Re: PaceIRI status

2005-01-26 Thread Julian Reschke
Martin Duerst wrote: ... Bjoern was making a vaild, but fine, point: Because we decided to refer to RFC2396bis, rather than to RFC2396, we already have bought into the fact that RFC2396bis allows percent-encoded domain names, and thus essentially requires IDN support. (apart from the basic fact

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-26 Thread Dan Brickley
* Ray Slakinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-01-25 10:40-0500] +1 from me, I'm happy to see this added! +1 likewise to http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/PaceEnclosuresAndPix Dan On 24-Jan-05, at 7:18 PM, Tim Bray wrote: If there were no further discussion: Got no -1's, seems useful, needed

Re: PaceAttributesNamespace status

2005-01-26 Thread Danny Ayers
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 01:20:58 +, David Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PaceAttributesNamespace I'm -1 on this. It seems to be authorising a RDF users to do a transform on Atom Syntax in order to make it more RDF/XML-like. That's really orthogonal from the intention. If RDF users

PaceAttributesNamespace is *not* about syntax!

2005-01-26 Thread Danny Ayers
I've added the following note to the Pace: A lot of the critical response to this Pace has been based on the assumption that it is about changes to the Atom syntax. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Within Atom format it will remain mandatory that documents are produced with no-namespace

Re: Issues with draft-ietf-atompub-format-04

2005-01-26 Thread Martin Duerst
At 13:01 05/01/26, Eric Scheid wrote: It's only clear what's going on when the reader juxtaposes the two sections, and realises that the concept named 'type' in section [3.1.1] is not the same concept named 'type' in section [3.5.2]. Without that juxtaposition, the reader might well never realise

Re: PaceAttributesNamespace is *not* about syntax!

2005-01-26 Thread Sam Ruby
Danny Ayers wrote: I've added the following note to the Pace: A lot of the critical response to this Pace has been based on the assumption that it is about changes to the Atom syntax. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Within Atom format it will remain mandatory that documents are produced

Re: PaceAttributesNamespace is *not* about syntax!

2005-01-26 Thread Antone Roundy
On Wednesday, January 26, 2005, at 07:03 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: Let's assume that there will be a non-normative appendix which describes the mapping of the Atom/XML syntax to RDF triples (possibly via a mapping to RDF/XML or possibly directly). Clearly, such an appendix would need to define a

Re: PaceFeedLink

2005-01-26 Thread Graham
On 26 Jan 2005, at 2:37 am, Eric Scheid wrote: I also concur. An aggregator is free to do so, but I don't think it should be a requirement. We already have a mechanism for the publisher to redirect requests to a new location (HTTP 304, 301). An aggregator might also only do so in extremis - if

Re: PaceFeedLink

2005-01-26 Thread Tim Bray
On Jan 26, 2005, at 7:27 AM, Graham wrote: Very, very good point. The text needs something along the lines of Atom producers MUST NOT expect consumers which found the document at a different URI to switch to requesting it from the URI specified., or something less clunky. Otherwise it's going

Re: PaceAttributesNamespace is *not* about syntax!

2005-01-26 Thread Henry Story
On 26 Jan 2005, at 15:03, Sam Ruby wrote: [...] But, now lets examine the statement proposed in PaceAttributeNamespace. It essentially alerts producers of something that that they need to be aware of. Now a quesion: what do they need do different with the knowledge that the RDF mapping does

Re: PaceAttributesNamespace is *not* about syntax!

2005-01-26 Thread Henry Story
Graham the Robot [1], when real people come and ask me something I'll talk to them. Henry On 26 Jan 2005, at 18:01, Graham wrote: On 26 Jan 2005, at 4:37 pm, Henry Story wrote: I think your assertion is wrong. If they are consuming or producing extended Atom [1] they will know exactly what

Re: PaceIRI status

2005-01-26 Thread Danny Ayers
+1 on PaceIRI I'm a little hesitant on this because I'm not familiar with the issues, but it's something we'll probably all have to broach sometime soon. Martin seems to know what he's talking about ;-) On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:54:51 +0100, Julian Reschke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Duerst

Re: PaceExtensionConstruct status

2005-01-26 Thread Danny Ayers
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 02:10:28 +, David Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 (allowing room for tweaks) I'll try to post my suggested RDF road-map tomorrow - basically, I'd like to see: * an Atom syntax - RDF mapping defined in a separate I-D. * no changes to the Atom syntax for the

Difference of TEXT and XHTML?

2005-01-26 Thread Henri Sivonen
Quoting from draft-ietf-atompub-format-04: 3.1.1 type Attribute ... If the value is TEXT, the content of the Text construct MUST NOT contain child elements. Such text is intended to be presented to humans in a readable fashion. Thus, software MAY display it using normal text

Re: Difference of TEXT and XHTML?

2005-01-26 Thread Tim Bray
On Jan 26, 2005, at 12:44 PM, Henri Sivonen wrote: What's the difference between: atom:title type='TEXT'I do not like ![CDATA[]]marqueegt;/atom:title and atom:title type='XHTML'I do not like ![CDATA[]]marqueegt;/atom:title ? Shouldn't both render as I do not like marquee? Yeah, but if you

Re: Difference of TEXT and XHTML?

2005-01-26 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Jan 26, 2005, at 23:18, Tim Bray wrote: On Jan 26, 2005, at 12:44 PM, Henri Sivonen wrote: What's the difference between: atom:title type='TEXT'I do not like ![CDATA[]]marqueegt;/atom:title and atom:title type='XHTML'I do not like ![CDATA[]]marqueegt;/atom:title ? Shouldn't both render

Re: Difference of TEXT and XHTML?

