Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration
On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:58:32 -0800, Brad Templeton wrote: On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 08:13:00AM -0500, Paul wrote: Some companies offer PSTN failover on DIDs, which I think is a good idea. Works at least if your equipment, or their middle equipment is down but doesn't work if the PSTN failover equipment itself is down. Vonage does offer PSTN failover if your ATA is not responding. But having an FXO box talk to your Vonage ATA is just nuts. I wholeheartedly agree! This sort of setup becomes the defining hardware in your Asterisk experience...small FXOs pretty much suck, which is why they've been a recurring topic on this list for litterally years. I dropped Vonage specifically because it doesn't make sense for me to pay $40/mo/each for my home office lines during periods when I'm travelling and not able to use the service. Yes, I know that they eventually offered soft phones in support of travellers, but I'm not THAT much enamored of such things that I wouldn't just reach for my cell phone when out of office. Besides, hotels are so variable in their networking that SIP soft phones probably can't be relied upon. OTOH, using an IAX soft phone has worked just ahout everywhere I've tried it. I even tried Firefly over IAX2 using iLBC on a POTS dialup to Covad in a pinch one day. I simply used the same account info that my server uses to passs calls to ITSPs like VOIPJet, Nufone and Voxee. That was purely experimental, and not something I'd ever do for business. Paying by the minute, even a slightly higher rate, works out cheaper for me. Not theoretically cheaper, actually cheaper. Michael ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration
It's the tos that probably saves the. - Original Message - From: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration Time Bandit wrote: $25/month will buy you close to 50 hours of urban SIP termination, it's down to half a cent in some of the big cities. Are you going to average 50 hours on the phone each month? Some people do, but most don't. (Otherwise Vonage could not even pretend it is going to make money.) You don't have a teenager in your home I guess ;) The teenager girl in my home can easily make more than 3000 minutes of call in a month ! The TV ads promote it as unlimited. If there are real cases where residential subscribers did not get unlimited residential service for the advertised price, why aren't any state attorney generals going after vonage? Maybe the answer is that no state is really liberal enough to protect the little guy from the big corporate fraudsters. Anyone here noticed how so many of the little voip companies are imitating vonage with the same false and deceptive advertising? How can we trust them if they can't take higher moral ground than vonage? The smaller company would be likely to invoke the fine print sooner if I had a few teenagers in the household using the unlimited service I bought for $25/month. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration
snip Don't be fooled by the flat rates of the locked-box providers. The real rates are so low these days most people pay less paying per minute than paying a Vonage style flat rate. In addition people report if you start making really heavy usage of your Vonage flat rate so that they are losing money on you, they notice and try to stop it. $25/month will buy you close to 50 hours of urban SIP termination, it's down to half a cent in some of the big cities. Are you going to average 50 hours on the phone each month? Some people do, but most don't. (Otherwise Vonage could not even pretend it is going to make money.) ./snip Like any other provider, look at Vonage's tos agreement. If you go over I believe 100 hours they slap you with a $50.00 fee. I have a provider that I pay $5.00 a month to for my did and they asked me to use up to 2-3 channels for incoming, however they never capped me. Once in a while I use up to 7-8 channels with no problem. ( I tested once with all the cell phones that I had and I got 10 channels at once !!). As for outbound I use voipjet which is 1.3 cents. Like it was said above if you do the math it may be worth it for you to drop vonage all together. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration
snip Vonage has 24/7 support. When my DID is out I don't want to wait until Monday morning. /snip Yup. They sure do. Support thay you can barely understand. Plus I would go with a provider that has no issues (of course every company has some down time). Been with one DID provider for 2 1/2 years and had only an issue once where for 30 minutes there was a network issue. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration
I dont believe that vonage lets you control that. - Original Message - From: Vijay Gandhi To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:11 PM Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration Thanks for all the feedback on the message, if i do the vonage integration using FXo card, is there any possibility of working on G729 or GSM codec, because linksys boxes by default use G711, which consumes hell lot of B/w. Regards Vijay Gandhi -Original Message- From: Al Bochter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:06 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration Brad Templeton, Thats a very good point. Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VOIP PBX) 1-866-638-1254 (Voip PBX) Free World DialUp: 780-217 WebSite: http://www.freeworlddialup.com/ We have Toll Free DID's instock * * * NO MONTHLY FEE - LIMITED TIME ONLY * * * http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=TF(NM)did BUY Coins, Silver and Gold http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=goldt=email For new and used security items http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=storet=email_security Paul wrote: Brad Templeton wrote: On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 11:36:12AM -0500, Al Bochter wrote: And if you get someone over at Vonage that knows that to do you can connect without the FXO It is like FWD you have to get the KEY from Vonage for this to work. And more to the point there are so many VoIP providers out there, most of them cheaper, who do not require you to use a locked ATA, and thus work great with Asterisk. I number will speak IAX or SIP at your desire. Don't be fooled by the flat rates of the locked-box providers. The real rates are so low these days most people pay less paying per minute than paying a Vonage style flat rate. In addition people report if you start making really heavy usage of your Vonage flat rate so that they are losing money on you, they notice and try to stop it. $25/month will buy you close to 50 hours of urban SIP termination, it's down to half a cent in some of the big cities. Are you going to average 50 hours on the phone each month? Some people do, but most don't. (Otherwise Vonage could not even pretend it is going to make money.) Vonage has 24/7 support. When my DID is out I don't want to wait until Monday morning. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Inbound (clean). Database: 0653-5, 12/05/2006 - 12/5/2006 3:56:28 PM -- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration
Dovid B wrote: snip Vonage has 24/7 support. When my DID is out I don't want to wait until Monday morning. /snip Yup. They sure do. Support thay you can barely understand. Plus I would go with a provider that has no issues (of course every company has some down time). Been with one DID provider for 2 1/2 years and had only an issue once where for 30 minutes there was a network issue. Yes, but what about the many DID providers that have no after hours support at all? The lack of it should be clearly stated before they take your money. I have used various termination and origination providers for development purposes. No way would I put a business user with them if they lack 24/7. They just aren't valid for such a market. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration
