Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-07 Thread Alex Balashov
Michael Cargile wrote: Another reason I am sure that Digium has not released a DS3 TDM card is the fact that asterisk currently cannot handle that many channels. I am speaking from experience on this. We have build before a predictive dialer with 16 PRIs. In order to do this and not have

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-07 Thread Steve Totaro
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:01 AM, Alex Balashov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Cargile wrote: Another reason I am sure that Digium has not released a DS3 TDM card is the fact that asterisk currently cannot handle that many channels. I am speaking from experience on this. We have build

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-07 Thread Alex Balashov
Steve Totaro wrote: A T3 MUXed into 28 T1 PRIs in one, or a few trunk groups inherently has redundancy. If a box dies, the calls are dropped (unless you are doing reinvite) and any call backs go right to the Ts that are not in alarm. True - and if you're simply using CT3 as an economical

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-07 Thread Godwin Stewart
On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:22:58 -0400, Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I've seen that, and most of its arguments are specious, at best. They amount to I am too stupid to find a mail user agent with List Reply, and too lazy to switch to it. Are there any MUAs (other than Microsoft's

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-07 Thread Steve Totaro
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:46 AM, Alex Balashov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Totaro wrote: A T3 MUXed into 28 T1 PRIs in one, or a few trunk groups inherently has redundancy. If a box dies, the calls are dropped (unless you are doing reinvite) and any call backs go right to the Ts

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-07 Thread Benny Amorsen
Tilghman Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And the arguments on the other side come down to I'm using an ISP which can't correctly configure their mailserver, and I'm too lazy to set one up myself. How can the mail server fix a broken reply-to? It can remove it of course, but that is rather

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-07 Thread Alex Balashov
Steve Totaro wrote: 7 HP DL320s, RAID 1 with Quad Sangoma. Not a dozen but more than twice that, 28 T1s. What is your cheaper solution? Also, have two cold spares in the rack. DL 320s are cheap and rarely fail using 1.2.X. I actually cannot remember a single failure over years of

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-07 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 02:46:48AM -0400, Alex Balashov wrote: The point is that most people that want a DS3 interface really do want to pump in a DS3's worth of calls, more or less, in which case they really can't afford to have those DS1s going spare just for redundancy's sake. And if

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-07 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 10:48:34AM +0100, Horwich IT Services wrote: On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:22:58 -0400, Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I've seen that, and most of its arguments are specious, at best. They amount to I am too stupid to find a mail user agent with List Reply,

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-07 Thread Godwin Stewart
On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:35:43 -0400, Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question is: does Mailman *set* it? Yes. -- Godwin Stewart - Horwich IT services ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-07 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Monday 07 April 2008 07:05, Benny Amorsen wrote: Tilghman Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And the arguments on the other side come down to I'm using an ISP which can't correctly configure their mailserver, and I'm too lazy to set one up myself. How can the mail server fix a broken

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-07 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith (lists)
On April 7, 2008 02:01:08 am Alex Balashov wrote: A Lucent TNT Max outfitted with _plethoric_ VFCs might work okay. Apex too, perhaps. Haven't tried to see how much it can handle when TDM-RTP translation is required. I'm curious; are the cpu/tdm/dsp requirements for 672 g729 rtp streams that

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-07 Thread Alex Balashov
Andrew Kohlsmith (lists) wrote: On April 7, 2008 02:01:08 am Alex Balashov wrote: A Lucent TNT Max outfitted with _plethoric_ VFCs might work okay. Apex too, perhaps. Haven't tried to see how much it can handle when TDM-RTP translation is required. I'm curious; are the cpu/tdm/dsp

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-07 Thread Steve Totaro
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Alex Balashov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Totaro wrote: 7 HP DL320s, RAID 1 with Quad Sangoma. Not a dozen but more than twice that, 28 T1s. What is your cheaper solution? Also, have two cold spares in the rack. DL 320s are cheap and rarely fail

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-07 Thread Alex Balashov
Steve Totaro wrote: Nobody said anything about unused DS1s except you. Please re-read the thread. Perhaps I misunderstood? What you appeared to imply in regards to the failover benefits of having T1s broken out of an M13 mux into multiple gateway machines is that if one of the gateways go

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-07 Thread Steve Underwood
Andrew Kohlsmith (lists) wrote: On April 7, 2008 02:01:08 am Alex Balashov wrote: A Lucent TNT Max outfitted with _plethoric_ VFCs might work okay. Apex too, perhaps. Haven't tried to see how much it can handle when TDM-RTP translation is required. I'm curious; are the

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Sunday 06 April 2008 02:01:49 Matt Darnell wrote: Any know what Digium hasn't released the DS3 card? It was supposed to be out a while ago. There was a fundamental problem with the chipset used, which precluded the card from being useful. Specifically, the chipset only permitted the first

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Al Baker
ok - but has a new release date be announced ? or Has Digium officially dropped the product ? Steve Totaro wrote: On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 3:47 AM, Tilghman Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 06 April 2008 02:01:49 Matt Darnell wrote: Any know what Digium hasn't released the DS3

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Steve Totaro
On 4/6/08, Tilghman Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 06 April 2008 02:01:49 Matt Darnell wrote: Any know what Digium hasn't released the DS3 card? It was supposed to be out a while ago. There was a fundamental problem with the chipset used, which precluded the card from being

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Steve Totaro
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 3:47 AM, Tilghman Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 06 April 2008 02:01:49 Matt Darnell wrote: Any know what Digium hasn't released the DS3 card? It was supposed to be out a while ago. There was a fundamental problem with the chipset used, which

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 05:37:03AM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote: There was a fundamental problem with the chipset used, which precluded the card from being useful. Specifically, the chipset only permitted the first 255 channels to be addressed (instead of the full 672). Since that time, and

