Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question
My own fear from hell is having to call tech support! My personal experience is that I get better support, faster, from mailing lists than from a paid for tech support. If it's a common failure, Google will get you there faster than you can dial 1-800. If it's more unusual, the paid for techie won't have it in his script and you will have to wait to be escalated. If it actually requires some real troubleshooting skills and/or brain power, your mailing list buddies will be far more interested in helping you than an underpaid, under-challenged help line dweeb who just wishes it was Friday already. The idea that paid for or at least there's a neck to choke support is better is just FUD. BTW the original IBM phrase was Fear, Uncertainty and DEATH (not the P.C. Doubt, which is redundant). regards, Drew Al Baker wrote: Helps a bunch !!! One follow up question - out of all of your possible choices for the OS how did you pick *Debian*. I 'm not saying is bad, I just know nothing about the particular disto. and and very curious what it brought to the table that made you pick over say *RedHat* - where you can *buy support *or *SUSE* - where you can *buy support*. My fear from hell is that I' get 50 or 60 of these boxes in, start having kernel panics, and have no damn body to help except the folks on mailing lists. Mind you these are often really smart people, very generously giving of their time, but not quite the say as a manned/paid support organization. Thx for sharing !!! Michiel van Baak wrote: On 08:02, Thu 27 Mar 08, Al Baker wrote: How do you get notifications ? Is this thru one of the add on packages HP sells for the box ? Which One ? Could you be more specific about what you mean by a recovery CD and hod do you get console access below multi used to do recovery ?? What is integrated ILO BIOS Access sounds cool. What O/S you usin and what made you pick it ? What kind and how many RAIDS are you using. The HP site gave like 8 different RAID controllers and like 20 CPUs to chose from. How did you chose ? Thx for sharing !!! I'm not the op, but sending a reply anyways. The notifications come from the HP tools you can download for free from their website. The recovery cd is probably a selfmade installer for their setup. At least that's what we have. the ILO stuff is to give you access to the box like you were sitting right in front of it with a physical keyboard and monitor, but over IP. You can boot the machine, access the cd in your local machine etc, even if the box is on the other side of the moon. We use Debian. HP even supports it on their DL380 boxen. We use the P400 raid controller. Setup RAID5 with 3 disks. CPU we use right now is the Intel E5405 Hope this helps a bit. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Drew Gibson Systems Administrator OANDA Corporation www.oanda.com ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question
On 00:05, Mon 31 Mar 08, Al Baker wrote: Could you elaborate a bit more on : For example, if I install zaptel from source, your support contract with them is void. Does this mean it is impossible to run Asterisk on Vendor Supported versions of RedHat or Suse ? Installing zaptel from source means you use a kernel module that is not tested/supported by RedHat/Suse. So if you call them for support they wont help you unless you unload this module and then reproduce the problem. Thanks Michiel van Baak wrote: On 02:34, Sat 29 Mar 08, Al Baker wrote: Helps a bunch !!! One follow up question - out of all of your possible choices for the OS how did you pick *Debian*. I 'm not saying is bad, I just know nothing about the particular disto. and and very curious what it brought to the table that made you pick over say *RedHat* - where you can *buy support *or *SUSE* - where you can *buy support*. My fear from hell is that I' get 50 or 60 of these boxes in, start having kernel panics, and have no damn body to help except the folks on mailing lists. Mind you these are often really smart people, very generously giving of their time, but not quite the say as a manned/paid support organization. I choose Debian because I was already using it. And because there are people out there that can help me. I dont want the support from suse or redhat because they wont help me when running anything that's not in their repositories. For example, if I install zaptel from source, your support contract with them is void. I also really like the Open and Free mindset of Debian. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Michiel van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://michiel.vanbaak.eu GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x71C946BD Why is it drug addicts and computer aficionados are both called users? ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 01:04:53AM -0400, Al Baker wrote: There are people who will support your Debian / Centos / whatever boxes. If it is OK to ask on a non-commercial list, do you have a list of reliable O/S support folks. By this I mean companies with a support staff, as opposed to a really bright and talented guy who does it between classes in school. Historically our projects were on big HP iron with HP-UX support from HP Now that you mention HP: http://hp.com/go/debian -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755 jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +972-50-7952406 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xorcom.com iax:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/tzafrir ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question
Could you elaborate a bit more on : For example, if I install zaptel from source, your support contract with them is void. Does this mean it is impossible to run Asterisk on Vendor Supported versions of RedHat or Suse ? Thanks Michiel van Baak wrote: On 02:34, Sat 29 Mar 08, Al Baker wrote: Helps a bunch !!! One follow up question - out of all of your possible choices for the OS how did you pick *Debian*. I 'm not saying is bad, I just know nothing about the particular disto. and and very curious what it brought to the table that made you pick over say *RedHat* - where you can *buy support *or *SUSE* - where you can *buy support*. My fear from hell is that I' get 50 or 60 of these boxes in, start having kernel panics, and have no damn body to help except the folks on mailing lists. Mind you these are often really smart people, very generously giving of their time, but not quite the say as a manned/paid support organization. I choose Debian because I was already using it. And because there are people out there that can help me. I dont want the support from suse or redhat because they wont help me when running anything that's not in their repositories. For example, if I install zaptel from source, your support contract with them is void. I also really like the Open and Free mindset of Debian. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question