Paul wrote: Dovid B wrote: snip Vonage has 24/7 support. When my DID is out I don't want to wait until Monday morning. /snip Yup. They sure do. Support thay you can barely understand. Plus I would go with a provider that has no issues (of course every company has some down time). Been with one DID provider for 2 1/2 years and had only an issue once where for 30 minutes there was a network issue. Yes, but what about the many DID providers that have no after hours support at all? The lack of it should be clearly stated before they take your money. I have used various termination and origination providers for development purposes. No way would I put a business user with them if they lack 24/7. They just aren't valid for such a market. Also, I should have mentioned that many of these providers advertise business plans on their website. How can anyone honestly advertise phone, fax, email hosting, web hosting, etc. to the business community without 24/7 support? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration
On Dec 6, 2006, at 8:13 AM, Paul wrote: Also, I should have mentioned that many of these providers advertise business plans on their website. How can anyone honestly advertise phone, fax, email hosting, web hosting, etc. to the business community without 24/7 support? People should also keep in mind what is the definition of 24/7 support. Even the big telcos only offer a limited amount of 24/7 support. I have dealt with business accounts with MCI (ne: WorldCom, ne: LDDS) for eons, as well as Verizon (ne: Bell Atlantic) and GTE (before and after becoming part of Verizon), and SBC (ne: PacBell). In all of the above cases, yes, they have a 24/7 support line, but when it comes to actually fixing and addressing problems, unless it was a simple issue, it waited until the next business day to actually be worked on (save for physical line problems, then Saturday was an available day as well). But any after 5pm support (or often 3:30-4:00 on Friday's for Verizon), you could call and get your trouble ticket opened, but don't expect anything to be resolved until some time after 8am on the next day. In fact, I often could get residential non business issues addressed after hours faster and easier then business issues. Once the business office closed for the day, support for business problems all but stopped until they opened again. So going with anyone over someone else because of 24/7 support, you need to find out what kind of support you really get after hours. If you are just going to get someone that can take your call, tell you why yes, that is a problem, here is your ticket number, they will work on it in the morning, then are you really gaining anything over going with someone that only offers 9-5 support? Personally, my criteria for picking someone for business use isn't if they offer 24/7 support, but rather how reliable are they in the first place. I don't care that much about 24/7 support, because I want someone who I will never have to find out what support hours they offer :-) -chris www.mythtech.net ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration
- Original Message - From: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration Dovid B wrote: snip Vonage has 24/7 support. When my DID is out I don't want to wait until Monday morning. /snip Yup. They sure do. Support thay you can barely understand. Plus I would go with a provider that has no issues (of course every company has some down time). Been with one DID provider for 2 1/2 years and had only an issue once where for 30 minutes there was a network issue. Yes, but what about the many DID providers that have no after hours support at all? The lack of it should be clearly stated before they take your money. I have used various termination and origination providers for development purposes. No way would I put a business user with them if they lack 24/7. They just aren't valid for such a market. I couldnt agree with more. This is why I test providers over and over before I go live with them. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration
- Original Message - From: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration Paul wrote: Dovid B wrote: snip Vonage has 24/7 support. When my DID is out I don't want to wait until Monday morning. /snip Yup. They sure do. Support thay you can barely understand. Plus I would go with a provider that has no issues (of course every company has some down time). Been with one DID provider for 2 1/2 years and had only an issue once where for 30 minutes there was a network issue. Yes, but what about the many DID providers that have no after hours support at all? The lack of it should be clearly stated before they take your money. I have used various termination and origination providers for development purposes. No way would I put a business user with them if they lack 24/7. They just aren't valid for such a market. Also, I should have mentioned that many of these providers advertise business plans on their website. How can anyone honestly advertise phone, fax, email hosting, web hosting, etc. to the business community without 24/7 support? I think lots of small companies out source thier tech support. I had one client that does sales and billing in house and support requests are done via tickets however they are answerd with in minutes. (I know. nothing substitues for a live human being on the phone). ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration
On Wed, 2006-12-06 at 05:41 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:21:12 +0200 From: Dovid B [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original snip Don't be fooled by the flat rates of the locked-box providers. The real rates are so low these days most people pay less paying per minute than paying a Vonage style flat rate. In addition people report if you start making really heavy usage of your Vonage flat rate so that they are losing money on you, they notice and try to stop it. $25/month will buy you close to 50 hours of urban SIP termination, it's down to half a cent in some of the big cities. Are you going to average 50 hours on the phone each month? Some people do, but most don't. (Otherwise Vonage could not even pretend it is going to make money.) ./snip Like any other provider, look at Vonage's tos agreement. If you go over I believe 100 hours they slap you with a $50.00 fee. I have a provider that I pay $5.00 a month to for my did and they asked me to use up to 2-3 channels for incoming, however they never capped me. Once in a while I use up to 7-8 channels with no problem. ( I tested once with all the cell phones that I had and I got 10 channels at once !!). As for outbound I use voipjet which is 1.3 cents. Like it was said above if you do the math it may be worth it for you to drop vonage all together. I'm doing the math to find where Vonage and generic directly compete. If someone can check it to find any typo noise that I amplified with successive calculations, or other mistakes, I'd love to be corrected. But even on pure minutes, Vonage looks better than generic in the sweet spots. At $0.01:minute for each leg of US48 termination with a generic brand provider, $25:mo buys 41h:40m generic, or 20h:50m of 2-party calls generic. 100h generic would cost $120. If Vonage charges $25 for up to 99h:59m, that's already a savings of $94.99 (over 79% off). If Vonage charges $50 penalty at 100h, that's $75 for 100h, still $45 off (37.5% off). If that's the highest penalty threshold, then at the possible maximum (31d*24h*60m = 44,640m or 744h) monthly minutes would cost $892.80 generic, a maximum savings of $817.80 (over 91.5% off) at Vonage. Average monthly 43,830m or 730h:30m is $876.60 generic, so $75 Vonage save $801.60 (over 91% off). $24.99 buys 20h:49m generic, beating Vonage; Vonage is always cheaper than generic above that duration. Cheaper @$0.02:min 2-party calls: 00h:01m-20h:49m generic 20h:50m+ Vonage If minutes cost $0.005:minute per leg generic brand, $25 buys 41h:40m generic, 99h:59m Vonage. 