Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Eloquence FTW!! Been rolling with it since 1998. Have it on my NvDA and galaxy s8 and not ashamed of it.  The reason eloquence crashes so easily is because it is so old. But it is seriously one of the best and most responsive synths in my opinion. When

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings 96 and 97, that is true, but I am not familiar with voiceover personaly, I can get a mac some how, but I am a gamer, so, no games for me, well, not alot. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=348475#p348475

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Lol guys. If you don't like something, don't install it. It's a wast of your disks space anyway. If you really want to use the computer from the beginning when you first start to set it up, go spend the money on a MacBook, MacBook Air, or a MacBook Pro

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings What ever, where is the discusion of crash strings in the page 3 and the page 4? So, this topik can start a flamewar, please treath it with care. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=330121#p330121

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings @JimmyDub haha you say that? Can't even count the number of things you insulted. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=330117#p330117 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings wooow. insulting someone's vocabulary. nice way to get your point across ass hat. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=330108#p330108 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings JAWS and other paid screen readers were developed because there was a need for them so blind people could use computers. That's how you start a business. Determine what the market needs, find a way to make it available, and sell it for profit while also

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Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings @90 yeah, perfect example for my post 83. You with so good vocabulary that you can only say insults have nothing to do in a screen reader discussion. How are we paying MS for accessibility? It's included in the price? OK then, sighted people pay for it too

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings ok, a big thumbs up to jimmy and orko. they've already said everything i wanted to say. NVDA is a pile of shit.and ggf. seriously? you think that you don't pay ms for the accessibility? if you seriously think that you should go and do some research because

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Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Adding to this. To start out, i started with JAWS 6 i think? I was around eight years old, and it was okay I guess, but it did slow down the school computer which was on Windows XP. I used different versions of JAWS by itself for about six years or so

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Hi, @CAE_Jones the purpose of all these elements lists, as I see it is that you can for example open links list on a website with a lot of links and use first letter navigation to find the one you want. As I said I don't use them so there might be more use

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Lol. I give up.The same poster that said more people bash JAWS than NVDA just proved my point. Most people bash JAWS because of the expensive cost. I don't accept it, but can understand why persons do it.NVDA's great web support is why I switched

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Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings nidza07 wrote:Well about NVDA remote security, it is completely not true. Even if it was, create your own server and noone can hack you. You tell me well I don't know how to do that? A person who figured out by himself that someone can hack you so easily

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Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings If were gonna talk about web browsing, i'm going to say that voiceover is the best screenreader for browsing. It is much better than either NVDA or jaws and that is another reason why I plan to switch over entirely to mac. As for pages, I didn't realize

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Well about NVDA remote security, it is completely not true. Even if it was, create your own server and noone can hack you. You tell me well I don't know how to do that? A person who figured out by himself that someone can hack you so easily like that should

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings @Rory, if you need to use Windows for a longer period of time, consider upgrading to a newer version of JAWS, you will see numerous changes.Doesn't Microsoft Word on Mack work for you? And, can't you use Pages as a word processor, or you encounter

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings And to the guy who asked why everybody bashes NVDA? Well, why does everybody bash jaws, is the real question. I've seen more people bash jaws than NVDA, so not sure where you get your info.Something to point out I forgot to above is that jaws is litterally

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Well for 1, NVDA is terrible at announcing formfields, where as jaws actually announces that stuff. NVDA does not. One thing I will say, however, is that NVDA works with google chrome, where as jaws, at least version 12, does not.Jaws though, has different

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Jaws works better with Spotify than NVDA does? Not the last time I checked, which was about 6 or 7 months ago. Both can utilize the basic functions of the player, such as listening to and searching for tracks. However, I couldn't add songs to playlists

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Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings I'm also curious to know. NVDA works well on many webpages. I also hear that NVDA is very good about supporting the latest web standards. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=329175#p329175

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Might I ask what exactly is wrong with the way how NVDA deals with the web? I mean, I clearly see that you don't intend to use the program, but at least provide some use cases and examples, rather than throwing your profane words around. URL: http

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Rory wrote:Jaws has speech history? How do I use that? I had to use NVDA's clip copy thing until i updated it and litteraly all my add ons got deleted, yet another reason I will never switch over completely.insert space and h. it will bring up all your

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings SkyLord wrote:hi all, guys. I had decided it's time for me to write here. About jaws, never loved it. When in my 7 years when i just started it was royal pain for my old computer to handle it. Lags, all that. And finally i broke it. I had never managed

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings CAE_Jones wrote:When you have to pay the price of two computers to use one, "a little prisy" is quite the understatement.Is Jaws better on web browsing in general, or is it just IE/EDGE? Real question.it's better with web browsing all together. a