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Sunday 06 April 2008 04:48:19 Al Baker wrote: ok - but has a new release date be announced ? or Has Digium officially dropped the product ? Once again, Digium does not announce products until they are ready to ship, drivers included. Therefore, I cannot say, either way. -- Tilghman

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 09:44:30AM -0500, Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Sunday 06 April 2008 04:48:19 Al Baker wrote: ok - but has a new release date be announced ? or Has Digium officially dropped the product ? Once again, Digium does not announce products until they are ready to ship,

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Michael Cargile
Another reason I am sure that Digium has not released a DS3 TDM card is the fact that asterisk currently cannot handle that many channels. I am speaking from experience on this. We have build before a predictive dialer with 16 PRIs. In order to do this and not have audio quality issues we had to

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Steve Totaro
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Tilghman Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 06 April 2008 04:48:19 Al Baker wrote: ok - but has a new release date be announced ? or Has Digium officially dropped the product ? Once again, Digium does not announce products until they are ready

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Steve Totaro
Should have read, I cannot recommend the Atran MX2800 M13 *enough* Two controller cards, two power supplies, battery backup, this is a nice little box. It will probably be the most solid piece of equipment in your data center. Thanks, Steve Tototaro On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Steve

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 11:12:33AM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote: I cannot recommend the Adtran MX2800 M13, it has redundant everything and is very easy to setup and not very expensive either. We'll assume you meant that you can't recommend them enough. :-) Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Steve Totaro
I cannot recommend the Adtran MX2800 M13, it has redundant everything and is very easy to setup and not very expensive either. Thanks, Steve Totaro On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Michael Cargile [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another reason I am sure that Digium has not released a DS3 TDM card is

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Sunday 06 April 2008 10:13:43 Steve Totaro wrote: On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Sunday 06 April 2008 04:48:19 Al Baker wrote: ok - but has a new release date be announced ? or Has Digium officially dropped the product ? Once again, Digium does

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Steve Totaro
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Tilghman Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 06 April 2008 10:13:43 Steve Totaro wrote: On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Sunday 06 April 2008 04:48:19 Al Baker wrote: ok - but has a new release date be announced ?

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Michael Cargile
http://www.vicidial.com/On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've already connected ~600 analog extensions to Asterisk and we were far from reaching the bottlenecks. We have used a machine that is hardly a top-of-the line server (a dual-core Dell machine),

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 12:12:17PM -0400, Michael Cargile wrote: http://www.vicidial.com/On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Off-list, and not expecting an on-list reply) We've already connected ~600 analog extensions to Asterisk and we were far

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 10:58:56AM -0500, Tilghman Lesher wrote: Was this policy put in place after announcing the DS3 dud? The policy was put into place for a number of reasons, the main one being that it's generally a good idea and is therefore pretty industry standard. Two words: Osborne

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 07:38:06PM +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 12:12:17PM -0400, Michael Cargile wrote: http://www.vicidial.com/On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Off-list, and not expecting an on-list reply) Ooh, geee: Why

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Sunday 06 April 2008 11:45:51 Jay R. Ashworth wrote: On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 07:38:06PM +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 12:12:17PM -0400, Michael Cargile wrote: http://www.vicidial.com/On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Steve Totaro
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 12:12:17PM -0400, Michael Cargile wrote: http://www.vicidial.com/On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Off-list, and not expecting an on-list reply)

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Michael Cargile
Sorry about that not used to gmail. :-) Michael Cargile Director of Consulting The Vicidial Group www.vicidial.com On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 07:38:06PM +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 12:12:17PM

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Michael Cargile
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I don't have your experince, I would still speculate that even for trunks the average capacity is not ther same load as that of a predictive dialer. This is very true.

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Steve Totaro
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Michael Cargile [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I don't have your experince, I would still speculate that even for trunks the average capacity is not ther same load as that of a

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Benny Amorsen
Tilghman Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, please, don't start THAT flame war. People who consider Reply-To munging harmful have obviously failed to read the ENTIRE rfc (especially the part where it specifically says the use of the Reply-To header is for use on listservs). :-P It's

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith (lists)
On April 6, 2008 11:12:33 am Steve Totaro wrote: I cannot recommend the Adtran MX2800 M13, it has redundant everything and is very easy to setup and not very expensive either. Agreed; I've set these up and they are rock effing solid. We did have a shelf controller die and without the backup

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Steve Totaro
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Benny Amorsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tilghman Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, please, don't start THAT flame war. People who consider Reply-To munging harmful have obviously failed to read the ENTIRE rfc (especially the part where it specifically

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 05:02:53PM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote: http://www.metasystema.net/essays/reply-to.mhtml Wildefires are harmful to forests and aniaml life but are essentially a good thing in the balance and cycles of nature. It all depends on your viewpoint. Yes, I've seen that, and

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Steve Totaro
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Benny Amorsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tilghman Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, please, don't start THAT flame war. People who consider Reply-To munging harmful have obviously failed to read the ENTIRE rfc (especially the part where it specifically

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Sunday 06 April 2008 15:56:22 Steve Totaro wrote: On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Benny Amorsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tilghman Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, please, don't start THAT flame war. People who consider Reply-To munging harmful have obviously failed to read the

Re: [asterisk-users] Where is the Digium DS3 card?

2008-04-06 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Sunday 06 April 2008 16:22:58 Jay R. Ashworth wrote: On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 05:02:53PM -0400, Steve Totaro wrote: http://www.metasystema.net/essays/reply-to.mhtml Wildefires are harmful to forests and aniaml life but are essentially a good thing in the balance and cycles of nature.