There are people who will support your Debian / Centos / whatever boxes. If it is OK to ask on a non-commercial list, do you have a list of reliable O/S support folks. By this I mean companies with a support staff, as opposed to a really bright and talented guy who does it between classes in school. Historically our projects were on big HP iron with HP-UX support from HP THX Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 02:34:36AM -0400, Al Baker wrote: Helps a bunch !!! One follow up question - out of all of your possible choices for the OS how did you pick *Debian*. I 'm not saying is bad, I just know nothing about the particular disto. and and very curious what it brought to the table that made you pick over say *RedHat* - where you can *buy support *or *SUSE* - where you can *buy support*. My fear from hell is that I' get 50 or 60 of these boxes in, start having kernel panics, and have no damn body to help except the folks on mailing lists. Mind you these are often really smart people, very generously giving of their time, but not quite the say as a manned/paid support organization. What exactly is supported? Specifically, RHEL does not include Zaptel. And is not likely to include the kernel Zaptel modules until Zaptel comes closer to mainline kernel. SLES includes a Zaptel package of its own. 1.2.4 . Will they support a system that has unsupported kernel code? What is the alternative? buy support elsewhere. There are people who will support your Debian / Centos / whatever boxes. With RHEL and SuSE you have to buy support. With Debian it is optional. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question
Helps a bunch !!! One follow up question - out of all of your possible choices for the OS how did you pick *Debian*. I 'm not saying is bad, I just know nothing about the particular disto. and and very curious what it brought to the table that made you pick over say *RedHat* - where you can *buy support *or *SUSE* - where you can *buy support*. My fear from hell is that I' get 50 or 60 of these boxes in, start having kernel panics, and have no damn body to help except the folks on mailing lists. Mind you these are often really smart people, very generously giving of their time, but not quite the say as a manned/paid support organization. Thx for sharing !!! Michiel van Baak wrote: On 08:02, Thu 27 Mar 08, Al Baker wrote: How do you get notifications ? Is this thru one of the add on packages HP sells for the box ? Which One ? Could you be more specific about what you mean by a recovery CD and hod do you get console access below multi used to do recovery ?? What is integrated ILO BIOS Access sounds cool. What O/S you usin and what made you pick it ? What kind and how many RAIDS are you using. The HP site gave like 8 different RAID controllers and like 20 CPUs to chose from. How did you chose ? Thx for sharing !!! I'm not the op, but sending a reply anyways. The notifications come from the HP tools you can download for free from their website. The recovery cd is probably a selfmade installer for their setup. At least that's what we have. the ILO stuff is to give you access to the box like you were sitting right in front of it with a physical keyboard and monitor, but over IP. You can boot the machine, access the cd in your local machine etc, even if the box is on the other side of the moon. We use Debian. HP even supports it on their DL380 boxen. We use the P400 raid controller. Setup RAID5 with 3 disks. CPU we use right now is the Intel E5405 Hope this helps a bit. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question
How did you chose Centos, versus Red Hat, Suse, Debian, ? Was there some key feature it offered that the others didn't ? Cost ? Darren Wright wrote: Notifications can be done either thru SNMP traps or SMTP. Insight Manager is free from HP, but any SNMP trapper can work with alerts. The recovery CD is just a build that reloads the majority of the system with a static ip. We backup off site to one of our servers via FTP. ILO access is an integrated IP KVM. So you can see the machine boot, get virtual media access, etc. O/S is CentOS. For smaller systems, RAID 1, and for larger DL380 based systems 0+1 -D -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Baker Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 8:02 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question How do you get notifications ? Is this thru one of the add on packages HP sells for the box ? Which One ? Could you be more specific about what you mean by a recovery CD and hod do you get console access below multi used to do recovery ?? What is integrated ILO BIOS Access sounds cool. What O/S you usin and what made you pick it ? What kind and how many RAIDS are you using. The HP site gave like 8 different RAID controllers and like 20 CPUs to chose from. How did you chose ? Thx for sharing !!! Darren Wright wrote: One of the major reasons we use DL320 / DL380's is the ease of swapping drives, and the integrated ILO BIOS level access.We can support remote sites with ease. If a drive dies we get a notification, a new one is sent and a non- techie can replace it with guidance.No onsite visit. That is worth potentially thousands of dollars. We also leave a recovery CD there that can be inserted if we need to rebuild the system remotely. Never had to, but it's worked in the lab. -D This message was sent from D2 Technology, INC. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users This message was sent from D2 Technology, INC. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question
