Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-05-01 Thread Abdul Hakeem
12:41 PM To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed Wow, even I missed that. Having said that, currently i'm paying 9p per minute wholesale for weekdays to the UK Orange Mobile network. Does anyone have cheaper rates for that? Thanks

Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-05-01 Thread Apa Minerala
: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed Wow, even I missed that. Having said that, currently i'm paying 9p per minute wholesale for weekdays to the UK Orange Mobile network. Does anyone have cheaper rates for that? Thanks Dan -Original Message- From: asterisk-biz-boun...@lists.digium.com

Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-04-30 Thread Abdul Hakeem
and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed I think the USA way of doing things makes life easier for telecoms companies. Charge the caller the same rate for landline and mobile calls. And charge the mobile user for receiving calls. Then the user makes

Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-04-29 Thread Steve Kennedy
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 02:15:58PM +0100, Chris Bagnall wrote: To everyone whose business has been hurt or impaired by the practices of the big 5 operators in the UK, perhaps you could all sign a petition by following the link below, or attached email: OFCOM is now in consultation to

Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-04-29 Thread Abdul Hakeem
Bagnall Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:16 PM To: 'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion' Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed To everyone whose business has been hurt or impaired by the practices of the big 5 operators in the UK, perhaps you could all sign a petition

Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-04-29 Thread Steve Kennedy
Asterisk Discussion' Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed To everyone whose business has been hurt or impaired by the practices of the big 5 operators in the UK, perhaps you could all sign a petition by following the link below, or attached email: OFCOM is now in consultation

Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-04-29 Thread Abdul Hakeem
...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steve Kennedy Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:50 PM To: asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 02:40:41PM +0100, Abdul Hakeem wrote: [snip] There's an EU directives

Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-04-29 Thread Chris Bagnall
There are millions of people who work depend on their mobile phone as the primary means of contact without the luxury of having a desk, surely they have a voice too. Yes, that was one of the points I was making. If the MNOs are forced to decrease termination charges, then they'll make up

Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-04-29 Thread Dan Journo
Sorry about the top-post. Only just discovered that it annoys people. Shame you cant change Outlook to be more mailing list friendly. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-biz

Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-04-29 Thread Dan Journo
: asterisk-biz-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Chris Bagnall Sent: 29 April 2010 15:22 To: 'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion' Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed There are millions of people who work depend

Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-04-29 Thread Steve Kennedy
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 03:19:09PM +0100, Abdul Hakeem wrote: b) The big 5 (and now 6 if you include Virgin) are being firced to open up the central porting database etc to new-entrants. UK01 (Mundio Mobile) are such a player and have interconnects (maybe via a 3rd party) roaming with

Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-04-29 Thread Vlasis Hatzistavrou (KTI)
Dan Journo wrote: Sorry about the top-post. Only just discovered that it annoys people. Shame you cant change Outlook to be more mailing list friendly. Don't worry, some others are annoyed by bottom posting. You can't keep everyone happy... :) :) Best regards, Vlasis Hatzistavrou. --

Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-04-29 Thread Chris Bagnall
I think the USA way of doing things makes life easier for telecoms companies. Charge the caller the same rate for landline and mobile calls. And charge the mobile user for receiving calls. So the mobile owner has to pay to receive calls from unscrupulous telemarketers they never wanted to

Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-04-29 Thread Dan Journo
So the mobile owner has to pay to receive calls from unscrupulous telemarketers they never wanted to hear from in the first place? I've never felt the US approach of charging the caller to *receive* calls seemed very fair to me. I didn't say it was fair to the consumer. I said its easier

[asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-04-28 Thread Dan Journo
Hello, I run a small VOIP service and one of my clients has pointed out he can get UK Mobile for 6p per minute from 18185.co.uk. I've not seen prices anywhere near that in the VOIP market for UK Mobile. Does anyone have a wholesale route that would allow me to retail UK Mobile for 6p? Many

Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-04-28 Thread Florian Overkamp
Hi, Dan Journo wrote: I run a small VOIP service and one of my clients has pointed out he can get UK Mobile for 6p per minute from 18185.co.uk. I’ve not seen prices anywhere near that in the VOIP market for UK Mobile. Does anyone have a wholesale route that would allow me to retail UK

Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-04-28 Thread Dan Journo
...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Florian Overkamp Sent: 28 April 2010 12:28 To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed Hi, Dan Journo wrote: I run a small VOIP service and one of my clients has pointed out he can get UK Mobile for 6p per minute

Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-04-28 Thread INFO
[mailto:asterisk-biz-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Florian Overkamp Sent: 28 April 2010 12:28 To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed Hi, Dan Journo wrote: I run a small VOIP service and one of my clients has

Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-04-28 Thread Dan Journo
: Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed Hi, Dan Journo wrote: I run a small VOIP service and one of my clients has pointed out he can get UK Mobile for 6p per minute from 18185.co.uk. I've not seen prices anywhere near that in the VOIP market for UK Mobile. Does anyone have a wholesale route

Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-04-28 Thread Chris Bagnall
Actually, my client just pointed out that the rate is in fact 6p per minute weekday. We're also a VoIP provider in the UK, and from what I recall, 6p/min is very close to the *wholesale* termination rate for fairly sizeable volumes. I have heard reports of people getting cheaper interconnects

Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-04-28 Thread David Knell
We're also a VoIP provider in the UK, and from what I recall, 6p/min is very close to the *wholesale* termination rate for fairly sizeable volumes. That very much depends. Wholesale termination rates don't change much or at all with volume (Ofcom's level playing field) but the UK MNOs keep

Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-04-28 Thread Chris Bagnall
To make this on-topic for Asterisk-biz, we can sell you any of the above at a modest margin. Likewise :-) Regards, Chris -- For full contact details visit http://www.minotaur.it This email is made from 100% recycled electrons --

Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-04-28 Thread Steve Kennedy
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 01:16:58PM +0100, Chris Bagnall wrote: Actually, my client just pointed out that the rate is in fact 6p per minute weekday. We're also a VoIP provider in the UK, and from what I recall, 6p/min is very close to the *wholesale* termination rate for fairly sizeable

Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-04-28 Thread Florian Overkamp
Dan Journo wrote: Actually, my client just pointed out that the rate is in fact 6p per minute weekday. http://www.18185.co.uk/rates.php The rate you saw of 10p per minute are for people making use of the 0208 or 0800 access codes. These access codes are for people using a mobile who

Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-04-28 Thread David Knell
We're also a VoIP provider in the UK, and from what I recall, 6p/min is very close to the *wholesale* termination rate for fairly sizeable volumes. I have heard reports of people getting cheaper interconnects with the big 4 mobile networks by using so-called grey routes (e.g. bouncing the

Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-04-28 Thread Steve Kennedy
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 04:31:12PM +0100, David Knell wrote: We're also a VoIP provider in the UK, and from what I recall, 6p/min is very close to the *wholesale* termination rate for fairly sizeable volumes. I have heard reports of people getting cheaper interconnects with the big 4

Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-04-28 Thread David Knell
I have heard reports of people getting cheaper interconnects with the big 4 mobile networks by using so-called grey routes (e.g. bouncing the calls out to the Netherlands or the USA and back into the UK). Err.. with respect: That's called tromboning and to get sensible rates means

Re: [asterisk-biz] UK Mobile Needed

2010-04-28 Thread Steve Kennedy
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 06:46:03PM +0100, David Knell wrote: [snip] That's called tromboning and to get sensible rates means you're probably breaking the law. No, you're not. You are if you change CLI so you're not coming form a UK number, but the call is originated out of the UK.