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Big thumbs up to that last post before mine! :-) URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=329164#p329164 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https

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Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Hi.Having been in the university environment, I can say that NVDA, although not professional, helped me a lot. Yes, I miss hearing font attributes with a different voice, but I think that's it. NVDA can read the status line of a Word document so I can know

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Hello, To activate Speech History in JAWS, you press insert+Space, followed by H.JAWS is a significantly professional screen reader, whether you are in an educational, work, or business environment. It has quite a lot of features that are meant to suit

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings The problem with JAWS, as I see it, is that there's too many features crammed in with it that are not necessary. While the argument can be made that the average person wants the comfort of having a lot of features already at their disposal, so

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Updating NVDA really shouldn't remove add-ons. That's quite strange. Also, if you search on the add-ons site, you will find Speech History add-on.I'm not too sure about the JAWS equivalent though, but knowing how NVDA is open to suggestions on a priority

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Jaws has speech history? How do I use that? I had to use NVDA's clip copy thing until i updated it and litteraly all my add ons got deleted, yet another reason I will never switch over completely. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=329119

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Such comments do pop up from time to time, even on this forum. Then there are the mocking names ("Flaws" "Freedom ScienceFiction", etc). It's just like Apple vs Google, or Mac vs PC, or subs vs dubs, etc. Every nice thing has not-so-n

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings @orko.Which NVDA users do you know bashes JAWS as 'a piece of shit that's on their computer'? I certainly don't have JAWS anymore, having ditched it for NVDA for several reasons, but I can't discredit the value of JAWS in the screen reader market. I can

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Freedom Scientific is using a business model that's over 20 years old. Times are changing. I've said this and I'll say it again. The only valid reason I can think of to use JAWS is either because that's what you're used to or you're using custom scripts

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings hi all, guys. I had decided it's time for me to write here. About jaws, never loved it. When in my 7 years when i just started it was royal pain for my old computer to handle it. Lags, all that. And finally i broke it. I had never managed to break nvda, so

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Say whatever you like, I don't care, because after this message, I'm just going to ignore this thread. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=329081#p329081 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Thumbs up Chris! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=329082#p329082 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Freedom Scientific is using a businesss model that's over 20 years old. Times are changing. I've said this and I'll say it again. The only valid reason I can think of to use JAWS is either because that's what you're used to or you're using custom scripts

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Yes, Orko, it is too much to ask and too difficult. How dare you ask me to respect your choice! I will not do it! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=329075#p329075 ___ Audiogames-reflector

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Whoa! This thread has turned into a full blown JAWS versus NVDA flame war.While I agree with Jimmy Dub that I will never give up JAWS, I strongly don't agree with his assessment of NVDA.Jimmy is doing the one thing that annoys me the most about NVDA users

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings When you have to pay the price of two computers to use one, "a little prisy" is quite the understatement.Is Jaws better on web browsing in general, or is it just IE/EDGE? Real question. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=3290

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings @JimmyDub There is absolutely no reason for you to write something is a shit. Don't like it, don't use it.To everyone else: Clip copy actually got an awesome update, and if you get it from the official addons site which is where you should get addons from

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Accessibility is a human right, therefore politically-speaking, it should be free. You should only have to pay for something if it is an expensive luxury or accessory item. And I'm sure someone could develop a speech history with NVDA's open source. Somoene

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings also jaws's speech history thing kicks the ass of clip copy for sure. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=329032#p329032 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings the only reason I use NVDA is for rtr. other than that I have no use for it and will never change to it full time or anything. especially since web browsing is so much better with jaws. and lol at someone crying about not being able to change the inflection

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Rory wrote:I imagine freedom scientific would update all that as windows improved, wouldn't they? Honestly i'm still using jaws 12 at home so wouldn't really know hehThey've already had to change things when it comes to Edge support, so it wouldn't surprise

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings @afrimYou can OCR a PDF made of scanned images of text now, you don't have to wait for version 2018. Just load the PDF into Adobe Reader, then press Inser + Space to get into layered mode, then press O to go into the OCR layer, then press D for document

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings @Orko, I was pleasantly surprised to hear that OCr on JAWS could be used to scan images and PDF files containing text. This will come on the next version that might be released around November. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=328360

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings LOL! Windows + B doesn't take you straight to the system tray, it takes you to the task bar, and depending on the number of programs you have running you might have to hit the Tab key a number of times to get to the system tray, while Insert + F11 takes you

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings JAWS go away? That will never happen. Unlike Apple, Microsoft doesn't mind if third parties compete with them. Ever wonder why there aren't any screen readers for the Mac or iOS besides Voice Over? It's not because everybody thinks Voice Over is great