2005-01-26 Thread Lucas Gonze
On Jan 26, 2005, at 12:44 PM, Henri Sivonen wrote: FWIW, with the exception of content, I think allowing only %inline XHTML elements would make more sense than allowing %flow. On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Tim Bray wrote: Anyone else pro or con on this one? -Tim This has elegance and is intuitively

Re: Difference of TEXT and XHTML?

2005-01-26 Thread Tim Bray
On Jan 26, 2005, at 1:31 PM, Henri Sivonen wrote: But if you can always substitute type='TEXT' with type='XHTML' but not the other way round, what's the point of having type='TEXT' in the spec? With type='TEXT' you know it's not going to contain any (X)HTML formatting, so you don't have to

Re: Difference of TEXT and XHTML?

2005-01-26 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Jan 27, 2005, at 00:45, Robert Sayre wrote: But guess what, TEXT is *never* coming out of the spec, because it will eventually become impossible to write something that looks like markup if we don't have it. How so? What does type='TEXT' make possible to write that type='XHTML' with a single

Re: PaceFeedLink

2005-01-26 Thread Eric Scheid
On 27/1/05 7:47 AM, Sjoerd Visscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The whole point of xml:base is that an application that stores a page outside of its original context can add an xml:base to prevent losing the original location context. browsers don't. all they know is here is a URL to a

Re: Difference of TEXT and XHTML?

2005-01-26 Thread Eric Scheid
On 27/1/05 9:24 AM, Henri Sivonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I don't understand what your example is demonstrating. How would the above be different from: title type='XHTML'Iamp;nbsp;doamp;nbsp;notamp;nbsp;likeamp;nbsp;lt; marquee/title title type='XHTML'Ido not like

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-26 Thread Brent Simmons
On Jan 26, 2005, at 5:03 PM, Graham wrote: On 26 Jan 2005, at 8:00 pm, Tim Bray wrote: Hearing no objections, I modified the Pace to say the image SHOULD have an aspect ratio of 2 (horizontal) to 1 (vertical). -Tim What's our story on favicons? Quite a few programs support them and most

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-26 Thread Tim Bray
On Jan 26, 2005, at 5:54 PM, Brent Simmons wrote: I agree with that. It's something many feed producers care about -- I get email just about every day asking how to make a favicon appear in my software. And I always wish I could say that there's a way to specify it in the feed. I would favor

Re: PaceAttributesNamespace is *not* about syntax!

2005-01-26 Thread Sam Ruby
Henry Story wrote: On 26 Jan 2005, at 15:03, Sam Ruby wrote: [...] But, now lets examine the statement proposed in PaceAttributeNamespace. It essentially alerts producers of something that that they need to be aware of. Now a quesion: what do they need do different with the knowledge that the

Re: Difference of TEXT and XHTML?

2005-01-26 Thread Sam Ruby
Henri Sivonen wrote: On Jan 26, 2005, at 23:46, Tim Bray wrote: On Jan 26, 2005, at 1:31 PM, Henri Sivonen wrote: But if you can always substitute type='TEXT' with type='XHTML' but not the other way round, what's the point of having type='TEXT' in the spec? With type='TEXT' you know it's not

Re: Issues with draft-ietf-atompub-format-04

2005-01-26 Thread Sam Ruby
Robert Sayre wrote: * 3.5.1 rel Attribute Why are the only values defined alternate and related? I have implemented via for a long time on my personal weblog and some aggregators have even implemented support for it. I consider it to be quite useful. Write a Pace. I would support it. Yes, please.

Re: Questions about -04

2005-01-26 Thread Sam Ruby
Martin Duerst wrote: At 01:51 05/01/26, Asbjn Ulsberg wrote: On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:54:27 -0500, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Why MUST a feed point to an alternate version. [...] I'm -1 on removing this restriction. I thought we came to a sort of consensus that the link

Re: Difference of TEXT and XHTML?

2005-01-26 Thread Lucas Gonze
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Henri Sivonen wrote: On Jan 26, 2005, at 23:40, Lucas Gonze wrote: XHTML doesn't have styling elements like font, HTML does. Both XHTML 1.0 Transitional and HTML 4.01 Transitional have font. Neither XHTML 1.0 Strict nor HTML 4.01 Strict has font. Then my point is moot as long

Re: PaceMustBeWellFormed status

2005-01-26 Thread Robert Sayre
Sam Ruby wrote: The feedvalidator currently declares content served as text/plain as invalid. I would very much like to keep this check, for a number of reasons. What I am saying is that the Atom spec should allow consumers enough leeway to process such resources as non-feed (specifically, I

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-26 Thread Sam Ruby
Tim Bray wrote: On Jan 26, 2005, at 5:54 PM, Brent Simmons wrote: I agree with that. It's something many feed producers care about -- I get email just about every day asking how to make a favicon appear in my software. And I always wish I could say that there's a way to specify it in the feed.

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-26 Thread Brent Simmons
On Jan 26, 2005, at 7:25 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: Tim Bray wrote: On Jan 26, 2005, at 5:54 PM, Brent Simmons wrote: I agree with that. It's something many feed producers care about -- I get email just about every day asking how to make a favicon appear in my software. And I always wish I could say

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-26 Thread Tim Bray
On Jan 26, 2005, at 7:25 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2003Jun/0132.html For quite some time, my XHTML has contained the following: link rel=shortcut icon href=/favicon.ico/ Question: would it be of value to people like Graham and Brent if we were to

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-26 Thread Eric Scheid
On 27/1/05 3:38 PM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: atom:@rel doesn't allow for multiple space delimited values. e. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2003Jun/0133.html agreed, a single term @rel value is preferred. the shortcut icon thing is borked ... the linked favicon is