Re: PaceClarifyDateUpdated

2005-02-06 Thread Roger B.
What do you propose one should do when the current system to which Atom output is to be added do not record such updates but only records the date when the bytes changed? Henri: As a practical matter? If that's what you have, that's what you use. But a lot of it comes down to knowing your

Re: mustUnderstand, mustIgnore [was: Posted PaceEntryOrder]

2005-02-06 Thread Bill de hÓra
James M Snell wrote: My challenge with the idea of mustUnderstand in Atom is in trying to figure out how the heck it would realistically be used for anything worthwhile. Take blog content for instance, if my blog reader accesses a feed that contains an entry with a mustUnderstand metadata element

Re: PaceClarifyDateUpdated

2005-02-06 Thread Tim Bray
On Feb 6, 2005, at 3:16 AM, Henry Story wrote: Thinking about it, I would be in favor of clarifying it to be any change should result in a date update. If you will go back and review the correspondence, you will discover a lot of argument, the upshot of which was, different publishers have very

Re: PaceArchiveDocument posted

2005-02-06 Thread Sam Ruby
Henry Story wrote: On 6 Feb 2005, at 08:00, Bob Wyman wrote: -1. The use cases for archiving have not been well defined or well discussed on this list. It is, I believe, inappropriate and unwise to try to rush through something this major at the last moment before a pending Last Call. I

Re: BAG Question: What is a feed? Sliding-Window or Current-State?

2005-02-06 Thread Sam Ruby
Bob Wyman wrote: Sam Ruby wrote: If you produce feeds that contain multiple entries with the same id, there will be people who misunderstand such documents. So what? If they initially misunderstand, they will eventually learn how to do it properly. It is quite possible that they outnumber you.

Re: BAG Question: What is a feed? Sliding-Window or Current-State?

2005-02-06 Thread Eric Scheid
On 7/2/05 6:20 AM, Bob Wyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this particular debate, the core issue is What is a Feed Document? I have long contended that a Feed Document is a sliding window on a feed. Sayre and others have said that a Feed Document is a representation of the current state of a

Re: BAG Question: What is a feed? Sliding-Window or Current-State?

2005-02-06 Thread Robert Sayre
Bob Wyman wrote: Anyway, I am convinced that the current state view is less useful then the sliding window view. The current proposals to define an archive type to patch sliding window into Atom are excellent indications that I'm right... I know others disagree... I also realize that not

Re: BAG Question: What is a feed? Sliding-Window or Current-State?

2005-02-06 Thread Bill de hÓra
Bob Wyman wrote: In this particular debate, the core issue is What is a Feed Document? I have long contended that a Feed Document is a sliding window on a feed. Sayre and others have said that a Feed Document is a representation of the current state of a set of entries. The difference is

Re: BAG Question: What is a feed? Sliding-Window or Current-State?

2005-02-06 Thread Dan Brickley
* John Panzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-02-06 13:58-0800] Since an entry is identified uniquely by its atom:id (though it can have different states at different times); As I understand the Web, the REST concepts that underpin HTTP are quite happy with their being multiple representations of

Re: BAG Question: What is a feed? Sliding-Window or Current-State?

2005-02-06 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Feb 6, 2005, at 2:24 PM, Dan Brickley wrote: * John Panzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-02-06 13:58-0800] Since an entry is identified uniquely by its atom:id (though it can have different states at different times); As I understand the Web, the REST concepts that underpin HTTP are quite happy with

Re: BAG Question: What is a feed? Sliding-Window or Current-State?

2005-02-06 Thread Eric Scheid
On 7/2/05 8:58 AM, John Panzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since an entry is identified uniquely by its atom:id (though it can have different states at different times); And, since it's not possible to add more than one of any unique thing to a (mathematical) set; And, since Sliding Window may

Re: dereferencability of link?

2005-02-06 Thread Joe Gregorio
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 16:21:25 +1100, Eric Scheid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: consider link href=tag:example.com,2005:/2005/02/musings / assume for the moment that is a valid scheme is that kind of URI something we want to allow in link/@href? I see no problem with the above