 PM, Chan Mahanta cmaha...@gmail.com wrote:
  
  A:
  
  It is NOT so much about building dams as embankments. The  idea proposed 
  by Major Chandra is entirely based on building
  hundreds of miles of mega-embankments, on both sides of the Brahmaputra. 
  He would create monster canals, impoundments,  he calls Sagars,
  both sides of the Brahmaputra, ostensibly to prevent the tributaries from 
  flooding the main river and its flood plains, which really is  most of the 
  Brahmaputra valley. His embankments are proposed to be 20 meters ( 66 ft) 
  in height.
  
  If we draw a cross section of a 66' tall embankment with a 20 meter ( 
  again 66') top, it will be like a mesa that is 66' wide at the top and 330 
  ft. wide ( 110 yds) 
  at the base at the very least ( with a 1:2 slope, which is much too 
  steep-ideally it should be 1:3).  These will run from the western to the 
  eastern end of the Brahmaputra valley, two of them to the north and two to 
  the south. I call them the Mother of All Embankments. 
  
  Now compare these embankments to the new highway that has been under 
  construction four at least the past  5 years, from near Jagiroad to near 
  Na-Gaon. I am not sure if it is done, YET! Did you see the environmental 
  catastrophe this project created? And it was barely 3 meters tall and 
  perhaps no more than 15 meters wide at the top. The Chandra Sagar project 
  will be a hundred folds larger, if not more. Oh, one more thing: Chandra 
  knows he will have to build an impervious core to these embankments. 
  Impervious core will be concrete. I am no civil engineer, but an educated 
  guess will be that this impervious core, 66' tall will be at least 10' 
  thick. Can you imagine the volume of concrete he will need to build these 
  - nearly 500 mile long for each embankment, multiplied by two for the 
  north and an equally long , nearly a thousand miles, for the south AT THE 
  VERY LEAST. I say at the very least, because we have not considered the 
  lengths of these embankments both sides of the tributaries also that the 
  scheme will require as well.
  
  All these are in the realm of the possible. But at a cost. And what might 
  the costs be?
  
  A: First we should look at WHY the Brahmaputra and the tributaries flood 
  so much. A very short and simple answer is that the rivers have become 
  very shallow
  from silting. So to be able to carry they volume of water they need to 
  expand, widen, causing flooding. The PRIMARY cause of the worsening 
  flooding is SILTING of the rivers.
  
  So, why are these rivers getting silted? Where is the silt coming from? A 
  simple answer is that it comers from Arunachal to the north and from the 
  other hIll areas from the south. 
  
  WHY you may ask. Again to put it simply, because of unrelenting 
  deforestation and land disturbance ( earthmoving)  in these hilly areas. 
  The population there are building roads, settlements, farming more and so 
  forth.
  
  Now then, what do you think will Chandra's embankment building  do to the 
  silting problem of these rivers? Simply put, it will exacerbate the 
  silting problem by several hundred folds, not to mention the dust and 
  other pollution that will be the norm all over Assam for decades to come.
  
  Not that Chandra does not know of the silting problem. He does. And he 
  tells us that the tributaries will have to be  fitted with dams to prevent 
  the silt from getting into the
  Brahmaputra and that they will have to be DREDGED!
  
  Wait just a minute! Dredging did he say? I heard it is NOT possible. 
  Apparently Indian and Kharkhowa experts have decided that dredging is not 
  feasible since there is no place to deposit the dredged silt.  I am sure 
  you heard it too, right here in Assamnet.
  
  WHAT GIVES? Does it NOT sound fishy to you