Re: 64 bit question

2013-06-17 Thread J R
-BIT */ I would expect this to be second nature to just about everybody on this list. = Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 00:29:13 -0400 From: scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: 64 bit question To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Thanks Peter and Lizette ...the clarification is excellent much

Re: 64 bit question

2013-06-17 Thread Scott Ford
, CONTINUE */ GET31 STORAGE /* FALL BACK TO 31-BIT */ I would expect this to be second nature to just about everybody on this list. = Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 00:29:13 -0400 From: scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: 64 bit question To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Thanks Peter and Lizette

Re: 64 bit question

2013-06-17 Thread Martin Truebner
ZMan it took me some time to find an answer without when I here is one: I remember when we only had two bits. Still is- the condition-code in z-Series -- Martin Pi_cap_CPU - all you ever need around MWLC/SCRT/CMT in z/VSE more at http://www.picapcpu.de

Re: 64 bit question

2013-06-17 Thread Scott Ford
God, I remember half word instructions because I only had 16k to work in ..probably the 1401 guys had less Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Jun 17, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Martin Truebner mar...@pi-sysprog.de wrote: ZMan it took me some

Re: 64 bit question

2013-06-17 Thread robin
From: Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 2:47 AM God, I remember half word instructions because I only had 16k to work in ..probably the 1401 guys had less Many early machines had less. Pilot ACE and DEUCE had 384 words -- and of those, only 256 words could be

Re: 64 bit question

2013-06-17 Thread Scott Ford
Robin, Man..that pretty small...probably when they came out it it was huge Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Jun 17, 2013, at 7:39 PM, robin robi...@dodo.com.au wrote: From: Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 18,

Re: 64 bit question

2013-06-16 Thread Peter Relson
Apologies for the post without subject. I hope anyone adding to it or responding to it supplies one. The intended subject was Re: 64 bit question. Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design

Re: 64 bit question

2013-06-16 Thread Lizette Koehler
Thanks for the clarification Lizette -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter Relson Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 3:39 PM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: System will always be able to answer a request

Re: 64 bit question

2013-06-14 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:56:12 -0400 Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: :As a vendor I won't assume ..I have customers who still think we should write our code in 24 bit mode. So don't get me started. I know your right from my experience , but I would rather be safe than sorry Ah, the

Re: 64 bit question

2013-06-14 Thread Peter Relson
As Tom Marchant pointed out, all supported z/OS releases (and those from z/OS 1.6 onward) require z/Architecture and support 64-bit virtual. Customers do not enable 64-bit functionality on such releases; it cannot be (fully) disabled Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design

Re: 64 bit question

2013-06-14 Thread Sharuff Morsa3
=swg21577670 - for HLASM requirements http://www.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21595123 - for HLASM readers comments Date:Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:56:12 -0400 .From:Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: 64 bit question John, As a vendor I won't assume ..I have customers who still think

24 or 31 (was :64 bit question)

2013-06-14 Thread Martin Truebner
(vendor code) is a different animal IMHO. Just answering the original 64 bit question (from my VSE tower): System will always be able to answer a request for 64 bit - If you make it conditional it will tell you that it resolved from below the bar (if the area above the bar is exhausted). Scott, what

Re: 24 or 31 (was :64 bit question)

2013-06-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 2013-06-14, at 07:45, Martin Truebner wrote: ... (if the area above the bar is exhausted). ... Incredible! How does this happen? Is there any operation that requires storage above the bar and fails if attempted using storage below the bar? (Excluding code artificially designed to operate

Re: 64 bit question

2013-06-14 Thread Phil Smith III
John McKown wrote: Why not just try to get memory above the line, using IARST64 REQUEST=GET, and check the return code? What if the machine is out of memory above the line? (JOKE) Hum, I really find bit 7 amusing. What does STFLE set that bit to when STFLE is not available. No, wait, what?

