On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:11:00AM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote:
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 01:25:18PM -0400, Alex Balashov wrote:
Is there a
LLCs?
On 6/16/08, Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 11:13:31PM -0400, C F wrote:
Happens in the commercial world all the time; it's a common way to get
cash out of the corporation -- a business's building is owned by the
corporation's owners, and rented to
You are probably confusing corporate tactics to pay less taxes vs
corporate tactics to protect assets. The first does provide some
asset protection but is mainly to pay less taxes. The second is to
basically hide assets through totally legal LLCs.
Thanks,
Steve Totaro
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:00:18PM -0400, C F wrote:
On 6/16/08, Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 11:13:31PM -0400, C F wrote:
Happens in the commercial world all the time; it's a common way to get
cash out of the corporation -- a business's building is
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:00:18PM -0400, C F wrote:
On 6/16/08, Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 11:13:31PM -0400, C F wrote:
Happens in the commercial world all the time; it's a
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 01:05:59PM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote:
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:00:18PM -0400, C F wrote:
On 6/16/08, Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 11:13:31PM -0400, C F
The asset protection entities are completely legal. There's nothing
wrong ipso facto with doing it.
The question is only whether they will succeed in protecting your assets
when your assets are actually challenged. It depends on the size and
scope of the judgment, the circumstances in which
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Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] World Cheapest Predictive Dialer!
Hello,
I am not suggesting that the USA's laws exist outside of the USA, I
can imagine the horrible problems that would cause in the rest of
world. I wanted to point out that if you are using this service
.
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Sent: June 13, 2008 8:20 AM
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Hello,
I am
.
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Sent: June 13, 2008 8:20 AM
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Hello,
I am not suggesting
My questions was to the fact that JRA mentioned he knows at least 3
owners. to which I asked if it was LLCs or other type of
corporations, since LLCs have different rules. What I mentioned about
it being illegal is for non LLC type of corporations, but for most of
the other types of
the call
be routed/billed as?
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Sent: June 17, 2008 4:55 PM
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I can set
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I can set to anything on my Qwest circuit. All zeros or whatever,
just has
electrons on this sill email chain.
Cheers,
Dean
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My questions was to the fact that JRA mentioned he knows
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 01:25:18PM -0400, Alex Balashov wrote:
Is there a contradiction between them?
Naw; Steve's just showin' his ass again.
Cheers,
-- jra
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Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Designer The Things I Think
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 11:13:31PM -0400, C F wrote:
Happens in the commercial world all the time; it's a common way to get
cash out of the corporation -- a business's building is owned by the
corporation's owners, and rented to the corporation.
This is actually illegal in some states and
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 01:25:18PM -0400, Alex Balashov wrote:
Is there a contradiction between them?
Naw; Steve's just showin' his ass again.
Cheers,
-- jra
Nah, just showing various tactics, sure some contradict
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:11:00AM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote:
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 01:25:18PM -0400, Alex Balashov wrote:
Is there a contradiction between them?
Naw; Steve's just showin' his ass again.
Nah,
Your original quote that was conveniently snipped
I'm quite certain this is already obvious and will simply be interpreted
as a tautological affirmation of the obvious, but such co-mingling of
personal and business assets -- whether with an evidently fraudalent
purpose or not as such -- will
400 class! I'm in! haha
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Totaro
Sent: June 15, 2008 9:10 AM
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Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] World Cheapest Predictive Dialer!
Your original
Is there a contradiction between them?
Steve Totaro wrote:
Your original quote that was conveniently snipped
I'm quite certain this is already obvious and will simply be interpreted
as a tautological affirmation of the obvious, but such co-mingling of
personal and business assets --
Steve Totaro wrote:
It is a legitimate real estate company renting you a place to live.
This asset protection tactic has been around for a very long time and
is legit. Totally separate entities.
Well, certainly, and some of the time this asset protection tactic works
-- somewhat, but not
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:39:46AM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote:
[ Alex: ]
I'm quite certain this is already obvious and will simply be interpreted
as a tautological affirmation of the obvious, but such co-mingling of
Hello,
This looks an awful lot like an advertisement for a commercial
product, which is only allowed on the biz list. Which you already
posted this message to this week.
I'm kind of confused. How do you get cheaper than free? Are you paying
people to use your dialer?
One other thing, it is
My guess is that they are outside of the FTC's jurisdiction.
Thanks,
Steve T
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:15 AM, Matt Florell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
This looks an awful lot like an advertisement for a commercial
product, which is only allowed on the biz list. Which you already
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My guess is that they are outside of the FTC's jurisdiction.