100h generic is $60, Vonage is $75, so Vonage costs $15 more (125% of generic; generic is 20% off). $75 buys 125h generic, but up to 744h Vonage (730h:30m average monthly). $74.99 buys 124h:59m generic, but nothing more at Vonage than the 99h:59m that $25 buys. So at that half-cent minute rate, 41h:39m and less costs less than Vonage's minimum $25 (where $0.005 more buys you 99h59m). And generic is cheaper than Vonage for total average monthly usage from 100h:00m-124h:59m, from $0.01-$15 cheaper (from just over 0.01% to 20% off Vonage). Cheaper @$0.01:min 2-party calls: 00h:01m-41h:39m generic 41h:40m-99h:59m Vonage 100h:00m-124h:59m generic 125h+ Vonage Those values exclude the extra Vonage benefits, including their ATA (not necessarily a benefit locked down) and their 24x7 service, which is better than nothing. A second channel (with a 2nd DID) costs less than the first, so the savings are greater, probably wiping out the window of generic superiority. 3-way calling is cheaper, potentially beating generic by at least 33%. And Vonage offers faxing that works (better than Asterisk's), and I believe their 800# DIDs are cheaper. When adding all the countries Vonage has added to their flat rate calling area (including US50, not just US48), even Vonage's simple minutes charges are better. Which probably means that the generic minutes cost is higher than it needs to be. Probably mostly inefficiencies in the provider/consumer market, higher sales transaction costs (including less actuarized risks) among more reseller layers than necessary. Vonage statistically oversubscribes all those $25:100h transatlantic accounts, subsidizing them with most people calling within their areacode maxxing out at below 30-60h ($18-36 generic @$0.005:min, or $27) each month. Or it's all just a stock scam to enrich Jeffrey Citron with another Bubble-type equity sale on a losing business, which a lot of people are saying. But the competition will still drive generic minutes rates lower, especially outside US48 where $0.01:min is rare, even
RE: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration
must say very nice deep calcutaion Regards Vijay Gandhi -Original Message- From: Matthew Rubenstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:29 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration On Wed, 2006-12-06 at 05:41 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:21:12 +0200 From: Dovid B [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original snip Don't be fooled by the flat rates of the locked-box providers. The real rates are so low these days most people pay less paying per minute than paying a Vonage style flat rate. In addition people report if you start making really heavy usage of your Vonage flat rate so that they are losing money on you, they notice and try to stop it. $25/month will buy you close to 50 hours of urban SIP termination, it's down to half a cent in some of the big cities. Are you going to average 50 hours on the phone each month? Some people do, but most don't. (Otherwise Vonage could not even pretend it is going to make money.) ./snip Like any other provider, look at Vonage's tos agreement. If you go over I believe 100 hours they slap you with a $50.00 fee. I have a provider that I pay $5.00 a month to for my did and they asked me to use up to 2-3 channels for incoming, however they never capped me. Once in a while I use up to 7-8 channels with no problem. ( I tested once with all the cell phones that I had and I got 10 channels at once !!). As for outbound I use voipjet which is 1.3 cents. Like it was said above if you do the math it may be worth it for you to drop vonage all together. I'm doing the math to find where Vonage and generic directly compete. If someone can check it to find any typo noise that I amplified with successive calculations, or other mistakes, I'd love to be corrected. But even on pure minutes, Vonage looks better than generic in the sweet spots. At $0.01:minute for each leg of US48 termination with a generic brand provider, $25:mo buys 41h:40m generic, or 20h:50m of 2-party calls generic. 100h generic would cost $120. If Vonage charges $25 for up to 99h:59m, that's already a savings of $94.99 (over 79% off). If Vonage charges $50 penalty at 100h, that's $75 for 100h, still $45 off (37.5% off). If that's the highest penalty threshold, then at the possible maximum (31d*24h*60m = 44,640m or 744h) monthly minutes would cost $892.80 generic, a maximum savings of $817.80 (over 91.5% off) at Vonage. Average monthly 43,830m or 730h:30m is $876.60 generic, so $75 Vonage save $801.60 (over 91% off). $24.99 buys 20h:49m generic, beating Vonage; Vonage is always cheaper than generic above that duration. Cheaper @$0.02:min 2-party calls: 00h:01m-20h:49m generic 20h:50m+ Vonage If minutes cost $0.005:minute per leg generic brand, $25 buys 41h:40m generic, 99h:59m Vonage. 100h generic is $60, Vonage is $75, so Vonage costs $15 more (125% of generic; generic is 20% off). $75 buys 125h generic, but up to 744h Vonage (730h:30m average monthly). $74.99 buys 124h:59m generic, but nothing more at Vonage than the 99h:59m that $25 buys. So at that half-cent minute rate, 41h:39m and less costs less than Vonage's minimum $25 (where $0.005 more buys you 99h59m). And generic is cheaper than Vonage for total average monthly usage from 100h:00m-124h:59m, from $0.01-$15 cheaper (from just over 0.01% to 20% off Vonage). Cheaper @$0.01:min 2-party calls: 00h:01m-41h:39m generic 41h:40m-99h:59m Vonage 100h:00m-124h:59m generic 125h+ Vonage Those values exclude the extra Vonage benefits, including their ATA (not necessarily a benefit locked down) and their 24x7 service, which is better than nothing. A second channel (with a 2nd DID) costs less than the first, so the savings are greater, probably wiping out the window of generic superiority. 3-way calling is cheaper, potentially beating generic by at least 33%. And Vonage offers faxing that works (better than Asterisk's), and I believe their 800# DIDs are cheaper. When adding all the countries Vonage has added to their flat rate calling area (including US50, not just US48), even Vonage's simple minutes charges are better. Which probably means that the generic minutes cost is higher than it needs to be. Probably mostly inefficiencies in the provider/consumer market, higher sales transaction costs (including less actuarized risks) among more reseller layers than necessary. Vonage statistically oversubscribes all those $25:100h transatlantic accounts, subsidizing them with most people calling within their areacode maxxing out at below 30-60h ($18-36 generic @$0.005:min
RE: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration
On Wed, 2006-12-06 at 13:03 -0500, Vijay Gandhi wrote: must say very nice deep calcutaion Thank you. Did you test it for errors? There's also a factor of 6/6 (or whatever) billing vs Vonage $25/75 flat, which can save in generic bills. It might even save an average of about 10%, if calls average 5min, more/less for shorter/longer average calls. But again, any price savings competes with Vonage's simplicity, basic reliability, zero overhead costs, and support services, as well as other calling features and their include ongoing operational costs. Regards Vijay Gandhi -Original Message- From: Matthew Rubenstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:29 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration On Wed, 2006-12-06 at 05:41 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:21:12 +0200 From: Dovid B [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original snip Don't be fooled by the flat rates of the locked-box providers. The real rates are so low these days most people pay less paying per minute than paying a Vonage style flat rate. In addition people report if you start making really heavy usage of your Vonage flat rate so that they are losing money on you, they notice and try to stop it. $25/month will buy you close to 50 hours