Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-12-03
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Vazbol via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people Oh come on Nate, we can create a Christmas raffle for this on some unique player-owned items this go around. Considering it's about the time for giving, I'm sure there'd be player interest to take part in it. Alternatively, 50% of the money raised is given as donator cash for everyone active during Christmas. Many ways to spin this to bring up support. I don't think this is the first time something like this has been done before, I vaguely remember a special donation held that came up during one radio broadcast. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482497/#p482497 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-12-03
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : dardar via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people I think Cosmic Rage would be open to such a venture, but, am not entirely sure if the player interest would be large enough, sadly. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482336/#p482336 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-12-03
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : nightshade via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people We are totally open to doing some other kind of raffle with $1 tickets if people are interested and if anyones willing to donate prizes or suggest prizes. Let us know what your interested in and we can talk it over. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482319/#p482319 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-12-02
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Vazbol via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people Oh look, the random political attacks have arrived to the derail the topic. unlike many, many, many others that have made a wrong accusation, Jayde retracted their position and apologized. most others tend to be constantly belligerent until the ban. Anyway, can we just move this back to discussing... ...Plan B. Is there plans to adjust the lottery to offer something else? Other options seem to be a lot more limited with the payout, unless you can do what Liam managed and get some sponsorship from game creators here to give away game keys as prizes. Granted, my knowledge on the legality of such a raffle is not something i have looked up yet. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482206/#p482206 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people Lol. What a shitshow. Saving this one. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482086/#p482086 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-12-02
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : dardar via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people Wow! I never new this topic would be so explosive when I clicked on it to see what it was.I was like, huh, Alter Aeon is running a lottery? that's cool I woo *gets blown backwards out the door*.Amusement aside, I wanted to contribute my own 2 credits worth to the conversation, (and that's virtual credits, not AA credits!)I come from a background on Cosmic Rage where I can empathise with Dentin in many respects, in the fact that the staff on cosmic Rage all have equal slices of the authority pie. This, often, prevents favoring, biasness, and is all around a fantastic system. this also means that each of us has the power, should a situation occur, to step in and say wo. Take five, and lets rethink about this.I must admit, right through reading all that kept circling around in my head was "communication breakdown" right up to where Dentin said it, and I just nodded to my computer screen like "yep."I think the thing is, there are good and bad points to this entire thing, and its such a shame it ended like this, if I may, I'd like to summarise and see if I understood the entire thing:*good point: This was a great idea, and for a great cause*bad: Should have waited for Dentin's go ahead, before publishing anything public at all.*good: Opinions are taken account of, and, while I skipped a couple of earlier posts, concerns about transparrency seemed to be being addressed*bad: Shadowfax's reaction may have been slightly over the top, however! He may have been acting within strict guidelines, for example: He could have, instead of removing the post, temporarily hid it with a message like: "this message has been hidden until approval from Dentin has been reached." Now, he may not have done this, because AA may not yet have the facilities for this.*good: Dentin is aware of this issue. It's always good for the Big Queso (that's big cheese), to know of problems like this, and to be able to trace them right through.*bad: Why is everyone jumping on Jayde? I feel like I'm being left out. I like Jayde and feel like I'm missing something every time I read a "lets jump down on Jayde" post. Don't like feeling left out. Sniff.If I may make a suggestion to both sides to finish up this post, I hope it will find them in good standing!1. Nocturness: In the future, perhaps make sure, when grouping with other muds or organisations or business, to get their 100 percent, signed and dotted paper okay to go ahead first, before announcing anything public and getting your fingers burnt. I can't tell you how many times I've done this, and now learned from it. Companies have various policies, rules and licences and may not be willing to grant leeway on something, but others they may. Better to ask first, rather than have to disappoint others.2. Dentin: May I suggest an internal assessment, just to ensure all the members of staf are fully up-to-date with Alter Aeon customer facing policies and guidelines, to insure misunderstandings and such like this through tone don't happen again?thanks for reading, and sorry for mangling the spelling of everyone's name other than Dentin. Y'all should have nice to spell easy names. Like Bob. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482072/#p482072 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-12-01