On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 02:34:36AM -0400, Al Baker wrote: Helps a bunch !!! One follow up question - out of all of your possible choices for the OS how did you pick *Debian*. I 'm not saying is bad, I just know nothing about the particular disto. and and very curious what it brought to the table that made you pick over say *RedHat* - where you can *buy support *or *SUSE* - where you can *buy support*. My fear from hell is that I' get 50 or 60 of these boxes in, start having kernel panics, and have no damn body to help except the folks on mailing lists. Mind you these are often really smart people, very generously giving of their time, but not quite the say as a manned/paid support organization. What exactly is supported? Specifically, RHEL does not include Zaptel. And is not likely to include the kernel Zaptel modules until Zaptel comes closer to mainline kernel. SLES includes a Zaptel package of its own. 1.2.4 . Will they support a system that has unsupported kernel code? What is the alternative? buy support elsewhere. There are people who will support your Debian / Centos / whatever boxes. With RHEL and SuSE you have to buy support. With Debian it is optional. -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755 jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +972-50-7952406 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xorcom.com iax:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/tzafrir ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question
On 02:34, Sat 29 Mar 08, Al Baker wrote: Helps a bunch !!! One follow up question - out of all of your possible choices for the OS how did you pick *Debian*. I 'm not saying is bad, I just know nothing about the particular disto. and and very curious what it brought to the table that made you pick over say *RedHat* - where you can *buy support *or *SUSE* - where you can *buy support*. My fear from hell is that I' get 50 or 60 of these boxes in, start having kernel panics, and have no damn body to help except the folks on mailing lists. Mind you these are often really smart people, very generously giving of their time, but not quite the say as a manned/paid support organization. I choose Debian because I was already using it. And because there are people out there that can help me. I dont want the support from suse or redhat because they wont help me when running anything that's not in their repositories. For example, if I install zaptel from source, your support contract with them is void. I also really like the Open and Free mindset of Debian. Thx for sharing !!! Michiel van Baak wrote: On 08:02, Thu 27 Mar 08, Al Baker wrote: How do you get notifications ? Is this thru one of the add on packages HP sells for the box ? Which One ? Could you be more specific about what you mean by a recovery CD and hod do you get console access below multi used to do recovery ?? What is integrated ILO BIOS Access sounds cool. What O/S you usin and what made you pick it ? What kind and how many RAIDS are you using. The HP site gave like 8 different RAID controllers and like 20 CPUs to chose from. How did you chose ? Thx for sharing !!! I'm not the op, but sending a reply anyways. The notifications come from the HP tools you can download for free from their website. The recovery cd is probably a selfmade installer for their setup. At least that's what we have. the ILO stuff is to give you access to the box like you were sitting right in front of it with a physical keyboard and monitor, but over IP. You can boot the machine, access the cd in your local machine etc, even if the box is on the other side of the moon. We use Debian. HP even supports it on their DL380 boxen. We use the P400 raid controller. Setup RAID5 with 3 disks. CPU we use right now is the Intel E5405 Hope this helps a bit. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Michiel van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://michiel.vanbaak.eu GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x71C946BD Why is it drug addicts and computer aficionados are both called users? ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question
On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 5:24 AM, Michiel van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 02:34, Sat 29 Mar 08, Al Baker wrote: Helps a bunch !!! One follow up question - out of all of your possible choices for the OS how did you pick *Debian*. I 'm not saying is bad, I just know nothing about the particular disto. and and very curious what it brought to the table that made you pick over say *RedHat* - where you can *buy support *or *SUSE* - where you can *buy support*. My fear from hell is that I' get 50 or 60 of these boxes in, start having kernel panics, and have no damn body to help except the folks on mailing lists. Mind you these are often really smart people, very generously giving of their time, but not quite the say as a manned/paid support organization. I choose Debian because I was already using it. And because there are people out there that can help me. I dont want the support from suse or redhat because they wont help me when running anything that's not in their repositories. For example, if I install zaptel from source, your support contract with them is void. I also really like the Open and Free mindset of Debian. Thx for sharing !!! Michiel van Baak wrote: On 08:02, Thu 27 Mar 08, Al Baker wrote: How do you get notifications ? Is this thru one of the add on packages HP sells for the box ? Which One ? Could you be more specific about what you mean by a recovery CD and hod do you get console access below multi used to do recovery ?? What is integrated ILO BIOS Access sounds cool. What O/S you usin and what made you pick it ? What kind and how many RAIDS are you using. The HP site gave like 8 different RAID controllers and like 20 CPUs to chose from. How did you chose ? Thx for sharing !!! I'm not the op, but sending a reply anyways. The notifications come from the HP tools you can download for free from their website. The recovery cd is probably a selfmade installer for their setup. At least that's what we have. the ILO stuff is to give you access to the box like you were sitting right in front of it with a physical keyboard and monitor, but over IP. You can boot the machine, access the cd in your local machine etc, even if the box is on the other side of the moon. We use Debian. HP even supports it on their DL380 boxen. We use the P400 raid controller. Setup RAID5 with 3 disks. CPU we use right now is the Intel E5405 Hope this helps a bit. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Michiel van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://michiel.vanbaak.eu GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x71C946BD Why is it drug addicts and computer aficionados are both called users? Kernel panics are usually caused by a change. Just change it back, whether that is a hardware or software configuration. Could be bad RAM too, but the logs should shed light on what the issue is Hopefully. Anyways, I have been lucky enough not to have a kernel panic in quite a long time (whatever flavor, in fact, the last time was trying to install a TDM400P in a Dell 1435), I wish I could say that for Asterisk core dumping... Just go with the flavor you like and if support is a huge concern, buy ABE and take the support role off your hands (as long as you are using Digium products). Thanks, Steve Totaro ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question