Thanks,
Steve T
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:15 AM, Matt Florell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote
7:06 AM
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My guess is that they are outside of the FTC's jurisdiction.
Thanks,
Steve T
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:15 AM, Matt Florell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote
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My guess is that they are outside of the FTC's jurisdiction.
Thanks,
Steve T
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:15 AM, Matt Florell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote
A large portion of these companies are doing lead-generation for
USA-based companies, and over the years a lot of those USA-based
companies have been shut down for the activities of their lead
suppliers.
MATT---
Source please? I'm calling bullshit.
If an incroporated entitiy outside of the
] On Behalf Of Steve
Totaro
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My guess is that they are outside of the FTC's jurisdiction.
Thanks,
Steve T
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] World Cheapest Predictive Dialer!
My guess is that they are outside of the FTC's jurisdiction.
Thanks,
Steve T
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:15 AM, Matt Florell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote
You are correct, a company that is outside of the USA does not fall
under the laws of the USA. I said that myself.
I also said that a company that is INSIDE of the USA or has operations
INSIDE of the USA is subject to the laws of the USA.
This includes companies that are based in the USA that
That can be avoided by simply distancing yourself through various
corporate shell games. That's how the big boys do it.
A good corporate lawyer can advise how to do this, but basically you
setup a corporation that has no real assets that does business with
the overseas company directly. Then
] World Cheapest Predictive Dialer!
That can be avoided by simply distancing yourself through various
corporate shell games. That's how the big boys do it.
A good corporate lawyer can advise how to do this, but basically you
setup a corporation that has no real assets that does business
Steve Totaro wrote:
It is similar to forming a corporation that owns your house and
generates revenue from you paying rent (mortgage) payments. It is
obviously a wash but your house is protected from any claims against
you personally since it is owned by a total legally separate corporate
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Alex Balashov
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Steve Totaro wrote:
It is similar to forming a corporation that owns your house and
generates revenue from you paying rent (mortgage) payments. It is
obviously a wash but your house is protected from any claims against
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That can be avoided by simply distancing yourself through various
corporate shell games. That's how the big boys do it.
A good corporate lawyer can advise how to do this, but basically you
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 07:55:14AM -0400, Dean Collins wrote:
Yep it's funny how few people on this list realize that the usa's
borders and laws stop 50 miles off the coast.
It's also surprising how few Americans realize that a company
incorporated internationally (Pakistan in this instance)
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 09:42:13AM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote:
It is similar to forming a corporation that owns your house and
generates revenue from you paying rent (mortgage) payments. It is
obviously a wash but your house is protected from any claims against
you personally since it is owned
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 09:42:13AM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote:
It is similar to forming a corporation that owns your house and
generates revenue from you paying rent (mortgage) payments. It is
obviously a wash but your
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:39:46AM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote:
[ Alex: ]
I'm quite certain this is already obvious and will simply be interpreted
as a tautological affirmation of the obvious, but such co-mingling of
personal and business assets -- whether with an evidently fraudalent
Yup.
But it'll cost you: at least in Florida, if a corporation owns your
home, you don't get the $25,000 homestead exemption on your property
taxes...
Don't forget that you aren't protected by the 3% limit on property
values, doesn't matter much now, but it did when the house across the
-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] World Cheapest Predictive Dialer!
Yep it's funny how few people on this list realize that the usa's
borders and laws stop 50 miles off the coast.
It's also surprising how few Americans realize that a company
incorporated internationally (Pakistan
Snip
wrote:
If that is the way you NEED to set things up then you are obviously
a
scumbag. (No referances to anyone on this list). If you start off
with
so many layers of shells, you obviously don't care what anyone
thinks of
you or your 'affiliated' companies.
I am just telling
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 07:55:14AM -0400, Dean Collins wrote:
Yep it's funny how few people on this list realize that the usa's
borders and laws stop 50 miles off the coast.
Another funny thing is how Internet infrastructure in the US is way
cheaper than infrastructure in, say, Pakistan. That
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That can be avoided by simply distancing yourself through various
corporate shell games. That's how the big boys do it.
A good corporate lawyer can advise how to do
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tzafrir
Cohen
Sent: Friday, 13 June 2008 1:54 PM
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
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On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 07:55:14AM -0400, Dean Collins
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 02:37:52PM -0400, Dean Collins wrote:
No it's called playing by the rules of the game set by politicians and
corporate leaders who set them.
The same politicials who set those nasty anti-spam laws?
--
Tzafrir Cohen
icq#16849755
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