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : gisco_tn via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people @Jayde You may wish to edit post #24 with a retraction at the top to avoid any further confusion. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481863/#p481863 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people I guess the bit where I kind of just held myself accountable for making a mistake went past you?I guess the fact that I own my shit when I'm wrong doesn't occur?Everyone makes mistakes. Absolutely everyone. Please don't get the idea that I think it's fine if I fuck up while it's not fine if others do.But just because I made a mistake here, that doesn't mean I'm incapable of judging when others make errors. Same goes for the rest of us. If screw-ups disqualified us from pointing out one another's goofs, then we'd all be incapable of judging right from wrong.I was wrong here. It was not for the same reason that I chased another user for. Simply put, I went off on someone based on an assumption that was not correct, then backed off when I realized I was mistaken. Very much an "open mouth, insert foot" moment. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481859/#p481859 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-12-01
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Nocturnus via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people I think I must add here, to lessen any confusion that may be floating around, that at no point in time did I mean to misrepresent Shadowfax. The sections concerning the rules were in fact added in by us to showcase what it was he chose to refer to when he wrote the message and made his decision on how to deal with the situation. Perhaps that is something else I should have stated in post 19, and if so, all I can say in my defense is that it truly was an egregious oversight and once again, I am sorry. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481857/#p481857 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-12-01
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : ironcross32 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people I guess I'm just hung up on the fact that you can let yourself off the hook whenever you want, but you're the one constantly telling others what they're doing isn't OK. Who holds you accountable? Because you don't always make the best choices. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481856/#p481856 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people Take note of a few things.1. I absolutely did not go on Alter in order to bash anyone. I could have, but at no point was I anywhere close to doing so. That would have been extremely trashy.2. I acted based on a misunderstanding. I have, and had, every right in the world to strenuously disagree with the tone of a message. Bear in mind, as well, that I didn't disagree with Dentin wanting to make sure everything was aboveboard; in fact, I clearly stated that I understood this hesitancy, the need to be absolutely sure no harm would be done. I agree that when dealing with real money, you simply can't be too careful. If Dentin had said that the lottery flat-out couldn't happen, and that was it, I'd never have spoken up...because yes, it's unfortunate, but I get it. I don't really have a stake in how they run their game in that sense.3. When it became obvious that I had misunderstood, I apologized immediately and without reservation. If the rules weren't quoted that way, and Shadowfax did in fact say what I thought he said, I think my reaction would have been entirely justified, as that is no way to treat someone who's trying to do good. It's the way you deal with someone you're 99.5% sure is up to some sort of harm. It conveys a guilty-till-proven-innocent mentality that I'm not a fan of in the slightest, especially when the target is someone who is clearly asking for help while trying to give back at the same time. This was not, after all, your basic "scam"; it was intended as a commitment and a lottery, something that could have benefited everyone. However, I got it wrong, and I'll freely admit that. My anger was absolutely misplaced.4. This is nothing like the situation you alluded to where I jumped on another user. This isn't flag-waving with no cause. This is flag-waving with a mistaken cause. Once it was made clear that I had misread, I dropped it. Now, if I were still in here throwing shade on Shadowfax or Dentin? Different story, and you'd be dead right, but that's not the case.Call me an SJW all day. I don't care. I reject the negative connotations that people who are right of center stick on that term. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481855/#p481855 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-12-01
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : ironcross32 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people OK then, the SJW has arrived. God, is this how people see me when I go off on people? Because, if so, i hate myself about a hundred times worse than I already do.Jesus, like it's any of your business how they run their game. Also, if you're gonna jump the gun like that, Jayde, when something doesn't go the way you'd like, then perhaps you shouldn't have came down on Oriol for his pessimistic post, because it's essentially the same thing.I didn't particularly like the wording of that message either, and if those are the rules, perhaps they could stand a rewrite to say the same thing with a more neutral tone. With a game like AA that involves real money, they must adhere to the law far more than a game that doesn't, because there can and will be repercussions if someone reports them for some financial transgression. So, everything needs to be above board.Still, if something I didn't like happened, I'd be likely to tell people, just not drag the entire staff through the mud over it. This just makes me cringe so hard. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481854/#p481854 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people Well, my outrage was based 97% on a complete and utter misunderstanding on my part. I thought Shadowfax was largely stating his own views alongside the other stuff he posted in his mudmail to you, when in fact you were just quoting the rules in question. Shadowfax jumped the gun, but he wasn't attacking you. At worst, he was a bit cold and a little quick to dismiss what you were doing as a straight-up breach of rules with no redeeming quality. Not a huge fan, but that's nothing to condemn the man for.I do not like the way those rules are worded, but I also recognize that scammers happen to try and screw around on AA, and due to the language barrier and various other issues, there's no sense being gentle with legitimately shady tactics either.Put another way, there are several reasons why I don't like AA, but at the end of it all, today is not actually one of them. I misunderstood, got angry, was set straight and apologized immediately upon realizing my mistake. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481853/#p481853 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-12-01
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Nocturnus via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people W lets all take a deep, collective breath if we can.First, at post 18: Dentin, thank you for the way you handled the situation. I cannot honestly know if in fact your having stepped in as late as you did and in the way you did means you, in fact, had just then found out about it and decided to take a definitive stand, or if you were already aware of the situation to some degree and were attempting to do a bit of preemptive damage control, but I'm going to go with the former in an attempt to show that I, at least, believe you were in the right in how you handled the situation regardless and not assume that you did it for any other reason than the lack of diplomacy we were shown on AA. As I previously stated above of Jayde, I happen to feel like he is sometimes a bit hard headed and immovable in his decision making when it concerns moderating the forum and the like... I can't vouch for him or speak against him outside of this forum, obviously, as I don't know him in RL. If I took the time to perhaps read some of Shadowfax's writing, I might find that he is perhaps somewhat in the same mold, cool and calculative and the like and, perhaps he simply felt that he had to deal with the situation right there and then. These are all things I cannot know for sure, and text sometimes gets in the way because we can't know how and in what tone the message is intended. More to the point, for blind people, at least, we're kind of sort of somewhat left at the mercy of synthetic voices, and the wording, plus the voice itself can sometimes bring a much more powerful punch to an already emphatic message. Perhaps there was even some fear that money had already been contributed to the lottery and that there was a need to stop that from continuing as soon as possible in an attempt to further protect AA players in question... I'd like to go on record right here and right now stating that no such thing has happened, that no money has exchanged hands, and that any money which is sent as the result of this topic or any other discussion concerning this lottery will quickly be refunded if in fact it were to occur. IN addition, while it may or may not make a difference, post 1 of this topic has been edited to include the fact that this lottery has been canceled.In light of all of this, I'd just like to reiterate my apology above and state that I myself am sorry for any inconvenience this idea has generated. It pains me to know that anyone would think that I'm out to, in any way shape or form, hurt other people in this community or on AA, as I've always tried my best to show players over the past 9 years of my being there that I am willing to be as generous is humanly possible, and in this community, because it has previosly entrusted me with 400 dollars to give away 20 copies of a popular game.@arjan, post 20: Could of should have would have is the phrase of the day. I tried to point out in 19 that you can never know what, if anything is going to result out of your trying to do something in a good way. As such, I'm neither blaming the AA staff for anything that took place, nor am I going to sit around holding grudges because of anything that took place. While arguably the situation could have, on many levels, been handled differently by Shadowfax, I am also fully aware that the situation probably wouldn't have had to have been handled if I hadn't allowed it to be there to begin with. That fault lies with me and with me alone. One has to keep in mind that for every action there is a reaction, and sometimes you have to learn how those reactions are going to affect you and others around you. It has been said before that you might know that it hurts to get burned, but until you are confronted with it, you may not know how it hurts to get burned. I fell into that category all on my own out of naiveness, stupidity... Take your pick.@Jayde, your anger on our behalf is appreciated, but please try not to be too hard on the AA staff as the result of it. As a past moderator of this site, I can't begin to really imagine the kinds of requests they get on a regular basis, but I do know that people on here who have previously been banned from here will actually contact me off forum by some means in an attempt to see if I was somehow the weakest link and could get them a pass back into it, as if my reputation were such that by my own word then head admin Dark would be willing to unban them or something... I really have no idea why. I've also received hateful communication for bans I had previously issued for good reasons, even on Alter itself!Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is simply that sometimes we don't know what mods or admins are already facing, what kind of decisions they may already be tasked with, what kind of things might be going on in real life that may have had an affect on how they dealt with this or that situation. I'm in favor
