Re: [Asterisk-Users] A rather big setup.
Tom Rymes wrote: Also, if these tenants are not related, then why not run more than one Asterisk server and avoid interconnecting them? Sure, you'll have multiple systems to maintain, but they will be smaller, less complex systems. Also, since each company is unrelated, there is little benefit to having them all on the same server (no need to dial between offices, etc) I agree. You have an exact multi-tenant setup. I would take each of the E1 connections and plug them into a server, one for each floor. If one of the servers runs out of connectins on its E1, then it can use the outbound lines from an * for another floor. You do not want the entire building to have an outage. You happen to have 8 E1 and 8 floors, right? If not, then you can have any floors that don't have a direct E1 connection dial out through the * servers that do have an E1. Also, *do not* run fax over SIP if at all possible. You will need channel banks to handle the faxes. Setup a hylafax server so each tenant can receive faxes over email, and send them from their computers, or just strike up a deal with efax for the building. Mike ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] A rather big setup.
Vedran, Email me off topic and I can provide you some case studies of different providers for your review. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Roger Workman Business Development Upperclassman/Universal Holdings LLC Voice: 304.324.3800 Fax: 304.324.3801 ICQ: 4447584 Website: http://www.upperclassman.net This e-mail and any of its attachments may contain sensitive information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyright belonging to RW Management Inc, Universal Holdings LLC or Upperclassman LLC. This e-mail is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents of and attachments to this e-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of or printout of this e-mail. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan Saell > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:55 AM > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] A rather big setup. > > if this is a brand new thing you can force the phones on people and then > you can to provisioning remotly of for instance Grandstream so they can > change the config themself. By forcing a common set of codex you can avoid > cpu overhead of translation so you only have to think of teh datashuffle. > > Bu doing god work at the dialpla you make shure that all the calls thats > internal never hit the main pbx'es in the celler and oly use them for > outgoing! > > Best regards > jan > > --On Monday, November 28, 2005 04:22:09 AM 퍝 Vedran Dakic > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > Those people currently aren't using any kind of phones, but the > investment > > company that has this building "in the works" wants to deliver > everything > > for them so they just have to - move in and do business. > > > > What worries me is the fact that when you have 100-200 offices - they're > > used to having 2-3 lines only for them - one for fax, two for voice, > etc. > > So, in a way, having in mind around 200-300 outbound calls at peak time > is > > pretty much "normal". Also, when you think of the number of phones - it > > would only be normal to assume for people to have up to 1000 internal > > phone conversations peak (the less transcoding - the better, of course). > > > > I have a freedom of making whatever I want, so I can have a separate LAN > > for VoIP purposes only - a bunch of dedicated patch panels, VLANs on > Cisco > > switches, or whatever. I'm just considering this setup way before it has > > to go online because of the price of traditional PBX for this kind of > > setup which can only make you hurl. And you know how much potential > > upgrades cost for a setup like this - a traditional PBX can be a > > nightmare :( > > > > Cheers, > > Vedran. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hans > > Witvliet Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:08 AM > > To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com > > Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] A rather big setup. > > > > I think there is more to consider. > > One or two fat machines in the basement forr connecting to the PSTN is > > very fine. > > But are all the people allready using voip handsets, or old fashioned > > analoge handsets? If so, you need quite a large number of channelbanks. > > You speak of 300/1500 concurrent phone calls? If so how many handsets > > are you considering? > > Is the lan capable of handling this load? > > Is the lan 100% dedicated for voip, or are there a bunch of > > servers/workstations also using this lan? > > > > Interesting project > > > > Hans > > > > > > ___ > > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > > -- > +-- > ! Irial / YASK AB > ! Att: Jan Saell > ! Box 59, S-692 21 KUMLA, SWEDEN > ! Tel: 019-58 25 15 Int 19 58 25 15 Fax 19 58 38 05 > ! E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ! PGP Fingerprint: E957 23C8 9F51 0958 B9AD 7F18 404A 5DA1 F944 A08B > ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] A rather big setup.
