RE: [Asterisk-Users] g729 status in New Zealand

2005-11-16 Thread Chris Bagnall
The question is really un-important for this list, it is ONLY important between the person who thinks that they can use the g729 codec ignoring the patent or considering that it is not legally enforcable for them and their lawyer who will give them concise information about the legal

Re: [Asterisk-Users] g729 status in New Zealand

2005-11-16 Thread Paul
Kevin P. Fleming wrote: trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: Now for the ITUs site, I found the data set that has the '3 diskettes' (their words) in the zip file (pdf or word) however that is 82 swiss francs, does anyone have a copy that doesnt require such payment (legally of course)? The

Re: [Asterisk-Users] g729 status in New Zealand

2005-11-16 Thread trixter aka Bret McDanel
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 05:51 -0500, Paul wrote: TU is not involved in licensing or patent indemnification; they are non-profit standards body. The G.729 patent holders have given Sipro the task of managing their patent portfolio licensing, so that is who you would need to contact. Sipro

Re: [Asterisk-Users] g729 status in New Zealand

2005-11-16 Thread Steve Underwood
Chris Bagnall wrote: The question is really un-important for this list, it is ONLY important between the person who thinks that they can use the g729 codec ignoring the patent or considering that it is not legally enforcable for them and their lawyer who will give them concise information

Re: [Asterisk-Users] g729 status in New Zealand

2005-11-16 Thread Kevin P. Fleming
Paul wrote: Kevin, I gave those policy changes a quick read a few months ago. I get the impression that Digium has a definite grandfathered advantage. It looks to me like they don't want such general purpose licensing in the future. That is correct, it appears that Sipro wants to directly

[Asterisk-Users] g729 status in New Zealand

2005-11-15 Thread Richard Malcolm-Smith
Do I need licenses to use the codec in New Zealand? smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com

Re: [Asterisk-Users] g729 status in New Zealand

2005-11-15 Thread Matt Riddell
Richard Malcolm-Smith wrote: Do I need licenses to use the codec in New Zealand? Yes. -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://freevoip.gedameurope.com (Free Asterisk Voip Community)

Re: [Asterisk-Users] g729 status in New Zealand

2005-11-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes. The G.729.x source code (in C) can be downloaded for free from ITU-T as the spec actually are in C code. But, even if you use this raw, non-tuned version you will need to pay a license fee to ITU-T per channel. The same for G.723.x The version that Digium offer is optimized, meaning that

Re: [Asterisk-Users] g729 status in New Zealand

2005-11-15 Thread Richard Malcolm-Smith
As far as I was aware a license was only required in contries that had software patents, I know that there arnt here so I am just seeking clarification if thats all there is to it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. The G.729.x source code (in C) can be downloaded for free from ITU-T as the spec

Re: [Asterisk-Users] g729 status in New Zealand

2005-11-15 Thread trixter aka Bret McDanel
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 13:22 +1300, Richard Malcolm-Smith wrote: As far as I was aware a license was only required in contries that had software patents, I know that there arnt here so I am just seeking clarification if thats all there is to it. This issue was beaten to death before,

Re: [Asterisk-Users] g729 status in New Zealand

2005-11-15 Thread David Uzzell
trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 13:22 +1300, Richard Malcolm-Smith wrote: As far as I was aware a license was only required in contries that had software patents, I know that there arnt here so I am just seeking clarification if thats all there is to it. I say just

Re: [Asterisk-Users] g729 status in New Zealand

2005-11-15 Thread trixter aka Bret McDanel
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 13:21 +1100, David Uzzell wrote: trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 13:22 +1300, Richard Malcolm-Smith wrote: As far as I was aware a license was only required in contries that had software patents, I know that there arnt here so I am just

Re: [Asterisk-Users] g729 status in New Zealand

2005-11-15 Thread David Uzzell
trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 13:21 +1100, David Uzzell wrote: trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 13:22 +1300, Richard Malcolm-Smith wrote: As far as I was aware a license was only required in contries that had software patents, I know that there

Re: [Asterisk-Users] g729 status in New Zealand

2005-11-15 Thread trixter aka Bret McDanel
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 15:15 +1100, David Uzzell wrote: Ok I will give you that. If it is not enforcable in NZ thats great. Get a copy of the code and build your own codec. If you want to use digium's codec then you have to pay the lic fee even if the patent is not enforcable for you, thats

Re: [Asterisk-Users] g729 status in New Zealand

2005-11-15 Thread Richard Malcolm-Smith
trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: If you know where to look there is another option out there that doesnt use either method, but I have doubts about how legal that one is, so I will not comment on that. Can someone give me some pointers for this? smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic

Re: [Asterisk-Users] g729 status in New Zealand

2005-11-15 Thread Kevin P. Fleming
trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: Now for the ITUs site, I found the data set that has the '3 diskettes' (their words) in the zip file (pdf or word) however that is 82 swiss francs, does anyone have a copy that doesnt require such payment (legally of course)? The license under which you obtain

Re: [Asterisk-Users] g729 status in New Zealand

2005-11-15 Thread trixter aka Bret McDanel
On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 23:27 -0600, Kevin P. Fleming wrote: The ITU is not involved in licensing or patent indemnification; they are non-profit standards body. The G.729 patent holders have given Sipro the task of managing their patent portfolio licensing, so that is who you would need to

Re: [Asterisk-Users] g729 status in New Zealand

2005-11-15 Thread Matt Riddell
trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 23:27 -0600, Kevin P. Fleming wrote: The ITU is not involved in licensing or patent indemnification; they are non-profit standards body. The G.729 patent holders have given Sipro the task of managing their patent portfolio licensing, so

Re: [Asterisk-Users] g729 status in New Zealand

2005-11-15 Thread trixter aka Bret McDanel
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 19:32 +1300, Matt Riddell wrote: http://www.sipro.com/news.php MONTREAL, CANADA, July 6, 2005. The G.729 Consortium today announced that it has changed its licensing policy and will now offer licenses to use the G.729 patented technology to end-product manufacturers

Re: [Asterisk-Users] g729 status in New Zealand

2005-11-15 Thread Matt Riddell
trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: He was making a comment in reference to what I said. The blurb that I said included information on a specific project implementation of this, which the current licensing structure wont allow for, as such I legally cant license it unless I change my plans. Thus

Re: [Asterisk-Users] g729 status in New Zealand

2005-11-15 Thread trixter aka Bret McDanel
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 19:53 +1300, Matt Riddell wrote: Damn you're fast LOL! :D Its make up for earlier when it was taking 1 hour to see my posts :P -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687