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-12-01
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Nocturnus via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people W lets all take a deep, collective breath if we can.First, at post 18: Dentin, thank you for the way you handled the situation. I cannot honestly know if in fact your having stepped in as late as you did and in the way you did means you, in fact, had just then found out about it and decided to take a definitive stand, or if you were already aware of the situation to some degree and were attempting to do a bit of preemptive damage control, but I'm going to go with the former in an attempt to show that I, at least, believe you were in the right in how you handled the situation regardless and not assume that you did it for any other reason than the lack of diplomacy we were shown on AA. As I previously stated above of Jayde, I happen to feel like he is sometimes a bit hard headed and immovable in his decision making when it concerns moderating the forum and the like... I can't vouch for him or speak against him outside of this forum, obviously, as I don't know him in RL. If I took the time to perhaps read some of Shadowfax's writing, I might find that he is perhaps somewhat in the same mold, cool and calculative and the like and, perhaps he simply felt that he had to deal with the situation right there and then. These are all things I cannot know for sure, and text sometimes gets in the way because we can't know how and in what tone the message is intended. More to the point, for blind people, at least, we're kind of sort of somewhat left at the mercy of synthetic voices, and the wording, plus the voice itself can sometimes bring a much more powerful punch to an already emphatic message. Perhaps there was even some fear that money had already been contributed to the lottery and that there was a need to stop that from continuing as soon as possible in an attempt to further protect AA players in question... I'd like to go on record right here and right now stating that no such thing has happened, that no money has exchanged hands, and that any money which is sent as the result of this topic or any other discussion concerning this lottery will quickly be refunded if in fact it were to occur. IN addition, while it may or may not make a difference, post 1 of this topic has been edited to include the fact that this lottery has been canceled.In light of all of this, I'd just like to reiterate my apology above and state that I myself am sorry for any inconvenience this idea has generated. It pains me to know that anyone would think that I'm out to, in any way shape or form, hurt other people in this community or on AA, as I've always tried my best to show players over the past 9 years of my being there that I am willing to be as generous is humanly possible, and in this community, because it has previosly entrusted me with 400 dollars to give away 20 copies of a popular game.@arjan, post 20: Could of should have would have is the phrase of the day. I tried to point out in 19 that you can never know what, if anything is going to result out of your trying to do something in a good way. As such, I'm neither blaming the AA staff for anything that took place, nor am I going to sit around holding grudges because of anything that took place. While arguably the situation could have, on many levels, been handled differently by Shadowfax, I am also fully aware that the situation probably wouldn't have had to have been handled if I hadn't allowed it to be there to begin with. That fault lies with me and with me alone. One has to keep in mind that for every action there is a reaction, and sometimes you have to learn how those reactions are going to affect you and others around you. It has been said before that you might know that it hurts to get burned, but until you are confronted with it, you may not know how it hurts to get burned. I fell into that category all on my own out of naiveness, stupidity... Take your pick.@Jayde, your anger on our behalf is appreciated, but please try not to be too hard on the AA staff as the result of it. As a past moderator of this site, I can't begin to really imagine the kinds of requests they get on a regular basis, but I do know that people on here who have previously been banned from here will actually contact me off forum by some means in an attempt to see if I was somehow the weakest link and could get them a pass back into it, as if my reputation were such that by my own word then head admin Dark would be willing to unban them or something... I really have no idea why. I've also received hateful communication for bans I had previously issued for good reasons, even on Alter itself!Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is simlpy that sometimes we don't know what mods or admins are already facing, what kind of decisions they may already be tasked with, what kind of things might be going on in real life that may have had an affect on how they dealt with this or that situation. I'm in favor
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people If Shadowfax had on his own initiative said the things I thought he said, then that would, in my estimation, mean a pretty large problem.I was wrong on this, however, especially if Nocturnis only quoted rules for clarity vs. Shadowfax just quoting them. Even then, Shadowfax isn't wrong for quoting rules. That's why I apologized in a previous post just before this one. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481817/#p481817 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-12-01