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings I imagine freedom scientific would update all that as windows improved, wouldn't they? Honestly i'm still using jaws 12 at home so wouldn't really know heh URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=328346#p328346

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Need to answer to an argument brought up on here: Jaws is faster than NVDA cause of video intercept? Don't know which version of Windows you are using, but if anything above 7 video intercept basically doesn't work in your jaws. It will probably go away

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings I'm eagerly looking forward to that day, but it seems, far, far away. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=328331#p328331 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin

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Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings I never said it was, it just that NVDA allows you to set the inflection level and JAWS does not.Since much of JAWS is written in their scripting language, it wouldn't surprise me to find the inflection setting in one of the scripts that deal with the TTS

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings I forgot to mention also that jaws has a tandom mode that is both more sicure but also works much quicker, i've noticed quite a bit of lag when working with NVDA remote, and strange things have happened to me and others when using it. With jaws i've never

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings I too say that orko has already said pretty much everything I'd say myself, and not for the first time. NVDA is a noble cause and even though I use jaws 99% of the time, I regularly donate to NVDA because  It's great that there's a properly usable screen

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings I too say that orko has already said pretty much everything I'd say myself, and not for the first time. NVDA is a noble cause and even though I use jaws 99% of the time, I regularly donate to NVDA because  It's great that there's a properly usable screen

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings @Post23 If you're a jaws user switching to NVDA, training is mostly unneeded because NVDA works pretty much the exact way as Jaws. I had to read the manual to find out some things, but not very many things because I went to NVDA with a vast knowledge of how

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Petition or not, I don't see either one happening any time soon, so there you go. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=328265#p328265 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Well, I hope the day comes when we have computers with fully usable screen readers installed, and for free. I personally dislike the fac that JAWS uses too many video intercept drivers, which can often crash on you, whereas NVDA doesn't use any video

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings To get built in OCR capabilities, with NVDA you either have to get some third party OCR package, or use the latest version of Windows 10 so that NVDA can use the built in OCR that Microsoft recently added. On the other hand JAWS has had built in OCR

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings I cannot bear Ivona voices. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=328153#p328153 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings The newest version of NVDA is imune to the crash with Eloquence, but worse yet, NVDA 2014 does not support Eloquence, or at least, not that i know of, because it always says that the synthesiser cannot be loaded.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Hi,@andy93: [[wow]], what a hilarious start to the day! My stomach is aching but you know what? I wouldnt have it any other way because Im laughing so much! Thanks for this very funny bug.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=174984#p174984

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Hi,@andy93: [[wow]], what a hilarious start to the day! My stomach is aching but you know what? I wouldnt have it any other way because Im laughing so much! Thanks for this very funny bug.URL: http://audiogamesforum.captivatingsound.com/viewtopic.php?pid=174984

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Hello guys.Look, now that you just talk about eloquence crash strings, Ive just discovered a nice bug in Eloquence, with JAWS15. It also happens with NVDA for those who are using NVDA with that synth drive. Im gonna show it to you, and dont be afraid to read

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings @andy93: Im not usually a fan of this kind of thing, but reading your message in say all with NVDA and the eloquence addon may be the best thing ever. It really does scream and die. ROFLURL: http://audiogamesforum.captivatingsound.com/viewtopic.php?pid=174974

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Victorious, well, one suggestion is Espeak. Ive switched to Espeak because it is very understandable at a very high rate of speed and is very responsive. Once you get use to the voice I think it makes a decent replacement for Eloquence.URL: http

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings I personally am not an eloquence fan anyway, mostly because it cant do a half decent British English accent. orphius human sounding voices Ive always found a great compromise between speed and understandability, though these days with the improvements

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings I personally am not an eloquence fan anyway, mostly because it cant do a half decent British English accent. orphius human sounding voices Ive always found a great compromise between speed and understandability AND THERE ARE NO ORPHIUS CRASH STRINGS AS FAR AS i

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Heres an article why. This one uses the word Web hes day as an example.http://castellanito1986.blogspot.com/20 … uence.htmlURL: http://audiogamesforum.captivatingsound.com/viewtopic.php?pid=174621#p174621

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings Victorious, in this case the best way to avoid that problem is simply not to use Eloquence. There are plenty of decent alternatives so that should not be a problem.URL: http://audiogamesforum.captivatingsound.com/viewtopic.php?pid=174624#p174624

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings

Re: Jaws eloquence crash strings I dont know of anything that sounds as good as eloquence that is understandable at very high speeds.URL: http://audiogamesforum.captivatingsound.com/viewtopic.php?pid=174625#p174625 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing