Re: some small comments on 08

2005-05-25 Thread Thomas Broyer
Bill de hÓra wrote: Thomas Broyer wrote: * it is not less reliably implementable than the current draft's mandatory div element; if we go for a SHOULD or MAY on discarding the div elements, it is even *more* reliably implementable. We had a discussion about optional div not so long ago,

Re: some small comments on 08

2005-05-25 Thread Bill de hÓra
Thomas Broyer wrote: Bill de hÓra wrote: Thomas Broyer wrote: * it is not less reliably implementable than the current draft's mandatory div element; if we go for a SHOULD or MAY on discarding the div elements, it is even *more* reliably implementable. We had a discussion about optional

Re: some small comments on 08

2005-05-24 Thread Henri Sivonen
On May 23, 2005, at 12:31, Julian Reschke wrote: For the record: I am +1 on http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/PaceOptionalXhtmlDiv. +1 from me too. -- Henri Sivonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hsivonen.iki.fi/

Re: some small comments on 08

2005-05-24 Thread Graham
On 24 May 2005, at 9:40 am, Henri Sivonen wrote: On May 23, 2005, at 12:31, Julian Reschke wrote: For the record: I am +1 on http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/ PaceOptionalXhtmlDiv. -1, and additionally I don't think the Pace is even complete or reliably implementable. Graham

Re: some small comments on 08

2005-05-24 Thread Asbjørn Ulsberg
On Mon, 23 May 2005 08:54:32 +0200, Anne van Kesteren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * 4.2.2 The atom:category Element Why is significant information hidden in attributes? That is bad for i18n and prevents people from defining the expansion of an abbreviation, for example. Minor flaw. It

Re: some small comments on 08

2005-05-24 Thread Thomas Broyer
Graham wrote: On 24 May 2005, at 9:40 am, Henri Sivonen wrote: On May 23, 2005, at 12:31, Julian Reschke wrote: For the record: I am +1 on http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/ PaceOptionalXhtmlDiv. -1, and additionally I don't think the Pace is even complete or reliably implementable.

Re: some small comments on 08

2005-05-24 Thread Thomas Broyer
Asbjørn Ulsberg wrote: On Mon, 23 May 2005 08:54:32 +0200, Anne van Kesteren wrote: * 4.2.2 The atom:category Element Why is significant information hidden in attributes? That is bad for i18n and prevents people from defining the expansion of an abbreviation, for example. Minor flaw. It

Re: some small comments on 08

2005-05-24 Thread Thomas Broyer
Thomas Broyer wrote: Graham wrote: -1, and additionally I don't think the Pace is even complete or reliably implementable. FYI, it is not, Oops, before it'd be misinterpreted: * the Pace is not *complete* * it is not less reliably implementable than the current draft's mandatory div

Re: some small comments on 08

2005-05-24 Thread Bill de hÓra
Thomas Broyer wrote: * it is not less reliably implementable than the current draft's mandatory div element; if we go for a SHOULD or MAY on discarding the div elements, it is even *more* reliably implementable. We had a discussion about optional div not so long ago, and I came away

Re: some small comments on 08

2005-05-23 Thread Anne van Kesteren
Robert Sayre wrote: What happens when it does contain child elements? I think we should define that for interoperability. (See HTML for what happens when you don't.) This question also applies to the next section. No, that's broken. There can be no expectation of interoperability. I think

Re: some small comments on 08

2005-05-23 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Anne van Kesteren [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-05-23 09:05]: Robert Sayre wrote: For white-space significance text I need to use 'html' or 'xhtml' instead using PRE or xhtml:pre? I don't understand what you're saying here, but I'm pretty sure every possible whitespace issue has been debated

Re: some small comments on 08

2005-05-23 Thread Thomas Broyer
A. Pagaltzis wrote: * Anne van Kesteren [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-05-22 11:35]: * 4.1.3.1 The type attribute Can I circumvent the DIV element by using the media type of XHTML? (I really dislike this combined construct by the way.) I used to find it extremely horrible. Now I’m not sure.

Re: some small comments on 08

2005-05-23 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Thomas Broyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-05-23 10:50]: A. Pagaltzis wrote: There is some symmetry here: with @type=xml, you have to Which @type=xml? Did you mean @type=text/xml? Sorry, I meant any XML media type. enclose a full XML document, which will always have a root element. The

Re: some small comments on 08

2005-05-23 Thread Julian Reschke
Thomas Broyer wrote: It is not, not at all. To everyone here: please, comment on PaceOptionalXhtmlDiv, either +1 or -1, but at least argument. See also further explanation and technical arguments in Consensus call on last raft of issues [1] ... For the record: I am +1 on

Re: some small comments on 08

2005-05-23 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Anne van Kesteren [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-05-23 10:35]: A. Pagaltzis wrote: Last I asked, I understood that whitespace would be preserved if you supply 'text/plain' content; @type='text' is more like inline text in an XML document (or in HTML). Maybe the spec could be more explicit about

Re: some small comments on 08

2005-05-23 Thread Robert Sayre
On 5/23/05, Anne van Kesteren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Sayre wrote: What happens when it does contain child elements? I think we should define that for interoperability. (See HTML for what happens when you don't.) This question also applies to the next section. No, that's

Re: some small comments on 08

2005-05-22 Thread David Powell
Sunday, May 22, 2005, 10:22:24 AM, you wrote: * 4.1.3.1 The type attribute Can I circumvent the DIV element by using the media type of XHTML? (I really dislike this combined construct by the way.) You can, but you would have to embed a full XHTML document, including html and body elements.

Re: some small comments on 08

2005-05-22 Thread Tim Bray
On May 22, 2005, at 11:47 AM, Robert Sayre wrote: # Any element defined by this specification MAY have an xml:lang # attribute, whose content indicates the natural language for the # element and its children. s/children/descendents/? Someone speak up if there's a preference out there

Re: some small comments on 08

2005-05-22 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Anne van Kesteren [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-05-22 11:35]: * 4.1.3.1 The type attribute Can I circumvent the DIV element by using the media type of XHTML? (I really dislike this combined construct by the way.) I used to find it extremely horrible. Now Im not sure. There is some symmetry

Re: some small comments on 08

2005-05-22 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Anne van Kesteren [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-05-22 11:35]: * 3.1.1.3 XHTML I would like to see valid XHTML more clearly defined. There are a lot of different XHTML versions I know of and some might not include a DIV element at all... You have XHTML 1 (in three versions), XHTML 1.1, XHTML