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Dentin via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people Jayde, you have made some bad assumptions. This is the full text of the private message that was sent:-From: ShadowfaxSent: Sunday, December 1st, 2019 at 06:20:27 amI have removed your message from board 7 regarding the credit lotteryfor violating rules 4.6 and 4.7. Do not repost it or attempt tootherwise advertise any such lottery again.-The full text of the rule sections was not part of Shadowfax' message, and was added by Nocturnus above for clarity.All three of Draak, Shadowfax, and Morpheus have the authority to make calls like this when I'm not available and they deem it to be a pressing matter. They do this knowing full well that I may reverse their decisions later, but that doesn't mean they should sit on their hands when they think there might be a problem.Everybody here, including Nocturnus, did what they felt was the right thing at the time. There's no need to be accusatory. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481815/#p481815 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people Then that speaks to the whole staff, and actually makes my point one of the game itself, and not of Shadowfax personally. I do not remember those second parts of the rules being phrased quite so oppressively.As such, I withdraw what I said about Shadowfax having a beef with people experiencing poverty, and apologize. If he was quoting rules verbatim, then he was citing badly-worded rules, not adding badly-worded explanations to rules.I still do not like how this was handled overall, and do not like the assumption that this was a scam, but it's now apparent that this was nowhere near as personally targeted as it originally looked. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481814/#p481814 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-12-01
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : gisco_tn via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people https://alteraeon.com:8081/rules/4/6https://alteraeon.com:8081/rules/4/7He quoted the rules verbatim. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481812/#p481812 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people No malice? Well, let's see, shall we? Deconstruction time.4.6 - Thou shalt not run financial scamsThis includes any kind of scam where a player asks other players forloans of money, gold, or credits in-game with a promise to pay it backwith interest in a short time period.Dentin does not screw around with money. If you run financial scams, you will be removed from the game and your account may be auctioned to try to recover the debt.The assumptions in this part of the post are brutal. First, why is there an assumption that this is a scam? Second, why is Shadowfax presuming to speak for Dentin when Dentin has not actually weighed in yet?4.7 - Thou shalt not beg for credits, gold, or moneyPanhandling might not be illegal in the real world, but it is here on Alter Aeon. If you aggressively panhandle, you will be aggressivelyremoved from the game and have all your stuff auctioned off.Aggressive panhandling is when you go and, I dunno, stand on street corners and get in people's faces asking for money. You've got a sign, you're loud, you're visible, you move to maximize visibility. To categorize what Nocturnis was trying to do as panhandling, much less panhandling of an aggressive nature, is just plain inaccurate and, in my view at least, callous.To be "removed aggressively" from the game also makes me wonder if Shadowfax has it in for people who are seeking donations or help. Why, you ask? Because such a response, in and of itself, was very aggressive. Why the need for it if there weren't personal feelings in volved? Surely, someone in Shadowfax's high position should, while being able to involve himself with such rules, also exercise a degree of candour, particularly if the validity of the situation is still in doubt? The fact that Shadowfax chose not to do this speaks extremely poorly of his character. If it wasn't malice, it was the next best thing.People usually betray themselves with the language they use, and the indications here as far as I'm concerned is that Shadowfax either 1. really, really doesn't like people experiencing poverty, 2. really, really doesn't like it when people experiencing poverty ask for help or 3. has been really badly burned, either on the game or elsewhere, by a scam artist, and is letting personal biases inform his choice of language. I cannot be sure of any of this, but as someone who endeavours to pay attention to the language we use (self included, of course), it makes me wonder. This isn't just random dude using random language for no reason at all.I fully recognize that these things are full of gray areas, Dentin, and I understand why you, yourself, are hesitant to endorse the lottery. It does open you up to a bunch of problems that you frankly don't need to deal with...or it could, at any rate. Your own reticence, I completely and totally understand. But to me at least, the way your staff member dealt with this sets an extremely bad precedent for people who are trying to do legitimate things via a means which, in the wrong hands, might be shady. Put bluntly, there were just so many better ways to handle this. I'll outline just one below.4.6 - Thou shalt not run financial scamsThis includes any kind of scam where a player asks other players forloans of money, gold, or credits in-game with a promise to pay it backwith interest in a short time period.At this time, we are unable to officially endorse or sanction your lottery, and we are removing the link until such time that Dentin can be contacted in order to investigate further. Dentin is understandably very careful with money. Until such time that Dentin gives a go-ahead, do not post any further links or references to your lottery or to the fundraiser in question.Boom. Done. Still shuts it off, cuts any harm off at the source, but does not antagonize, belittle or even shame long-time players who are attempting to cover legitimate service animal costs in a creative way which actually may well have made Alter Aeon money in the long run.To me, this is optics 101, and vital if you want to occupy a position of power. Shadowfax having adopted such a position of power, then misusing it in this fashion, has shattered most of my faith in him as an administrator. It's not just that he jumped the gun; it's how he said what he did. Nah, you can't just sweep this one under a rug and pretend it didn't happen, dude. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481811/#p481811 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-12-01