Yup.Trixbox. -D From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Al Baker Sent: Sat 3/29/2008 2:40 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question How did you chose Centos, versus Red Hat, Suse, Debian, ? Was there some key feature it offered that the others didn't ? Cost ? Darren Wright wrote: Notifications can be done either thru SNMP traps or SMTP. Insight Manager is free from HP, but any SNMP trapper can work with alerts. The recovery CD is just a build that reloads the majority of the system with a static ip. We backup off site to one of our servers via FTP. ILO access is an integrated IP KVM. So you can see the machine boot, get virtual media access, etc. O/S is CentOS. For smaller systems, RAID 1, and for larger DL380 based systems 0+1 -D -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Baker Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 8:02 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question How do you get notifications ? Is this thru one of the add on packages HP sells for the box ? Which One ? Could you be more specific about what you mean by a recovery CD and hod do you get console access below multi used to do recovery ?? What is integrated ILO BIOS Access sounds cool. What O/S you usin and what made you pick it ? What kind and how many RAIDS are you using. The HP site gave like 8 different RAID controllers and like 20 CPUs to chose from. How did you chose ? Thx for sharing !!! Darren Wright wrote: One of the major reasons we use DL320 / DL380's is the ease of swapping drives, and the integrated ILO BIOS level access.We can support remote sites with ease. If a drive dies we get a notification, a new one is sent and a non- techie can replace it with guidance.No onsite visit. That is worth potentially thousands of dollars. We also leave a recovery CD there that can be inserted if we need to rebuild the system remotely. Never had to, but it's worked in the lab. -D This message was sent from D2 Technology, INC. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com http://www.api-digital.com/ -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com http://www.api-digital.com/ -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users This message was sent from D2 Technology, INC. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com http://www.api-digital.com/ -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com http://www.api-digital.com/ -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users This message was sent from D2 Technology, INC. winmail.dat___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question
I used to have hundred big HP 9000 boxes running HP-UX 11.0. Having some open th entrailsls of those big boys and due surgery was a damn good feeling. The also came with very very good HW diagnostics and had some place you cold send KERNEL Dumps on troubled system that was often a life saver shadowym wrote: You don't have to build Supermicro stuff yourself if you don't want to. Most Supermicro dealers do it for you if you buy all the parts from them. It's true that what your doing with Dell/HP is paying for emotional support. When it comes to PBX's you not getting any value paying for Dell/HP support. If your getting good stuff you should never need their hardware replacement warranty either. -Original Message- From: Jesse Molina [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:11 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question If you can't troubleshoot a hardware problem, then you should definitely not be thinking about this. Going with a support-yourself plan is not for everyone, especially if you don't have good hands-on hardware ability local to where the systems are. The cost savings can be significant enough that you don't' need to worry about third party support. Just buy some cold-spare systems. Out of eight servers, you can buy three spares and still have money left over -- assuming a three year life span for the systems and related support costs. This is true on 1U and 2U systems -- I'm not sure about larger stuff. After all, what are Dell/IBM/HP-Compaq going to do for you, other than replace the hardware? Nothing. They don't support your custom software and configurations, just hardware. Yank the hard drives, RAID controller, install in a spare system, and you're up and running again. Figure out what went wrong on the old system later. If it's under warranty, get it RMAed at your leisure. If it's not, you've got another two spare systems on the shelf, waiting there 24x7 just for you. Once again, it's not for everyone. If you don't feel comfortable with it, don't do it! It works for some businesses, not for others. It depends on who is supporting your servers. If IBM supports your servers, get IBM support. If you support your servers... then why are you paying them to do nothing??? Don't pay for emotional support. On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 06:55:10PM -0400, Al Baker wrote: ok - but, who do you call for HW problem ? HP has all levels of warranties all depending on how much $$ you want to spend. What do you do if you buy and install Supermicro ? HP also has 24x7 support center , again not for free, what do you do with Supermicro ??? I am really interested because I hear a lot of folks putting * on them but I never have worked on them while I have put in bunch of HPs really big boxes.. Thx for sharing your experience Matthew Gibson wrote: I've had good luck with these guys: http://rackmountsetc.com/ supermicro have never failed me yet. On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Jesse Molina [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want barebones where you add your own processor, RAM, hard drives, and options, try SuperMicro brand servers. They are thousands of dollars less than the big (fat) names like IBM and HP/Compaq, but very good quality. I've built several clusters of computers with SuperMicro systems. They are great if you want to do barebones, clusters, or other special projects. It just takes a little more time to do the assembly work. Try newegg.com http://newegg.com for some sample pricing. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question
