Re: More about Extensions

2005-08-11 Thread David Powell
I said: > I might have misinterpreted your comment, but I'm arguing with Tim for > saying that SEE's CAN contain relative refs and no clarifification is > needed, and with you for saying that SEE's CANNOT contain relative > refs and no clarification is needed. There's a word for that :) I overs

Re: More about Extensions

2005-08-11 Thread David Powell
Wednesday, August 10, 2005, 11:12:30 PM, you wrote: > Dave: I think I see what you're getting at... correct me if I'm wrong. > So I decide that my aggregator is going to look for unknown Simple > Extensions in Atom feeds and display them as a table of name/value > pairs at the bottom of every e

Re: More about Extensions

2005-08-11 Thread David Powell
Wednesday, August 10, 2005, 11:33:46 PM, Robert Sayre wrote: > On 8/10/05, David Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I think that it is pretty clear, but as Tim disagrees, I think that >> this is a good indication that we need clarification. > I think it's good indication that you've argued wi

Re: More about Extensions

2005-08-10 Thread Robert Sayre
On 8/10/05, David Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think that it is pretty clear, but as Tim disagrees, I think that > this is a good indication that we need clarification. I think it's good indication that you've argued with everyone, no matter what they say. I'm strongly opposed to adding

Re: More about Extensions

2005-08-10 Thread Roger B.
Dave: I think I see what you're getting at... correct me if I'm wrong. So I decide that my aggregator is going to look for unknown Simple Extensions in Atom feeds and display them as a table of name/value pairs at the bottom of every entry. And during the display process, I'm going to run a regex

Re: More about Extensions

2005-08-10 Thread David Powell
Wednesday, August 10, 2005, 1:34:44 AM, Tim Bray wrote: > The problem could hypothetically arise when someone extracts > properties from the foreign markup, stuffs them in a tuple store, and > then when the software that knows what to do with comes along and > retrieves it and recognizes the r

Re: More about Extensions

2005-08-10 Thread David Powell
Wednesday, August 10, 2005, 1:30:54 AM, Robert Sayre wrote: > On 8/9/05, David Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Publishers should expect that relative refs used in atom:link will >> work, but publishers should expect that relative refs used in Simple >> Extensions will break. > Disagree

Re: More about Extensions

2005-08-09 Thread Henry Story
Sorry to note the obvious, but does this not sound so much like a good reason we should have engineered atom to *be* RDF? Is this not exactly one of the many problems that RDF sets out to solve? Henry Story On 10 Aug 2005, at 02:34, Tim Bray wrote: On Aug 9, 2005, at 5:11 PM, David Powel

Re: More about Extensions

2005-08-09 Thread James M Snell
Tim Bray wrote: Sounds like implementor's-guide material to me. 1 - James

Re: More about Extensions

2005-08-09 Thread Robert Sayre
On 8/9/05, Tim Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And, to whoever said relative references are "fragile": Wrong. When > you have to move bales of web content around from one place to > another, and just supposing hypothetically that you have internal > links, relative references are robust, absolu

Re: More about Extensions

2005-08-09 Thread Robert Sayre
On 8/9/05, David Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Publishers should expect that relative refs used in atom:link will > work, but publishers should expect that relative refs used in Simple > Extensions will break. Disagree. We have no idea what people will do with this, or where they will be

Re: More about Extensions

2005-08-09 Thread Tim Bray
On Aug 9, 2005, at 5:11 PM, David Powell wrote: No, we just need to warn publishers (and extension authors) that the base URI of Simple Extension elements is not significant, and that they must not expect it to be preserved. Either the software understands the foreign markup, in which case it

Re: More about Extensions

2005-08-09 Thread David Powell
Tuesday, August 9, 2005, 11:22:14 PM, Robert Sayre wrote: > What are we going to do, outlaw strings that happen to look like > relative references? No, we just need to warn publishers (and extension authors) that the base URI of Simple Extension elements is not significant, and that they must n

Re: More about Extensions

2005-08-09 Thread Robert Sayre
On 8/9/05, David Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If I'm wrong, and the rationale behind Simple Extensions isn't > important... Sorry, I don't buy this. You're wrong, but the rationale is important. :) What are we going to do, outlaw strings that happen to look like relative references? If yo

More about Extensions

2005-08-09 Thread David Powell
I still believe that relative URIs shouldn't exist in Simple Extension constructs [1]. I think that the lack of rationale for their being 2-3 classes of extension construct is proving to be harmful. Prior to the introduction of Section 6, Atom pretty much said you can include any foreign markup