Vedran Dakic ha scritto: How does Asterisk handle this kind of setup with one-two/cluster central server(s) and a bunch of other servers connected with IAX(2)? If you have local calls, do they go directly from phone to phone, do they go from phone to per-floor-Asterisk server, or they have to be interconnected via the main Asterisk server(s)/cluster? With SIP the default is to directly connect the phones once the call is setup (I think also in IAX), investigate canreinvite / nat. Of course you can't do call detail record for calls which aren't forced to pass from the server, see if it's a problem ... As for maintenance we have a dozen of pcs with asterisk installed, each of them is server for 8/10 sip phones and client to a central asterisk server which then connects to E1. Asterisk pcs are scattered around, they pass trough at least one natted network, usually two. Never a problem. Connecting all the SIP phones to SER load balancing to more than one asterisk server will make you learn a lot about sip internals, proxy, domains, authentication and other interesting stuff, but if you need to have a working sistems and can start from zero go iax and spare yourself a lot of frustration. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] A rather big setup.
if this is a brand new thing you can force the phones on people and then you can to provisioning remotly of for instance Grandstream so they can change the config themself. By forcing a common set of codex you can avoid cpu overhead of translation so you only have to think of teh datashuffle. Bu doing god work at the dialpla you make shure that all the calls thats internal never hit the main pbx'es in the celler and oly use them for outgoing! Best regards jan --On Monday, November 28, 2005 04:22:09 AM +0100 Vedran Dakic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, Those people currently aren't using any kind of phones, but the investment company that has this building "in the works" wants to deliver everything for them so they just have to - move in and do business. What worries me is the fact that when you have 100-200 offices - they're used to having 2-3 lines only for them - one for fax, two for voice, etc. So, in a way, having in mind around 200-300 outbound calls at peak time is pretty much "normal". Also, when you think of the number of phones - it would only be normal to assume for people to have up to 1000 internal phone conversations peak (the less transcoding - the better, of course). I have a freedom of making whatever I want, so I can have a separate LAN for VoIP purposes only - a bunch of dedicated patch panels, VLANs on Cisco switches, or whatever. I'm just considering this setup way before it has to go online because of the price of traditional PBX for this kind of setup which can only make you hurl. And you know how much potential upgrades cost for a setup like this - a traditional PBX can be a nightmare :( Cheers, Vedran. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hans Witvliet Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:08 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] A rather big setup. I think there is more to consider. One or two fat machines in the basement forr connecting to the PSTN is very fine. But are all the people allready using voip handsets, or old fashioned analoge handsets? If so, you need quite a large number of channelbanks. You speak of 300/1500 concurrent phone calls? If so how many handsets are you considering? Is the lan capable of handling this load? Is the lan 100% dedicated for voip, or are there a bunch of servers/workstations also using this lan? Interesting project Hans ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- +--- ! Irial / YASK AB ! Att: Jan Saell ! Box 59, S-692 21 KUMLA, SWEDEN ! Tel: 019-58 25 15 Int +46-19 58 25 15 Fax +46-19 58 38 05 ! E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ! PGP Fingerprint: E957 23C8 9F51 0958 B9AD 7F18 404A 5DA1 F944 A08B pgpLA98p9uSVF.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] A rather big setup.
On Nov 27, 2005, at 10:22 PM, Vedran Dakic wrote: What worries me is the fact that when you have 100-200 offices - they're used to having 2-3 lines only for them - one for fax, two for voice, etc. So, in a way, having in mind around 200-300 outbound calls at peak time is pretty much "normal". Also, when you think of the number of phones - it would only be normal to assume for people to have up to 1000 internal phone conversations peak (the less transcoding - the better, of course). If you're providing them with analog lines that they would plug faxes, phones, etc into, you should use T1/E1 cards and Analog Channel banks. This choice, of course, affects: I have a freedom of making whatever I want, so I can have a separate LAN for VoIP purposes only - a bunch of dedicated patch panels, VLANs on Cisco switches, or whatever. I'm just considering this setup way before it has to go online because of the price of traditional PBX for this kind of setup which can only make you hurl. And you know how much potential upgrades cost for a setup like this - a traditional PBX can be a nightmare :( If you are using analog channel banks instead of ATAs or SIP hardphones, then VLANS, etc are not necessary. Of course, you will then need wiring for however many lines into each office, but then again, that most likely already exists. (thus saving on investment...) Also, if these tenants are not related, then why not run more than one Asterisk server and avoid interconnecting them? Sure, you'll have multiple systems to maintain, but they will be smaller, less complex systems. Also, since each company is unrelated, there is little benefit to having them all on the same server (no need to dial between offices, etc) Tom Tom Rymes Cascade Link Systems www.cascadelinksystems.com (603) 375-1414 "Intelligent technology solutions for small businesses." ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] A rather big setup.