Re: 24 or 31 (was :64 bit question)

2013-06-14 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 6/14/2013 7:03 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On 2013-06-14, at 07:45, Martin Truebner wrote: ... (if the area above the bar is exhausted). ... Incredible! How does this happen? By coding too small a MEMLIMIT value. Happens all the time... -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International,

Re: 64 bit question

2013-06-14 Thread Scott Ford
Peter, This is my first adventure into the 64bit world. So I am sure you can understand my caution with customers z/os systems. I wasn't aware that the feature couldn't be turned off. My issue is more trying to allocate a 64 bit storage and it failing ...I appreciate everyone's help. Scott

Re: 64 bit question

2013-06-13 Thread John McKown
Why not just try to get memory above the line, using IARST64 REQUEST=GET, and check the return code? http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2A9B0/4.1 Or, you might check the CVTV64 bit in the CVTOSLV2 flag field of the CVT (CVT macro), after checking that FLCARCH is

Re: 64 bit question

2013-06-13 Thread Randy Schafer
- From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 12:08 PM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: Re: 64 bit question Why not just try to get memory above the line, using IARST64 REQUEST=GET, and check

Re: 64 bit question

2013-06-13 Thread John McKown
Of John McKown Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 12:08 PM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: Re: 64 bit question Why not just try to get memory above the line, using IARST64 REQUEST=GET, and check the return code? http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2A9B0/4.1

Re: 64 bit question

2013-06-13 Thread Randy Schafer
Not sure I have a machine I can try that on. Looks like a trap. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 12:19 PM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: Re: 64 bit question

Re: 64 bit question

2013-06-13 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 6/13/2013 9:45 AM, Scott Ford wrote: After reading through the Extended Addressability Guide/ref I have a question.. How do I tell if a machine will support 64 bit storage above the bar ? I mean like a Assembler macro query ..I want to use 64bit storage but I don't know to tell

Re: 64 bit question

2013-06-13 Thread Scott Ford
[mailto:ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 12:08 PM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: Re: 64 bit question Why not just try to get memory above the line, using IARST64 REQUEST=GET, and check the return code? http

Re: 64 bit question

2013-06-13 Thread John Gilmore
Are we not talking about a rather small, even exiguous, population of mainframes under z/OS that do not make AMODE(64) virtual storage available? Its unmediated, direct use by applications may still be exiguous too, but its mediated use by DB2 and the like is now substantial. John Gilmore,

Re: 64 bit question

2013-06-13 Thread Tony Harminc
On 13 June 2013 13:19, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote: Hum, I really find bit 7 amusing. What does STFLE set that bit to when STFLE is not available. No, wait, what? If you didn't get this message, please let us know immediately. Tony H.

Re: 64 bit question

2013-06-13 Thread Scott Ford
John, As a vendor I won't assume ..I have customers who still think we should write our code in 24 bit mode. So don't get me started. I know your right from my experience , but I would rather be safe than sorry Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite

Re: 64 bit question

2013-06-13 Thread Duffy Nightingale, SSPI
, I've heard enough already!. So, you're right. Let's not get started! Duffy -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Scott Ford Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:56 AM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: Re: 64 bit

Re: 64 bit question

2013-06-13 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 17:14:25 +, Randy Schafer wrote: STFLE FUNCTION That's no good. IIRC, STFLE became available on the z9. You can check those bits in the PSA. MVS issues STFL or STFLE to save the information at location 200 (X'C8') If you're running on a z9, the hardware supports

Re: 64 bit question

2013-06-13 Thread Larry lawler
] On Behalf Of Scott Ford Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 9:46 AM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: 64 bit question All, After reading through the Extended Addressability Guide/ref I have a question.. How do I tell if a machine will support 64 bit storage above the bar ? I mean like

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2013-06-13 Thread Capps, Joey
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Re: 64 bit question

2013-06-13 Thread Scott Ford
] On Behalf Of Scott Ford Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 9:46 AM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: 64 bit question All, After reading through the Extended Addressability Guide/ref I have a question.. How do I tell if a machine will support 64 bit storage above the bar ? I mean like