How do you get notifications ? Is this thru one of the add on packages HP sells for the box ? Which One ? Could you be more specific about what you mean by a recovery CD and hod do you get console access below multi used to do recovery ?? What is integrated ILO BIOS Access sounds cool. What O/S you usin and what made you pick it ? What kind and how many RAIDS are you using. The HP site gave like 8 different RAID controllers and like 20 CPUs to chose from. How did you chose ? Thx for sharing !!! Darren Wright wrote: One of the major reasons we use DL320 / DL380's is the ease of swapping drives, and the integrated ILO BIOS level access.We can support remote sites with ease. If a drive dies we get a notification, a new one is sent and a non-techie can replace it with guidance.No onsite visit. That is worth potentially thousands of dollars. We also leave a recovery CD there that can be inserted if we need to rebuild the system remotely. Never had to, but it's worked in the lab. -D This message was sent from D2 Technology, INC. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question
Notifications can be done either thru SNMP traps or SMTP. Insight Manager is free from HP, but any SNMP trapper can work with alerts. The recovery CD is just a build that reloads the majority of the system with a static ip. We backup off site to one of our servers via FTP. ILO access is an integrated IP KVM. So you can see the machine boot, get virtual media access, etc. O/S is CentOS. For smaller systems, RAID 1, and for larger DL380 based systems 0+1 -D -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Baker Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 8:02 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question How do you get notifications ? Is this thru one of the add on packages HP sells for the box ? Which One ? Could you be more specific about what you mean by a recovery CD and hod do you get console access below multi used to do recovery ?? What is integrated ILO BIOS Access sounds cool. What O/S you usin and what made you pick it ? What kind and how many RAIDS are you using. The HP site gave like 8 different RAID controllers and like 20 CPUs to chose from. How did you chose ? Thx for sharing !!! Darren Wright wrote: One of the major reasons we use DL320 / DL380's is the ease of swapping drives, and the integrated ILO BIOS level access.We can support remote sites with ease. If a drive dies we get a notification, a new one is sent and a non- techie can replace it with guidance.No onsite visit. That is worth potentially thousands of dollars. We also leave a recovery CD there that can be inserted if we need to rebuild the system remotely. Never had to, but it's worked in the lab. -D This message was sent from D2 Technology, INC. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users This message was sent from D2 Technology, INC. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question
I've got two DL385s and a DL320, and they all rock. iLO especially rocks, but to leverage the full functionality, you'll need to get the Advanced License, which opens up full blown remote console capabilities (via Java). It's a separate piece of hardware that, as long as the server PSUs have power flowing into them, lets you do things like remotely power on/off/reset the machine (referred to as virtual power), monitor OS crashes (picks up Windows BSoDs and NetWare ABENDShaven't Oopsed Linux on one yet). iLO's allowed me to do everything from BIOS upgrades to fixing NetWare boot issues all from the comfort of my home at 3am in the morning. The build quality is superb...more metal than plastic, so they can weight a bit more, but I expect that of my servers versus desktop boxes. I myself use RAID5 in my DL385 G1's (AMD Opteron), which hold up to six Ultra 320 SCSI drives, on a HP SmartArray controller (64MB of cache thoughneed to upgrade that). The DL320 is a RAID1 on 2x 10k rpm SAS drives, on a...P400 I think w/ 256MB of cache. All battery backed. OS Support is great so far. Just check HP's site for the Proliant Support Packs specific to an OS, as they sometimes provide better drivers than what ships stock w/ the OS (this is especially true for NetWare). --J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Al Baker Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 8:02 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question How do you get notifications ? Is this thru one of the add on packages HP sells for the box ? Which One ? Could you be more specific about what you mean by a recovery CD and hod do you get console access below multi used to do recovery ?? What is integrated ILO BIOS Access sounds cool. What O/S you usin and what made you pick it ? What kind and how many RAIDS are you using. The HP site gave like 8 different RAID controllers and like 20 CPUs to chose from. How did you chose ? Thx for sharing !!! Darren Wright wrote: One of the major reasons we use DL320 / DL380's is the ease of swapping drives, and the integrated ILO BIOS level access.We can support remote sites with ease. If a drive dies we get a notification, a new one is sent and a non-techie can replace it with guidance.No onsite visit. That is worth potentially thousands of dollars. We also leave a recovery CD there that can be inserted if we need to rebuild the system remotely. Never had to, but it's worked in the lab. -D This message was sent from D2 Technology, INC. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question