I'm very aware of the maintenance issue, but it would also give me a great deal of freedom for some various other things as well. This of course depends on the Asterisk architecture, which I'm not completely aware of - in detail anyway. How does Asterisk handle this kind of setup with one-two/cluster central server(s) and a bunch of other servers connected with IAX(2)? If you have local calls, do they go directly from phone to phone, do they go from phone to per-floor-Asterisk server, or they have to be interconnected via the main Asterisk server(s)/cluster? I mean, there's little point of doing this kind of setup with dedicated Asterisk servers on each floor if you don't get your central server/cluster free of some work - at least of internal calls. Also, it kills scalability, which is always an "issue". Anyone? Cheers, Vedran. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Script Head Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:13 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] A rather big setup. Spreading * servers across multiple floors sounds like a bad idea since it'd increase maintenance time. With your projected call volume there's no way you can reliably run g729 or any other CPU hog of a codec on a single box. For this kind of a setup you'd need 2-3 boxes and a SER/heartbeat box to handle registration and call distribution. I would also isolate CDR recording to a separate box running a database like Postgres (IMHO better choice due to WAL) or MySQL. ScriptHead ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] A rather big setup.
Hello, Those people currently aren't using any kind of phones, but the investment company that has this building "in the works" wants to deliver everything for them so they just have to - move in and do business. What worries me is the fact that when you have 100-200 offices - they're used to having 2-3 lines only for them - one for fax, two for voice, etc. So, in a way, having in mind around 200-300 outbound calls at peak time is pretty much "normal". Also, when you think of the number of phones - it would only be normal to assume for people to have up to 1000 internal phone conversations peak (the less transcoding - the better, of course). I have a freedom of making whatever I want, so I can have a separate LAN for VoIP purposes only - a bunch of dedicated patch panels, VLANs on Cisco switches, or whatever. I'm just considering this setup way before it has to go online because of the price of traditional PBX for this kind of setup which can only make you hurl. And you know how much potential upgrades cost for a setup like this - a traditional PBX can be a nightmare :( Cheers, Vedran. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hans Witvliet Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:08 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] A rather big setup. I think there is more to consider. One or two fat machines in the basement forr connecting to the PSTN is very fine. But are all the people allready using voip handsets, or old fashioned analoge handsets? If so, you need quite a large number of channelbanks. You speak of 300/1500 concurrent phone calls? If so how many handsets are you considering? Is the lan capable of handling this load? Is the lan 100% dedicated for voip, or are there a bunch of servers/workstations also using this lan? Interesting project Hans ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] A rather big setup.
On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 12:02 +0100, Vedran Dakic wrote: > Hmm, maybe I'm missing something here. So, just to be sure... > > I was thinking about having a separate Asterisk server/cluster in the -1 > floor server room where all of the telco/other wires come in (with that 240 > lines via 8 E1 wires), and one asterisk server per floor connected to > Asterisk server/cluster in the basement. I don't understand what did you > mean by this "30 lines from each floor" :) Confused a bit here Couldn't > I have these per-floor Asterisk servers connected directly via Ethernet/IAX > to the -1 floor server room, and have those servers/cluster/whatever manage > the calls? I wasn't thinking about installing one asterisk server per floor > with E1 card inside. I was thinking about connecting all of those servers to > the central server with all of the E1 lines inside. Isn't that possible? > > Cheers, > Vedran. > I think there is more to consider. One or two fat machines in the basement forr connecting to the PSTN is very fine. But are all the people allready using voip handsets, or old fashioned analoge handsets? If so, you need quite a large number of channelbanks. You speak of 300/1500 concurrent phone calls? If so how many handsets are you considering? Is the lan capable of handling this load? Is the lan 100% dedicated for voip, or are there a bunch of servers/workstations also using this lan? Interesting project Hans -- pgp-id: 926EBB12 pgp-fingerprint: BE97 1CBF FAC4 236C 4A73 F76E EDFC D032 926E BB12 Registered linux user: 75761 (http://counter.li.org) ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] A rather big setup.
