Re: Straw Poll: age:expires vs. dcterms:valid (was Re: Unofficial last call on draft-snell-atompub-feed-expires-04.txt)

2005-10-09 Thread James Holderness
I'd be in favour of dcterms:valid (preferably restricted in form) for the following reasons: * I'm worried that producers of RSS 1.0 feeds would be more likely to use dcterms:valid and thus consumers would be obliged to support it anyway. * dcterms:valid has slightly more functionality in

Re: Feed History -04

2005-10-09 Thread Henry Story
It occurred to me that I should think a little more before speaking. There seems to be a history of the atom spec here: http://bitworking.org/projects/atom/ I could not find the prev link in any of the specs. So I guess I was mistaken. But I also always thought of prev and next as being

Re: Feed History -04

2005-10-09 Thread James Holderness
Funny you should say that. When you told me it was part of Atom 0.3 I also thought to myself that I should have checked that before posting. Technically you were correct. Version 0.3 of the syndication format doesn't mention next and prev explicitly, but it does say (in section 3.4.1) that

Re: Feed History -04

2005-10-09 Thread Mark Nottingham
Managing Feed State was a placeholder I put in the original Atom spec draft http://www.mnot.net/drafts/draft-nottingham-atom- format-00.html#rfc.section.4 for just this kind of discussion. The WG couldn't come to a consensus on a mechanism (my proposal was

Re: Straw Poll: age:expires vs. dcterms:valid (was Re: Unofficial last call on draft-snell-atompub-feed-expires-04.txt)

2005-10-09 Thread Phil Ringnalda
Mark Nottingham wrote: I'm torn; on the one hand, dcterms is already defined, and already used in other feed formats; on the other hand, the syntax is less-than-simple. Indeed. A perfectly, utterly valid dcterms:valid value: start=George W. Bush; scheme=US Presidents; name=Bush II I'm -1

Re: Feed History -04

2005-10-09 Thread Joe Gregorio
On 10/9/05, Henry Story [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It occurred to me that I should think a little more before speaking. There seems to be a history of the atom spec here: http://bitworking.org/projects/atom/ I could not find the prev link in any of the specs. So I guess I was mistaken.

Re: Feed History -04

2005-10-09 Thread Robert Sayre
On 10/9/05, Mark Nottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The format doesn't reference the API document any more, That's good. and the current API document http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf- atompub-protocol-04.txt doesn't include anything about that link relation; it was removed.

Re: Feed History -04

2005-10-09 Thread James Holderness
In case anyone is interested, the OpenSearch Response draft can be found here: http://opensearch.a9.com/spec/opensearchresponse/1.1/ The rel values they support include next, previous (not prev), start and end. They have a note next to each saying This value is pending IETF registration.

Re: Feed History -04

2005-10-09 Thread Mark Nottingham
Looks like the whole use URIs for non-registered values approach has already gone by the wayside. Oh, well. Next time, it should just be URIs, period -- no shortcuts. On 09/10/2005, at 3:41 PM, James Holderness wrote: They have a note next to each saying This value is pending IETF

Re: Feed History -04

2005-10-09 Thread James M Snell
I don't think not using the URI is a problem so long as the intent is to register the value and you make an attempt at standardization. The problems arise when folks use names when they have no intention of standardizing or registering. - James Mark Nottingham wrote: Looks like the

Re: Feed History -04

2005-10-09 Thread James M Snell
I've been considering asking the Opensearch folks if they would be willing to separate their next/previous/first/last link relations out to a separate spec that could be made a working group draft. The paging functionality they offer provides a solution to paging in the protocol and are

Re: Straw Poll: age:expires vs. dcterms:valid (was Re: Unofficial last call on draft-snell-atompub-feed-expires-04.txt)

2005-10-09 Thread James M Snell
James Holderness wrote: I'd be in favour of dcterms:valid (preferably restricted in form) for the following reasons: * I'm worried that producers of RSS 1.0 feeds would be more likely to use dcterms:valid and thus consumers would be obliged to support it anyway. I would expect anyone

Re: FYI: Advertising Web services with Atom 1.0

2005-10-09 Thread James M Snell
Would dc:conformsTo work in this case? Aleksander Slominski wrote: James M Snell wrote: Aleksander Slominski wrote: it is interesting that atom reader (in this case it seems to SharpReader) is actually rendering text content of |content type=application/xml EndpointReference

Re: Straw Poll: age:expires vs. dcterms:valid (was Re: Unofficial last call on draft-snell-atompub-feed-expires-04.txt)

2005-10-09 Thread Eric Scheid
On 10/10/05 2:02 PM, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * dcterms:valid has slightly more functionality in that you get to specify a start date. I don't necessarily want more functionality. The atom:updated date gives us a perfectly good start date. Perhaps atom:published would be

Re: Straw Poll: age:expires vs. dcterms:valid (was Re: Unofficial last call on draft-snell-atompub-feed-expires-04.txt)

2005-10-09 Thread Mark Nottingham
Yeah, that kind of tears it for me; we could profile it, but I'm less than convinced that the potential reuse is worth it (esp. when it's so trivial to map age:expires into dcterms:valid). +1 to age:expires. On 09/10/2005, at 10:21 AM, Phil Ringnalda wrote: Mark Nottingham wrote:

Re: Straw Poll: age:expires vs. dcterms:valid (was Re: Unofficial last call on draft-snell-atompub-feed-expires-04.txt)

2005-10-09 Thread James M Snell
Yeah, I've been thinking a bit about that. The only thing that was holding me back was that atom:published is optional and only appears on atom:entry. I wanted the extension to be able to work on the feed level also. That said, the spec could be updated to say that IF the published date