On 08:02, Thu 27 Mar 08, Al Baker wrote: How do you get notifications ? Is this thru one of the add on packages HP sells for the box ? Which One ? Could you be more specific about what you mean by a recovery CD and hod do you get console access below multi used to do recovery ?? What is integrated ILO BIOS Access sounds cool. What O/S you usin and what made you pick it ? What kind and how many RAIDS are you using. The HP site gave like 8 different RAID controllers and like 20 CPUs to chose from. How did you chose ? Thx for sharing !!! I'm not the op, but sending a reply anyways. The notifications come from the HP tools you can download for free from their website. The recovery cd is probably a selfmade installer for their setup. At least that's what we have. the ILO stuff is to give you access to the box like you were sitting right in front of it with a physical keyboard and monitor, but over IP. You can boot the machine, access the cd in your local machine etc, even if the box is on the other side of the moon. We use Debian. HP even supports it on their DL380 boxen. We use the P400 raid controller. Setup RAID5 with 3 disks. CPU we use right now is the Intel E5405 Hope this helps a bit. -- Michiel van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://michiel.vanbaak.eu GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x71C946BD Why is it drug addicts and computer aficionados are both called users? ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question
One of the major reasons we use DL320 / DL380's is the ease of swapping drives, and the integrated ILO BIOS level access.We can support remote sites with ease. If a drive dies we get a notification, a new one is sent and a non-techie can replace it with guidance.No onsite visit. That is worth potentially thousands of dollars. We also leave a recovery CD there that can be inserted if we need to rebuild the system remotely. Never had to, but it's worked in the lab. -D This message was sent from D2 Technology, INC. winmail.dat___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question
You don't have to build Supermicro stuff yourself if you don't want to. Most Supermicro dealers do it for you if you buy all the parts from them. It's true that what your doing with Dell/HP is paying for emotional support. When it comes to PBX's you not getting any value paying for Dell/HP support. If your getting good stuff you should never need their hardware replacement warranty either. -Original Message- From: Jesse Molina [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:11 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question If you can't troubleshoot a hardware problem, then you should definitely not be thinking about this. Going with a support-yourself plan is not for everyone, especially if you don't have good hands-on hardware ability local to where the systems are. The cost savings can be significant enough that you don't' need to worry about third party support. Just buy some cold-spare systems. Out of eight servers, you can buy three spares and still have money left over -- assuming a three year life span for the systems and related support costs. This is true on 1U and 2U systems -- I'm not sure about larger stuff. After all, what are Dell/IBM/HP-Compaq going to do for you, other than replace the hardware? Nothing. They don't support your custom software and configurations, just hardware. Yank the hard drives, RAID controller, install in a spare system, and you're up and running again. Figure out what went wrong on the old system later. If it's under warranty, get it RMAed at your leisure. If it's not, you've got another two spare systems on the shelf, waiting there 24x7 just for you. Once again, it's not for everyone. If you don't feel comfortable with it, don't do it! It works for some businesses, not for others. It depends on who is supporting your servers. If IBM supports your servers, get IBM support. If you support your servers... then why are you paying them to do nothing??? Don't pay for emotional support. On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 06:55:10PM -0400, Al Baker wrote: ok - but, who do you call for HW problem ? HP has all levels of warranties all depending on how much $$ you want to spend. What do you do if you buy and install Supermicro ? HP also has 24x7 support center , again not for free, what do you do with Supermicro ??? I am really interested because I hear a lot of folks putting * on them but I never have worked on them while I have put in bunch of HPs really big boxes.. Thx for sharing your experience Matthew Gibson wrote: I've had good luck with these guys: http://rackmountsetc.com/ supermicro have never failed me yet. On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Jesse Molina [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want barebones where you add your own processor, RAM, hard drives, and options, try SuperMicro brand servers. They are thousands of dollars less than the big (fat) names like IBM and HP/Compaq, but very good quality. I've built several clusters of computers with SuperMicro systems. They are great if you want to do barebones, clusters, or other special projects. It just takes a little more time to do the assembly work. Try newegg.com http://newegg.com for some sample pricing. -- # Jesse Molina # Mail = [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Page = [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Cell = 1.602.323.7608 # Web = http://www.opendreams.net/jesse/ ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question
Supermicro with hotswap bays and KVM card does the same thing. From: Darren Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 5:15 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question One of the major reasons we use DL320 / DL380's is the ease of swapping drives, and the integrated ILO BIOS level access.We can support remote sites with ease. If a drive dies we get a notification, a new one is sent and a non-techie can replace it with guidance.No onsite visit. That is worth potentially thousands of dollars. We also leave a recovery CD there that can be inserted if we need to rebuild the system remotely. Never had to, but it's worked in the lab. -D This message was sent from D2 Technology, INC. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question
Steve - Where are you buying your HPDL380 's ? I may need quite a # of these for a new project. What factors were the Most Important to you in selecting this product ? What, if anything, is there any you do NOT like about these boxes ? How many have you deployed ? What is the largest box you have deployed ? Who does your hardware maintenance ? HP ?? Thx for sharing !!! Steve Totaro wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had it with Dell server garbage.They seem to change RAID controllers as much as I change socks, and then the controllers don't work with Linux, unless you load a new driver.They sell servers with a PCI-e slot in them, but then you get it and find out the RAID controller is using the PCI-e slot! Their sales folks are dumber than rocks, and they change them more often than I change underwear. [end rant]. Can anyone recommend an IBM or Gateway server that you have used with Asterisk and are happy with, and which will support RAID-1 or RAID-5 and has room for one or two PCI-express interface cards? HP DL380 is my baby. Thanks, Steve Totaro ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question
Well it greatly depends on your budget. CDW or PCConnection are my usual providers of server hardware. I like PCConnection, because I have a very good relationship with my sales rep and he will often drop VAR pricing further without being asked or with a small hint about the price. In a pinch, I have found a guy on Ebay that sells refurbed DL 3XX servers that are supposedly great servers. They work for me in the situation where required, although, never a first suggestion. The most important features are the fact that PCConnection/CDW are very quick (overnight) to provided support on the boxes. HP servers are rock solid (not like HP/Compaq desktops or especially laptops), their servers have given my no problems. I would try to get a cool sales rep at PCConnection and in initial conversations, mention that you are going to purchase that many servers and never just accept the price, at least not with my rep, they negotiate. My largest deployment was seven HP DL320s for TDM to SIP gateways (HP DL320s with Sangmona quad port T1 cards, Two DL380s maxed out to handle a callcenter application/CRM integration, and the second to handle recording and archiving EVER call into the call center. Several hundreds simultaneous calls without using Asterisk MixMonitor, my recording solution is totally separate from Asterisk that has no potential of crashing the call center itself, just the possibility of losingin recordings. What I really like about the DL380 is the ability to have multiple power supplies and several slots for your RAID preferences. Thanks, Steve Totaro On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 4:38 AM, Al Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve - Where are you buying your HPDL380 's ? I may need quite a # of these for a new project. What factors were the Most Important to you in selecting this product ? What, if anything, is there any you do NOT like about these boxes ? How many have you deployed ? What is the largest box you have deployed ? Who does your hardware maintenance ? HP ?? Thx for sharing !!! Steve Totaro wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had it with Dell server garbage.They seem to change RAID controllers as much as I change socks, and then the controllers don't work with Linux, unless you load a new driver.They sell servers with a PCI-e slot in them, but then you get it and find out the RAID controller is using the PCI-e slot! Their sales folks are dumber than rocks, and they change them more often than I change underwear. [end rant]. Can anyone recommend an IBM or Gateway server that you have used with Asterisk and are happy with, and which will support RAID-1 or RAID-5 and has room for one or two PCI-express interface cards? HP DL380 is my baby. Thanks, Steve Totaro ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question
If you want barebones where you add your own processor, RAM, hard drives, and options, try SuperMicro brand servers. They are thousands of dollars less than the big (fat) names like IBM and HP/Compaq, but very good quality. I've built several clusters of computers with SuperMicro systems. They are great if you want to do barebones, clusters, or other special projects. It just takes a little more time to do the assembly work. Try newegg.com for some sample pricing. On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 04:38:43AM -0400, Al Baker wrote: Steve - Where are you buying your HPDL380 's ? I may need quite a # of these for a new project. What factors were the Most Important to you in selecting this product ? What, if anything, is there any you do NOT like about these boxes ? How many have you deployed ? What is the largest box you have deployed ? Who does your hardware maintenance ? HP ?? Thx for sharing !!! Steve Totaro wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had it with Dell server garbage.They seem to change RAID controllers as much as I change socks, and then the controllers don't work with Linux, unless you load a new driver.They sell servers with a PCI-e slot in them, but then you get it and find out the RAID controller is using the PCI-e slot! Their sales folks are dumber than rocks, and they change them more often than I change underwear. [end rant]. Can anyone recommend an IBM or Gateway server that you have used with Asterisk and are happy with, and which will support RAID-1 or RAID-5 and has room for one or two PCI-express interface cards? HP DL380 is my baby. Thanks, Steve Totaro ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- # Jesse Molina # Mail = [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Page = [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Cell = 1.602.323.7608 # Web = http://www.opendreams.net/jesse/ ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question
I've had good luck with these guys: http://rackmountsetc.com/ supermicro have never failed me yet. On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Jesse Molina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want barebones where you add your own processor, RAM, hard drives, and options, try SuperMicro brand servers. They are thousands of dollars less than the big (fat) names like IBM and HP/Compaq, but very good quality. I've built several clusters of computers with SuperMicro systems. They are great if you want to do barebones, clusters, or other special projects. It just takes a little more time to do the assembly work. Try newegg.com for some sample pricing. On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 04:38:43AM -0400, Al Baker wrote: Steve - Where are you buying your HPDL380 's ? I may need quite a # of these for a new project. What factors were the Most Important to you in selecting this product ? What, if anything, is there any you do NOT like about these boxes ? How many have you deployed ? What is the largest box you have deployed ? Who does your hardware maintenance ? HP ?? Thx for sharing !!! Steve Totaro wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had it with Dell server garbage.They seem to change RAID controllers as much as I change socks, and then the controllers don't work with Linux, unless you load a new driver.They sell servers with a PCI-e slot in them, but then you get it and find out the RAID controller is using the PCI-e slot! Their sales folks are dumber than rocks, and they change them more often than I change underwear. [end rant]. Can anyone recommend an IBM or Gateway server that you have used with Asterisk and are happy with, and which will support RAID-1 or RAID-5 and has room for one or two PCI-express interface cards? HP DL380 is my baby. Thanks, Steve Totaro ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- # Jesse Molina # Mail = [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Page = [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Cell = 1.602.323.7608 # Web = http://www.opendreams.net/jesse/ ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question