Spreading * servers across multiple floors sounds like a bad idea since it'd increase maintenance time. With your projected call volume there's no way you can reliably run g729 or any other CPU hog of a codec on a single box. For this kind of a setup you'd need 2-3 boxes and a SER/heartbeat box to handle registration and call distribution. I would also isolate CDR recording to a separate box running a database like Postgres (IMHO better choice due to WAL) or MySQL. ScriptHead On 11/27/05, Simone Cittadini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Vedran Dakic ha scritto:>>I can only guess that I should have the ability to deliver a solution that>can do some 100/500 simultaneously. The only question is how powerful should>be a machine (or machines) that could do around 100/500 simultaneously. And, >just for the sake of knowing, what should the setup be alike if it was>240/1000 simultaneously?>>>My suggestion is to buy the E1 cards first of all and put them in a testserver, equipped with asterisk and all the relevant agi / db connections / moh etc..Then loop the card with a crossover cable and run some test script togenerate the medium and upper bound call flows.That should give you an idea of your cpu/ram requirements. >>In the second case there's no need for a cluster, a good server will do,>>(obviously a second server for backup is a good idea ). I'm assuming you>>can use a/ulaw to transmit the data, if bandwidth is a problem and you >>must compress cpu usage becomes a boottleneck to keep in mind.>>A/ulaw? I saw some reports that G.729 uses very little bandwidth and has>a quality part granted (audio quality). It's not a question of hardware >and/or CPU power, I have two dual Opteron configurations and could install>some more, it's just the question of that setup running with quality audio>and no unwanted events.>>G729 has a very good quality -considered the bandwidth used-, but if your customers are used to conventional telephony they will no doubtnotice the difference, so go with G711 (probably alaw, since you use E1I suppose you are in europe)Anyway if bandwidth is a problem consider ilbc / speex which are free and have good audio qualities also.Lastly a lot of the quality comes from a well configured phone, tweakwith volumes and timeouts.>I presume that I should have all of the phones using the same codec (so, >no transcoding), and preferrably the same VoIP protocol. I have a choice>there so everything's possible. Let's say - IP10s has H.323, SIP and MGCP>firmwares, although I'd like to leave H.323 out of the story. >>>Yes, leaving H323 out of the story is a good way to start the project :)___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com --Asterisk-Users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] A rather big setup.
Vedran Dakic ha scritto: I can only guess that I should have the ability to deliver a solution that can do some 100/500 simultaneously. The only question is how powerful should be a machine (or machines) that could do around 100/500 simultaneously. And, just for the sake of knowing, what should the setup be alike if it was 240/1000 simultaneously? My suggestion is to buy the E1 cards first of all and put them in a test server, equipped with asterisk and all the relevant agi / db connections / moh etc.. Then loop the card with a crossover cable and run some test script to generate the medium and upper bound call flows. That should give you an idea of your cpu/ram requirements. In the second case there's no need for a cluster, a good server will do, (obviously a second server for backup is a good idea ). I'm assuming you can use a/ulaw to transmit the data, if bandwidth is a problem and you must compress cpu usage becomes a boottleneck to keep in mind. A/ulaw? I saw some reports that G.729 uses very little bandwidth and has a quality part granted (audio quality). It's not a question of hardware and/or CPU power, I have two dual Opteron configurations and could install some more, it's just the question of that setup running with quality audio and no unwanted events. G729 has a very good quality -considered the bandwidth used-, but if your customers are used to conventional telephony they will no doubt notice the difference, so go with G711 (probably alaw, since you use E1 I suppose you are in europe) Anyway if bandwidth is a problem consider ilbc / speex which are free and have good audio qualities also. Lastly a lot of the quality comes from a well configured phone, tweak with volumes and timeouts. I presume that I should have all of the phones using the same codec (so, no transcoding), and preferrably the same VoIP protocol. I have a choice there so everything's possible. Let's say - IP10s has H.323, SIP and MGCP firmwares, although I'd like to leave H.323 out of the story. Yes, leaving H323 out of the story is a good way to start the project :) ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] A rather big setup.