of urban SIP termination, it's down to half a cent in some of the big cities. Are you going to average 50 hours on the phone each month? Some people do, but most don't. (Otherwise Vonage could not even pretend it is going to make money.) ./snip Like any other provider, look at Vonage's tos agreement. If you go over I believe 100 hours they slap you with a $50.00 fee. I have a provider that I pay $5.00 a month to for my did and they asked me to use up to 2-3 channels for incoming, however they never capped me. Once in a while I use up to 7-8 channels with no problem. ( I tested once with all the cell phones that I had and I got 10 channels at once !!). As for outbound I use voipjet which is 1.3 cents. Like it was said above if you do the math it may be worth it for you to drop vonage all together. I'm doing the math to find where Vonage and generic directly compete. If someone can check it to find any typo noise that I amplified with successive calculations, or other mistakes, I'd love to be corrected. But even on pure minutes, Vonage looks better than generic in the sweet spots. At $0.01:minute for each leg of US48 termination with a generic brand provider, $25:mo buys 41h:40m generic, or 20h:50m of 2-party calls generic. 100h generic would cost $120. If Vonage charges $25 for up to 99h:59m, that's already a savings of $94.99 (over 79% off). If Vonage charges $50 penalty at 100h, that's $75 for 100h, still $45 off (37.5% off). If that's the highest penalty threshold, then at the possible maximum (31d*24h*60m = 44,640m or 744h) monthly minutes would cost $892.80 generic, a maximum savings of $817.80 (over 91.5% off) at Vonage. Average monthly 43,830m or 730h:30m is $876.60 generic, so $75 Vonage save $801.60 (over 91% off). $24.99 buys 20h:49m generic, beating Vonage; Vonage is always cheaper than generic above that duration. Cheaper @$0.02:min 2-party calls: 00h:01m-20h:49m generic 20h:50m+ Vonage If minutes cost $0.005:minute per leg generic brand, $25 buys 41h:40m generic, 99h:59m Vonage. 100h generic is $60, Vonage is $75, so Vonage costs $15 more (125% of generic; generic is 20% off). $75 buys 125h generic, but up to 744h Vonage (730h:30m average monthly). $74.99 buys 124h:59m generic, but nothing more at Vonage than the 99h:59m that $25 buys. So at that half-cent minute rate, 41h:39m and less costs less than Vonage's minimum $25 (where $0.005 more buys you 99h59m). And generic is cheaper than Vonage for total average monthly usage from 100h:00m-124h:59m, from $0.01-$15 cheaper (from just over 0.01% to 20% off Vonage). Cheaper @$0.01:min 2-party calls: 00h:01m-41h:39m generic 41h:40m-99h:59m Vonage 100h:00m-124h:59m generic 125h+ Vonage Those values exclude the extra Vonage benefits, including their ATA (not necessarily a benefit locked down) and their 24x7 service, which is better than nothing. A second channel (with a 2nd DID) costs less than the first, so the savings are greater, probably wiping out the window of generic superiority. 3-way calling is cheaper, potentially beating generic by at least 33%. And Vonage offers faxing that works (better than Asterisk's), and I believe their 800# DIDs
Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration
On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 08:13:00AM -0500, Paul wrote: Also, I should have mentioned that many of these providers advertise business plans on their website. How can anyone honestly advertise phone, fax, email hosting, web hosting, etc. to the business community without 24/7 support? I like 24/7 support, but I would have to guess that most businesses would be mostly interested in support during working hours (which is more like 6am to 11pm for most companies.) Not that there aren't employees around at night sometimes, but I'm just talking about what's most important. I think with any company, Vonage included, it is good to have a redundant backup, for when their network or your network is down. Be it a PSTN line or a cell phone. Some companies offer PSTN failover on DIDs, which I think is a good idea. Works at least if your equipment, or their middle equipment is down but doesn't work if the PSTN failover equipment itself is down. Vonage does offer PSTN failover if your ATA is not responding. But having an FXO box talk to your Vonage ATA is just nuts. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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$25/month will buy you close to 50 hours of urban SIP termination, it's down to half a cent in some of the big cities. Are you going to average 50 hours on the phone each month? Some people do, but most don't. (Otherwise Vonage could not even pretend it is going to make money.) You don't have a teenager in your home I guess ;) The teenager girl in my home can easily make more than 3000 minutes of call in a month ! ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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I found the link for Vonage Integration with Asterisk http://www.vonage-business-plus.com/ Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VOIP PBX) 1-866-638-1254 (Voip PBX) Free World DialUp: 780-217 WebSite: http://www.freeworlddialup.com/ We have Toll Free DID's instock * * * NO MONTHLY FEE - LIMITED TIME ONLY * * * http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=TF(NM)did BUY Coins, Silver and Gold http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=goldt=email For new and used security items http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=storet=email_security Vijay Gandhi wrote: Hello, Is there any possibility of integrating plans of vonage with asterisk. Regards Vijay Gandhi ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Inbound (clean). Database: 0653-2, 12/04/2006 - 12/5/2006 12:58:38 AM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Time Bandit wrote: $25/month will buy you close to 50 hours of urban SIP termination, it's down to half a cent in some of the big cities. Are you going to average 50 hours on the phone each month? Some people do, but most don't. (Otherwise Vonage could not even pretend it is going to make money.) You don't have a teenager in your home I guess ;) The teenager girl in my home can easily make more than 3000 minutes of call in a month ! The TV ads promote it as unlimited. If there are real cases where residential subscribers did not get unlimited residential service for the advertised price, why aren't any state attorney generals going after vonage? Maybe the answer is that no state is really liberal enough to protect the little guy from the big corporate fraudsters. Anyone here noticed how so many of the little voip companies are imitating vonage with the same false and deceptive advertising? How can we trust them if they can't take higher moral ground than vonage? The smaller company would be likely to invoke the fine print sooner if I had a few teenagers in the household using the unlimited service I bought for $25/month. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On 12/6/06, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Time Bandit wrote: The TV ads promote it as unlimited. If there are real cases where residential subscribers did not get unlimited residential service for the advertised price, why aren't any state attorney generals going after vonage? Vonage clearly states that unlimited is not unlimited (not in their commercials, of course). I didn't have a bit of problems finding it. Their unlimited for business seems quite a bit too low for me, but then again, that's just my opinion, maybe businesses no longer use phones. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Lacy Moore - Aspendora wrote: On 12/6/06, *Paul* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Time Bandit wrote: The TV ads promote it as unlimited. If there are real cases where residential subscribers did not get unlimited residential service for the advertised price, why aren't any state attorney generals going after vonage? Vonage clearly states that unlimited is not unlimited (not in their commercials, of course). I didn't have a bit of problems finding it. Their unlimited for business seems quite a bit too low for me, but then again, that's just my opinion, maybe businesses no longer use phones. Some things are clear and some things not so clear. I couldn't find anything where specific limits on minutes in or out are stated. I think they try to limit the number of accounts cancelled strictly for high minutes. Accumulate enough of those and a smart class action law firm will be after you. Anyway, how can they determine a residential line is being used for business without invading subscriber privacy? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On 12/7/06, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some things are clear and some things not so clear. I couldn't find anything where specific limits on minutes in or out are stated. I think they try to limit the number of accounts cancelled strictly for high minutes. Accumulate enough of those and a smart class action law firm will be after you. Never mind. They changed their website. It was about 2 or 3 months ago that I was looking at it. If it is still there, they buried it. Also, under their help, one of the questions regards overage and it states that the overage is not for the unlimited accounts. Interesting. I wonder if that means they are really unlimited now. The thing that still gets me, that I tried explaining to a client is that your number is not published in directory assistance or a phone book. It seems to me that businesses would want customers to be able to get in touch with them. Apparently, this particular business does not see that as being important, even though they are kind of like a stock broker or something like that, they handle investments anyway. I can see using Vonage as a rollover for a primary number, though. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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The providers have in there minds that A residential will use less line time than business will use. Like it was said I guess they don't have teenage kids There is more usage on my residential line than there is on my business line. I Put 1800 Mins on the cellular and about 1000 on the VOIP ( TOTAL = 2800 ) that is BUSINESS The house had an easy 4500+ mins this is RESIDENTIAL And I don't use the house line I can't ever get a Dial Tone just kids talking. Or the provider changed the dial tone sound to kids and wife talking :-\ Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VOIP PBX) 1-866-638-1254 (Voip PBX) Free World DialUp: 780-217 WebSite: http://www.freeworlddialup.com/ We have Toll Free DID's instock * * * NO MONTHLY FEE - LIMITED TIME ONLY * * * http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=TF(NM)did BUY Coins, Silver and Gold http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=goldt=email For new and used security items http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=storet=email_security Paul wrote: Lacy Moore - Aspendora wrote: On 12/6/06, *Paul* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Time Bandit wrote: The TV ads promote it as unlimited. If there are real cases where residential subscribers did not get unlimited residential service for the advertised price, why aren't any state attorney generals going after vonage? Vonage clearly states that unlimited is not unlimited (not in their commercials, of course). I didn't have a bit of problems finding it. Their unlimited for business seems quite a bit too low for me, but then again, that's just my opinion, maybe businesses no longer use phones. Some things are clear and some things not so clear. I couldn't find anything where specific limits on minutes in or out are stated. I think they try to limit the number of accounts cancelled strictly for high minutes. Accumulate enough of those and a smart class action law firm will be after you. Anyway, how can they determine a residential line is being used for business without invading subscriber privacy? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Inbound (clean). Database: 0654-0, 12/06/2006 - 12/7/2006 1:31:41 AM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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1) You can connect the vonage lines to an FXO interface. I have a customer who has the linksys router/ATA connected to FXO ports of his nortel meridian PBX switch. You might try that with digium cards, FXO port of SPA-3000 or some multiport FXO gateway. 2) Vonage softphone accounts work for incoming with asterisk. Absolute forwarding, busy forwarding and multiringing to the softphone is treated as free in-network calls. Vijay Gandhi wrote: To be more elaborate, i am using 10 vonage lines in my office, can i connect them all using asterisk, or is it possible to configure those accounts on asterisk instead of the linksys boxes i am using. Regards Vijay Gandhi -Original Message- From: Vijay Gandhi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 12:54 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration Hello, Is there any possibility of integrating plans of vonage with asterisk. Regards Vijay Gandhi ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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And if you get someone over at Vonage that knows that to do you can connect without the FXO It is like FWD you have to get the KEY from Vonage for this to work. Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VOIP PBX) 1-866-638-1254 (Voip PBX) Free World DialUp: 780-217 WebSite: http://www.freeworlddialup.com/ We have Toll Free DID's instock * * * NO MONTHLY FEE - LIMITED TIME ONLY * * * http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=TF(NM)did BUY Coins, Silver and Gold http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=goldt=email For new and used security items http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=storet=email_security Paul wrote: 1) You can connect the vonage lines to an FXO interface. I have a customer who has the linksys router/ATA connected to FXO ports of his nortel meridian PBX switch. You might try that with digium cards, FXO port of SPA-3000 or some multiport FXO gateway. 2) Vonage softphone accounts work for incoming with asterisk. Absolute forwarding, busy forwarding and multiringing to the softphone is treated as free in-network calls. Vijay Gandhi wrote: To be more elaborate, i am using 10 vonage lines in my office, can i connect them all using asterisk, or is it possible to configure those accounts on asterisk instead of the linksys boxes i am using. Regards Vijay Gandhi -Original Message- From: Vijay Gandhi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 12:54 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration Hello, Is there any possibility of integrating plans of vonage with asterisk. Regards Vijay Gandhi ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Inbound (clean). Database: 0653-2, 12/04/2006 - 12/5/2006 8:25:26 AM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 11:36:12AM -0500, Al Bochter wrote: And if you get someone over at Vonage that knows that to do you can connect without the FXO It is like FWD you have to get the KEY from Vonage for this to work. And more to the point there are so many VoIP providers out there, most of them cheaper, who do not require you to use a locked ATA, and thus work great with Asterisk. I number will speak IAX or SIP at your desire. Don't be fooled by the flat rates of the locked-box providers. The real rates are so low these days most people pay less paying per minute than paying a Vonage style flat rate. In addition people report if you start making really heavy usage of your Vonage flat rate so that they are losing money on you, they notice and try to stop it. $25/month will buy you close to 50 hours of urban SIP termination, it's down to half a cent in some of the big cities. Are you going to average 50 hours on the phone each month? Some people do, but most don't. (Otherwise Vonage could not even pretend it is going to make money.) ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Brad Templeton wrote: On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 11:36:12AM -0500, Al Bochter wrote: And if you get someone over at Vonage that knows that to do you can connect without the FXO It is like FWD you have to get the KEY from Vonage for this to work. And more to the point there are so many VoIP providers out there, most of them cheaper, who do not require you to use a locked ATA, and thus work great with Asterisk. I number will speak IAX or SIP at your desire. Don't be fooled by the flat rates of the locked-box providers. The real rates are so low these days most people pay less paying per minute than paying a Vonage style flat rate. In addition people report if you start making really heavy usage of your Vonage flat rate so that they are losing money on you, they notice and try to stop it. $25/month will buy you close to 50 hours of urban SIP termination, it's down to half a cent in some of the big cities. Are you going to average 50 hours on the phone each month? Some people do, but most don't. (Otherwise Vonage could not even pretend it is going to make money.) Vonage has 24/7 support. When my DID is out I don't want to wait until Monday morning. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Brad Templeton, Thats a very good point. Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VOIP PBX) 1-866-638-1254 (Voip PBX) Free World DialUp: 780-217 WebSite: http://www.freeworlddialup.com/ We have Toll Free DID's instock * * * NO MONTHLY FEE - LIMITED TIME ONLY * * * http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=TF(NM)did BUY Coins, Silver and Gold http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=goldt=email For new and used security items http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=storet=email_security Paul wrote: Brad Templeton wrote: On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 11:36:12AM -0500, Al Bochter wrote: And if you get someone over at Vonage that knows that to do you can connect without the FXO It is like FWD you have to get the KEY from Vonage for this to work. And more to the point there are so many VoIP providers out there, most of them cheaper, who do not require you to use a locked ATA, and thus work great with Asterisk. I number will speak IAX or SIP at your desire. Don't be fooled by the flat rates of the locked-box providers. The real rates are so low these days most people pay less paying per minute than paying a Vonage style flat rate. In addition people report if you start making really heavy usage of your Vonage flat rate so that they are losing money on you, they notice and try to stop it. $25/month will buy you close to 50 hours of urban SIP termination, it's down to half a cent in some of the big cities. Are you going to average 50 hours on the phone each month? Some people do, but most don't. (Otherwise Vonage could not even pretend it is going to make money.) Vonage has 24/7 support. When my DID is out I don't want to wait until Monday morning. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Inbound (clean). Database: 0653-5, 12/05/2006 - 12/5/2006 3:56:28 PM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Thanks for all the feedback on the message, if i do the vonage integration using FXo card, is there any possibility of working on G729 or GSM codec, because linksys boxes by default use G711, which consumes hell lot of B/w. Regards Vijay Gandhi -Original Message- From: Al Bochter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:06 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration Brad Templeton, Thats a very good point. Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VOIP PBX) 1-866-638-1254 (Voip PBX) Free World DialUp: 780-217 WebSite: http://www.freeworlddialup.com/ We have Toll Free DID's instock * * * NO MONTHLY FEE - LIMITED TIME ONLY * * * http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=TF(NM)did BUY Coins, Silver and Gold http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=goldt=email For new and used security items http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=storet=email_security Paul wrote: Brad Templeton wrote: On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 11:36:12AM -0500, Al Bochter wrote: And if you get someone over at Vonage that knows that to do you can connect without the FXO It is like FWD you have to get the KEY from Vonage for this to work. And more to the point there are so many VoIP providers out there, most of them cheaper, who do not require you to use a locked ATA, and thus work great with Asterisk. I number will speak IAX or SIP at your desire. Don't be fooled by the flat rates of the locked-box providers. The real rates are so low these days most people pay less paying per minute than paying a Vonage style flat rate. In addition people report if you start making really heavy usage of your Vonage flat rate so that they are losing money on you, they notice and try to stop it. $25/month will buy you close to 50 hours of urban SIP termination, it's down to half a cent in some of the big cities. Are you going to average 50 hours on the phone each month? Some people do, but most don't. (Otherwise Vonage could not even pretend it is going to make money.) Vonage has 24/7 support. When my DID is out I don't want to wait until Monday morning. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Inbound (clean). Database: 0653-5, 12/05/2006 - 12/5/2006 3:56:28 PM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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You login to your vonage account on the web and set the bandwidth saver option. That is the most you can do with a locked ATA. Vijay Gandhi wrote: Thanks for all the feedback on the message, if i do the vonage integration using FXo card, is there any possibility of working on G729 or GSM codec, because linksys boxes by default use G711, which consumes hell lot of B/w. Regards Vijay Gandhi -Original Message- *From:* Al Bochter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:06 PM *To:* Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion *Subject:* Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration Brad Templeton, Thats a very good point. Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VOIP PBX) 1-866-638-1254 (Voip PBX) Free World DialUp: 780-217 WebSite: http://www.freeworlddialup.com/ We have Toll Free DID's instock * * * NO MONTHLY FEE - LIMITED TIME ONLY * * * http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=TF(NM)did BUY Coins, Silver and Gold http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=goldt=email For new and used security items http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=storet=email_security Paul wrote: Brad Templeton wrote: On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 11:36:12AM -0500, Al Bochter wrote: And if you get someone over at Vonage that knows that to do you can connect without the FXO It is like FWD you have to get the KEY from Vonage for this to work. And more to the point there are so many VoIP providers out there, most of them cheaper, who do not require you to use a locked ATA, and thus work great with Asterisk. I number will speak IAX or SIP at your desire. Don't be fooled by the flat rates of the locked-box providers. The real rates are so low these days most people pay less paying per minute than paying a Vonage style flat rate. In addition people report if you start making really heavy usage of your Vonage flat rate so that they are losing money on you, they notice and try to stop it. $25/month will buy you close to 50 hours of urban SIP termination, it's down to half a cent in some of the big cities. Are you going to average 50 hours on the phone each month? Some people do, but most don't. (Otherwise Vonage could not even pretend it is going to make money.) Vonage has 24/7 support. When my DID is out I don't want to wait until Monday morning. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Inbound (clean). Database: 0653-5, 12/05/2006 - 12/5/2006 3:56:28 PM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration
This 24/7 mantra that companies keep promoting to us is often just the ability to subject us to endless hours of their lame MOH while you wait for the one service specialist to answer the phone from Tinbuckto. My apologies if you live in Tinbukto. Henry L.Coleman CEO *VoIP-PBX* 1-866-415-5355 Toronto Ontario Canada You login to your vonage account on the web and set the bandwidth saver option. That is the most you can do with a locked ATA. Vijay Gandhi wrote: Thanks for all the feedback on the message, if i do the vonage integration using FXo card, is there any possibility of working on G729 or GSM codec, because linksys boxes by default use G711, which consumes hell lot of B/w. Regards Vijay Gandhi -Original Message- *From:* Al Bochter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:06 PM *To:* Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion *Subject:* Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration Brad Templeton, Thats a very good point. Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VOIP PBX) 1-866-638-1254 (Voip PBX) Free World DialUp: 780-217 WebSite: http://www.freeworlddialup.com/ We have Toll Free DID's instock * * * NO MONTHLY FEE - LIMITED TIME ONLY * * * http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=TF(NM)did BUY Coins, Silver and Gold http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=goldt=email For new and used security items http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=storet=email_security Paul wrote: Brad Templeton wrote: On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 11:36:12AM -0500, Al Bochter wrote: And if you get someone over at Vonage that knows that to do you can connect without the FXO It is like FWD you have to get the KEY from Vonage for this to work. And more to the point there are so many VoIP providers out there, most of them cheaper, who do not require you to use a locked ATA, and thus work great with Asterisk. I number will speak IAX or SIP at your desire. Don't be fooled by the flat rates of the locked-box providers. The real rates are so low these days most people pay less paying per minute than paying a Vonage style flat rate. In addition people report if you start making really heavy usage of your Vonage flat rate so that they are losing money on you, they notice and try to stop it. $25/month will buy you close to 50 hours of urban SIP termination, it's down to half a cent in some of the big cities. Are you going to average 50 hours on the phone each month? Some people do, but most don't. (Otherwise Vonage could not even pretend it is going to make money.) Vonage has 24/7 support. When my DID is out I don't want to wait until Monday morning. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Inbound (clean). Database: 0653-5, 12/05/2006 - 12/5/2006 3:56:28 PM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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I stand corrected! However you do get my point ... The bigger the company the worse it is. Having to deal with these guys is a nightmare. The company that brings me out in spots is Rogers Cable (24/7). They have this electronic air-head called Gertrude or something, (an android) who can't understand the word NO and has trouble with YES (actually like my ex-wife now that I think about it) but anyway, the point is that these companies spend millions of dollars on advertizing how much they care about you and your dog/cat/rabbit/beaver/etc. but won't spend an extra few bucks to have another person in the call center. My future policy is make a bogus call to the call center before you buy the companies product. TTFN Henry L.Coleman CEO *VoIP-PBX* 1-866-415-5355 Toronto Ontario Canada LOL.. Sorry, had to point this out: I think you meant Timbuktu... http://www.thesalmons.org/lynn/wh-timbuktu.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Henry.L.Coleman Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:35 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration This 24/7 mantra that companies keep promoting to us is often just the ability to subject us to endless hours of their lame MOH while you wait for the one service specialist to answer the phone from Tinbuckto. My apologies if you live in Tinbukto. Henry L.Coleman CEO *VoIP-PBX* 1-866-415-5355 Toronto Ontario Canada You login to your vonage account on the web and set the bandwidth saver option. That is the most you can do with a locked ATA. Vijay Gandhi wrote: Thanks for all the feedback on the message, if i do the vonage integration using FXo card, is there any possibility of working on G729 or GSM codec, because linksys boxes by default use G711, which consumes hell lot of B/w. Regards Vijay Gandhi -Original Message- *From:* Al Bochter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:06 PM *To:* Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion *Subject:* Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration Brad Templeton, Thats a very good point. Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VOIP PBX) 1-866-638-1254 (Voip PBX) Free World DialUp: 780-217 WebSite: http://www.freeworlddialup.com/ We have Toll Free DID's instock * * * NO MONTHLY FEE - LIMITED TIME ONLY * * * http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=TF(NM)did BUY Coins, Silver and Gold http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=goldt=email For new and used security items http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=storet=email_security Paul wrote: Brad Templeton wrote: On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 11:36:12AM -0500, Al Bochter wrote: And if you get someone over at Vonage that knows that to do you can connect without the FXO It is like FWD you have to get the KEY from Vonage for this to work. And more to the point there are so many VoIP providers out there, most of them cheaper, who do not require you to use a locked ATA, and thus work great with Asterisk. I number will speak IAX or SIP at your desire. Don't be fooled by the flat rates of the locked-box providers. The real rates are so low these days most people pay less paying per minute than paying a Vonage style flat rate. In addition people report if you start making really heavy usage of your Vonage flat rate so that they are losing money on you, they notice and try to stop it. $25/month will buy you close to 50 hours of urban SIP termination, it's down to half a cent in some of the big cities. Are you going to average 50 hours on the phone each month? Some people do, but most don't. (Otherwise Vonage could not even pretend it is going to make money.) Vonage has 24/7 support. When my DID is out I don't want to wait until Monday morning. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Inbound (clean). Database: 0653-5, 12/05/2006 - 12/5/2006 3:56:28 PM -- -- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options
Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration
But I never said ATA. I said you call Vonage and tell Vonage that you want to B.Y.O.D. there is a KEY you need Vonage to get you and install into Asterick for Vonage service to work. Buy like Brad said there are easier ways than Vonage. I am not downing Vonage I have and still use Vonage and never had an outage with them. Yes I did install Vonage into Asterick so I know what you have to do. Just getting the right information you need from Vonage is the hard part Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VOIP PBX) 1-866-638-1254 (Voip PBX) Free World DialUp: 780-217 WebSite: http://www.freeworlddialup.com/ We have Toll Free DID's instock * * * NO MONTHLY FEE - LIMITED TIME ONLY * * * http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=TF(NM)did BUY Coins, Silver and Gold http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=goldt=email For new and used security items http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=storet=email_security Paul wrote: You login to your vonage account on the web and set the bandwidth saver option. That is the most you can do with a locked ATA. Vijay Gandhi wrote: Thanks for all the feedback on the message, if i do the vonage integration using FXo card, is there any possibility of working on G729 or GSM codec, because linksys boxes by default use G711, which consumes hell lot of B/w. Regards Vijay Gandhi -Original Message- *From:* Al Bochter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:06 PM *To:* Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion *Subject:* Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration Brad Templeton, Thats a very good point. Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VOIP PBX) 1-866-638-1254 (Voip PBX) Free World DialUp: 780-217 WebSite: http://www.freeworlddialup.com/ We have Toll Free DID's instock * * * NO MONTHLY FEE - LIMITED TIME ONLY * * * http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=TF(NM)did BUY Coins, Silver and Gold http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=goldt=email For new and used security items http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=storet=email_security Paul wrote: Brad Templeton wrote: On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 11:36:12AM -0500, Al Bochter wrote: And if you get someone over at Vonage that knows that to do you can connect without the FXO It is like FWD you have to get the KEY from Vonage for this to work. And more to the point there are so many VoIP providers out there, most of them cheaper, who do not require you to use a locked ATA, and thus work great with Asterisk. I number will speak IAX or SIP at your desire. Don't be fooled by the flat rates of the locked-box providers. The real rates are so low these days most people pay less paying per minute than paying a Vonage style flat rate. In addition people report if you start making really heavy usage of your Vonage flat rate so that they are losing money on you, they notice and try to stop it. $25/month will buy you close to 50 hours of urban SIP termination, it's down to half a cent in some of the big cities. Are you going to average 50 hours on the phone each month? Some people do, but most don't. (Otherwise Vonage could not even pretend it is going to make money.) Vonage has 24/7 support. When my DID is out I don't want to wait until Monday morning. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Inbound (clean). Database: 0653-5, 12/05/2006 - 12/5/2006 3:56:28 PM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Inbound (clean). Database: 0653-5, 12/05/2006 - 12/5/2006 10:23:36 PM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration
Please hold :-) Now you will listen to MOH for 4 days :-D By the way you forgot one thing.. The person you get can't speak English. :-( Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VOIP PBX) 1-866-638-1254 (Voip PBX) Free World DialUp: 780-217 WebSite: http://www.freeworlddialup.com/ We have Toll Free DID's instock * * * NO MONTHLY FEE - LIMITED TIME ONLY * * * http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=TF(NM)did BUY Coins, Silver and Gold http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=goldt=email For new and used security items http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=storet=email_security Henry.L.Coleman wrote: This 24/7 mantra that companies keep promoting to us is often just the ability to subject us to endless hours of their lame MOH while you wait for the one service specialist to answer the phone from Tinbuckto. My apologies if you live in Tinbukto. Henry L.Coleman CEO *VoIP-PBX* 1-866-415-5355 Toronto Ontario Canada You login to your vonage account on the web and set the bandwidth saver option. That is the most you can do with a locked ATA. Vijay Gandhi wrote: Thanks for all the feedback on the message, if i do the vonage integration using FXo card, is there any possibility of working on G729 or GSM codec, because linksys boxes by default use G711, which consumes hell lot of B/w. Regards Vijay Gandhi -Original Message- *From:* Al Bochter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:06 PM *To:* Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion *Subject:* Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration Brad Templeton, Thats a very good point. Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VOIP PBX) 1-866-638-1254 (Voip PBX) Free World DialUp: 780-217 WebSite: http://www.freeworlddialup.com/ We have Toll Free DID's instock * * * NO MONTHLY FEE - LIMITED TIME ONLY * * * http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=TF(NM)did BUY Coins, Silver and Gold http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=goldt=email For new and used security items http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=storet=email_security Paul wrote: Brad Templeton wrote: On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 11:36:12AM -0500, Al Bochter wrote: And if you get someone over at Vonage that knows that to do you can connect without the FXO It is like FWD you have to get the KEY from Vonage for this to work. And more to the point there are so many VoIP providers out there, most of them cheaper, who do not require you to use a locked ATA, and thus work great with Asterisk. I number will speak IAX or SIP at your desire. Don't be fooled by the flat rates of the locked-box providers. The real rates are so low these days most people pay less paying per minute than paying a Vonage style flat rate. In addition people report if you start making really heavy usage of your Vonage flat rate so that they are losing money on you, they notice and try to stop it. $25/month will buy you close to 50 hours of urban SIP termination, it's down to half a cent in some of the big cities. Are you going to average 50 hours on the phone each month? Some people do, but most don't. (Otherwise Vonage could not even pretend it is going to make money.) Vonage has 24/7 support. When my DID is out I don't want to wait until Monday morning. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Inbound (clean). Database: 0653-5, 12/05/2006 - 12/5/2006 3:56:28 PM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Inbound (clean). Database: 0653-5, 12/05/2006 - 12/5/2006 10:23:43 PM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration
Hello, Is there any possibility of integrating plans of vonage with asterisk. Regards Vijay Gandhi ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration
To be more elaborate, i am using 10 vonage lines in my office, can i connect them all using asterisk, or is it possible to configure those accounts on asterisk instead of the linksys boxes i am using. Regards Vijay Gandhi -Original Message- From: Vijay Gandhi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 12:54 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration Hello, Is there any possibility of integrating plans of vonage with asterisk. Regards Vijay Gandhi ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] any possibility of Vonage Integration
You can add Vonage accounts to your asterisk. The only account that Vonage will let you use is there Biz account higher rates. Best regards, Al Bochter Bochter Services http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email (VOIP PBX) 1-866-638-1254 (Voip PBX) Free World DialUp: 780-217 WebSite: http://www.freeworlddialup.com/ We have Toll Free DID's instock * * * NO MONTHLY FEE - LIMITED TIME ONLY * * * http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=TF(NM)did BUY Coins, Silver and Gold http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=goldt=email For new and used security items http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=storet=email_security Vijay Gandhi wrote: Hello, Is there any possibility of integrating plans of vonage with asterisk. Regards Vijay Gandhi ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Inbound (clean). Database: 0653-2, 12/04/2006 - 12/5/2006 12:58:38 AM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