ok - but, who do you call for HW problem ? HP has all levels of warranties all depending on how much $$ you want to spend. What do you do if you buy and install Supermicro ? HP also has 24x7 support center , again not for free, what do you do with Supermicro ??? I am really interested because I hear a lot of folks putting * on them but I never have worked on them while I have put in bunch of HPs really big boxes.. Thx for sharing your experience Matthew Gibson wrote: I've had good luck with these guys: http://rackmountsetc.com/ supermicro have never failed me yet. On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Jesse Molina [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want barebones where you add your own processor, RAM, hard drives, and options, try SuperMicro brand servers. They are thousands of dollars less than the big (fat) names like IBM and HP/Compaq, but very good quality. I've built several clusters of computers with SuperMicro systems. They are great if you want to do barebones, clusters, or other special projects. It just takes a little more time to do the assembly work. Try newegg.com http://newegg.com for some sample pricing. On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 04:38:43AM -0400, Al Baker wrote: Steve - Where are you buying your HPDL380 's ? I may need quite a # of these for a new project. What factors were the Most Important to you in selecting this product ? What, if anything, is there any you do NOT like about these boxes ? How many have you deployed ? What is the largest box you have deployed ? Who does your hardware maintenance ? HP ?? Thx for sharing !!! Steve Totaro wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had it with Dell server garbage.They seem to change RAID controllers as much as I change socks, and then the controllers don't work with Linux, unless you load a new driver.They sell servers with a PCI-e slot in them, but then you get it and find out the RAID controller is using the PCI-e slot! Their sales folks are dumber than rocks, and they change them more often than I change underwear. [end rant]. Can anyone recommend an IBM or Gateway server that you have used with Asterisk and are happy with, and which will support RAID-1 or RAID-5 and has room for one or two PCI-express interface cards? HP DL380 is my baby. Thanks, Steve Totaro ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- # Jesse Molina # Mail = [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] # Page = [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] # Cell = 1.602.323.7608 # Web = http://www.opendreams.net/jesse/ ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Had it with Dell Garbage - HP Question
If you can't troubleshoot a hardware problem, then you should definitely not be thinking about this. Going with a support-yourself plan is not for everyone, especially if you don't have good hands-on hardware ability local to where the systems are. The cost savings can be significant enough that you don't' need to worry about third party support. Just buy some cold-spare systems. Out of eight servers, you can buy three spares and still have money left over -- assuming a three year life span for the systems and related support costs. This is true on 1U and 2U systems -- I'm not sure about larger stuff. After all, what are Dell/IBM/HP-Compaq going to do for you, other than replace the hardware? Nothing. They don't support your custom software and configurations, just hardware. Yank the hard drives, RAID controller, install in a spare system, and you're up and running again. Figure out what went wrong on the old system later. If it's under warranty, get it RMAed at your leisure. If it's not, you've got another two spare systems on the shelf, waiting there 24x7 just for you. Once again, it's not for everyone. If you don't feel comfortable with it, don't do it! It works for some businesses, not for others. It depends on who is supporting your servers. If IBM supports your servers, get IBM support. If you support your servers... then why are you paying them to do nothing??? Don't pay for emotional support. On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 06:55:10PM -0400, Al Baker wrote: ok - but, who do you call for HW problem ? HP has all levels of warranties all depending on how much $$ you want to spend. What do you do if you buy and install Supermicro ? HP also has 24x7 support center , again not for free, what do you do with Supermicro ??? I am really interested because I hear a lot of folks putting * on them but I never have worked on them while I have put in bunch of HPs really big boxes.. Thx for sharing your experience Matthew Gibson wrote: I've had good luck with these guys: http://rackmountsetc.com/ supermicro have never failed me yet. On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Jesse Molina [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want barebones where you add your own processor, RAM, hard drives, and options, try SuperMicro brand servers. They are thousands of dollars less than the big (fat) names like IBM and HP/Compaq, but very good quality. I've built several clusters of computers with SuperMicro systems. They are great if you want to do barebones, clusters, or other special projects. It just takes a little more time to do the assembly work. Try newegg.com http://newegg.com for some sample pricing. -- # Jesse Molina # Mail = [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Page = [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Cell = 1.602.323.7608 # Web = http://www.opendreams.net/jesse/ ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