Well you are exactly right! You can have one box per floor. But you said that they where going to connect to the main astrisk with a E1 and then i guessed that you where tinking of using a E1 car in the box to the main one and not ethernet. Thats why i said what i did. So yes - connect them with Ethernet/IAX and is should work fine! Best regards jan --On Sunday, November 27, 2005 12:02:53 PM +0100 Vedran Dakic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hmm, maybe I'm missing something here. So, just to be sure... I was thinking about having a separate Asterisk server/cluster in the -1 floor server room where all of the telco/other wires come in (with that 240 lines via 8 E1 wires), and one asterisk server per floor connected to Asterisk server/cluster in the basement. I don't understand what did you mean by this "30 lines from each floor" :) Confused a bit here Couldn't I have these per-floor Asterisk servers connected directly via Ethernet/IAX to the -1 floor server room, and have those servers/cluster/whatever manage the calls? I wasn't thinking about installing one asterisk server per floor with E1 card inside. I was thinking about connecting all of those servers to the central server with all of the E1 lines inside. Isn't that possible? Cheers, Vedran. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan Saell Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 10:52 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] A rather big setup. Remember that the E1 only gives you a 30 lines from each floor then! If you use a dedicated 100mbs ethernet and uses IAX trunks you can have much more lines from each floor. Sphinx Just my 5 cents. Best regards ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- +--- ! Irial / YASK AB ! Att: Jan Saell ! Box 59, S-692 21 KUMLA, SWEDEN ! Tel: 019-58 25 15 Int +46-19 58 25 15 Fax +46-19 58 38 05 ! E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ! PGP Fingerprint: E957 23C8 9F51 0958 B9AD 7F18 404A 5DA1 F944 A08B pgpc93sOHzcm8.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] A rather big setup.
Hmm, maybe I'm missing something here. So, just to be sure... I was thinking about having a separate Asterisk server/cluster in the -1 floor server room where all of the telco/other wires come in (with that 240 lines via 8 E1 wires), and one asterisk server per floor connected to Asterisk server/cluster in the basement. I don't understand what did you mean by this "30 lines from each floor" :) Confused a bit here Couldn't I have these per-floor Asterisk servers connected directly via Ethernet/IAX to the -1 floor server room, and have those servers/cluster/whatever manage the calls? I wasn't thinking about installing one asterisk server per floor with E1 card inside. I was thinking about connecting all of those servers to the central server with all of the E1 lines inside. Isn't that possible? Cheers, Vedran. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan Saell Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 10:52 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] A rather big setup. Remember that the E1 only gives you a 30 lines from each floor then! If you use a dedicated 100mbs ethernet and uses IAX trunks you can have much more lines from each floor. Just my 5 cents. Best regards ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] A rather big setup.
Remember that the E1 only gives you a 30 lines from each floor then! If you use a dedicated 100mbs ethernet and uses IAX trunks you can have much more lines from each floor. Just my 5 cents. Best regards --On Saturday, November 26, 2005 12:35:16 PM +0100 Vedran Dakic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You mean 240 / 1000 simultaneous calls or 240 outside lines and 1000 internal phones ? I can only guess that I should have the ability to deliver a solution that can do some 100/500 simultaneously. The only question is how powerful should be a machine (or machines) that could do around 100/500 simultaneously. And, just for the sake of knowing, what should the setup be alike if it was 240/1000 simultaneously? In the second case there's no need for a cluster, a good server will do, (obviously a second server for backup is a good idea ). I'm assuming you can use a/ulaw to transmit the data, if bandwidth is a problem and you must compress cpu usage becomes a boottleneck to keep in mind. A/ulaw? I saw some reports that G.729 uses very little bandwidth and has a quality part granted (audio quality). It's not a question of hardware and/or CPU power, I have two dual Opteron configurations and could install some more, it's just the question of that setup running with quality audio and no unwanted events. I presume that I should have all of the phones using the same codec (so, no transcoding), and preferrably the same VoIP protocol. I have a choice there so everything's possible. Let's say - IP10s has H.323, SIP and MGCP firmwares, although I'd like to leave H.323 out of the story. I'm having ~80 concurrent calls from iax/sip to pri in alaw from an userbase of ~150 clients and the cpu is around 6% on a dual 2.8 Ghz. 1000 phones are a lot, and sip sometimes is an hassle (mostly nat), I don't know your network topology, but maybe you can consider to connect every group of phones to an asterisk pc and the pcs to the server via iax, which uses a little less bandwidth and most of all works "out of the box". A pentium 400 can handle ~8 calls with ilbc, so every modern pc will do. Maybe I have a better idea, now that I come to think of it. Maybe I should install one Asterisk server per floor (8-9 floors) and use IAX to connect to the central server with E1 connections. Does that sound reasonable? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- +--- ! Irial / YASK AB ! Att: Jan Saell ! Box 59, S-692 21 KUMLA, SWEDEN ! Tel: 019-58 25 15 Int +46-19 58 25 15 Fax +46-19 58 38 05 ! E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ! PGP Fingerprint: E957 23C8 9F51 0958 B9AD 7F18 404A 5DA1 F944 A08B pgp25NPsnNKhT.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] A rather big setup.
> You mean 240 / 1000 simultaneous calls or 240 outside lines and 1000 > internal phones ? I can only guess that I should have the ability to deliver a solution that can do some 100/500 simultaneously. The only question is how powerful should be a machine (or machines) that could do around 100/500 simultaneously. And, just for the sake of knowing, what should the setup be alike if it was 240/1000 simultaneously? > In the second case there's no need for a cluster, a good server will do, > (obviously a second server for backup is a good idea ). I'm assuming you > can use a/ulaw to transmit the data, if bandwidth is a problem and you > must compress cpu usage becomes a boottleneck to keep in mind. A/ulaw? I saw some reports that G.729 uses very little bandwidth and has a quality part granted (audio quality). It's not a question of hardware and/or CPU power, I have two dual Opteron configurations and could install some more, it's just the question of that setup running with quality audio and no unwanted events. I presume that I should have all of the phones using the same codec (so, no transcoding), and preferrably the same VoIP protocol. I have a choice there so everything's possible. Let's say - IP10s has H.323, SIP and MGCP firmwares, although I'd like to leave H.323 out of the story. > I'm having ~80 concurrent calls from iax/sip to pri in alaw from an > userbase of ~150 clients and the cpu is around 6% on a dual 2.8 Ghz. > 1000 phones are a lot, and sip sometimes is an hassle (mostly nat), I > don't know your network topology, but maybe you can consider to connect > every group of phones to an asterisk pc and the pcs to the server via > iax, which uses a little less bandwidth and most of all works "out of > the box". A pentium 400 can handle ~8 calls with ilbc, so every modern > pc will do. Maybe I have a better idea, now that I come to think of it. Maybe I should install one Asterisk server per floor (8-9 floors) and use IAX to connect to the central server with E1 connections. Does that sound reasonable? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] A rather big setup.
Vedran Dakic ha scritto: I have been asked by the customer to deilver a big PBX-system based on Asterisk. The requirements are approximately: - up to 240 lines for making outside calls from the building - up to 1000 internal phone conversations (within the building) - scalable up to 300/1500 calls You mean 240 / 1000 simultaneous calls or 240 outside lines and 1000 internal phones ? In the second case there's no need for a cluster, a good server will do, ( obviously a second server for backup is a good idea ) I'm assuming you can use a/ulaw to transmit the data, if bandwidth is a problem and you must compress cpu usage becomes a boottleneck to keep in mind. I'm having ~80 concurrent calls from iax/sip to pri in alaw from an userbase of ~150 clients and the cpu is around 6% on a dual 2.8 Ghz. 1000 phones are a lot, and sip sometimes is an hassle (mostly nat), I don't know your network topology, but maybe you can consider to connect every group of phones to an asterisk pc and the pcs to the server via iax, which uses a little less bandwidth and most of all works "out of the box". A pentium 400 can handle ~8 calls with ilbc, so every modern pc will do. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] A rather big setup.
I have been asked by the customer to deilver a big PBX-system based on Asterisk. The requirements are approximately: - up to 240 lines for making outside calls from the building - up to 1000 internal phone conversations (within the building) - scalable up to 300/1500 calls Does anyone have any ideas about a setup like this? How much servers should I use, should I use clustering, what E1 cards, how many, etc? Any help would be mostly appericiated. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