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Dentin via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people Jayde: Shadowfax couldn't get in touch with me either, and he felt like he needed to do something, even if it was wrong. He tried to find the best set of rules he could, and made a decision based on it. Shadowfax sent the takedown quite a while before my post; it's no different than deciding to proceed with the lottery prior to getting approvals.Please don't assume malice here. As far as I can tell, everyone involved made decisions that made sense at the time, there were just communication problems. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481806/#p481806 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people I am thoroughly disgusted by Shadowfax's response here, especially in light of what Dentin said in the post above yours. It appeared that Dentin was playing cautious but was not slamming the door on anything, so to be dealt with in such a cavalier fashion by a staff member says a lot of things about AA in general, and staff conduct in specific, and most of it is not good.I was not associated with this lottery, and am not particularly close to Nocturnis, but this pretty much just nailed AA's coffin shut as far as i'm concerned. I have no desire to return to an environment where that level of toxicity is the norm from staff, and can only hope that a public apology for the heavy-handed treatment is eventually offered to you.Referring to this sort of thing, when it's been made clear of the nature of the lottery, as panhandling is just incredibly insensitive. It speaks to privilege, and I don't know about the rest of you, but when the self-proclaimed "voice of Alter Aeon" wants to be this much of a jerk, I don't really want to support it.Seriously. This didn't even happen to me, and I'm pissed on your behalf, Nocturnis. If attempts were being made to contact Dentin, and Dentin owns the game, shouldn't the matter have been left to him to handle, as he began to do here on the forum?God, what an operational mess. I am so glad I never actually became a builder there. I strongly suspect I would have seen some sort of idiocy up close and personal, spoken up about it, told somebody what's what, and gotten my ass shoved in the freezer.Gah. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481800/#p481800 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people I am thoroughly disgusted by Shadowfax's response here, especially in light of what Dentin said in the post above yours. It appeared that Dentin was playing cautious but was not slamming the door on anything, so to be dealt with in such a cavalier fashion by a staff member says a lot of things about AA in general, and staff conduct in specific, and most of it is not good.I was not associated with this lottery, and am not particularly close to Nocturnis, but this pretty much just nailed AA's coffin shut as far as i'm concerned. I have no desire to return to an environment where that level of toxicity is the norm from staff, and can only hope that a public apology for the heavy-handed treatment is eventually offered to you.Referring to this sort of thing, when it's been made clear of the nature of the lottery, as panhandling is just incredibly insensitive. It speaks to privilege, and I don't know about the rest of you, but when the self-proclaimed "voice of Alter Aeon" wants to be this much of a jerk, I don't really want to support it.Seriously. This didn't even happen to me, and I'm pissed on your behalf, Nocturnis. If attempts were being made to contact Dentin, and Dentin owns the game, shouldn't the matter have been left to him to handle, as he began to do here on the forum?God, what an operational mess. I am so bad I never actually became a builder there. I strongly suspect I would have seen some sort of idiocy up close and personal, spoken up about it, told somebody what's what, and gotten my ass shoved in the freezer.Gah. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481800/#p481800 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-12-01
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Dentin via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people I apologize for the lack of clarity as well, and we shouldn't go around casting blame. We make the best decisions we can with the information we have, and sometimes we're wrong. That's ok.Personally, I don't think this is a scam. However, it occupies a grey area where things can potentially be really problematic. I have to think about more than just my feelings here, and that means making sure AA stays safe while we figure out the best way to deal with it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481804/#p481804 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people I am thoroughly disgusted by Shadowfax's response here, especially in light of what Dentin said in the post above yours. It appeared that Dentin was playing cautious but was not slamming the door on anything, so to be dealt with in such a cavalier fashion by a staff member says a lot of things about AA in general, and staff conduct in specific, and most of it is not good.I was not associated with this lottery, and am not particularly close to Nocturnis, but this pretty much just nailed AA's coffin shut as far as i'm concerned. I have no desire to return to an environment where that level of toxicity is the norm from staff, and can only hope that a public apology for the heavy-handed treatment is eventually offered to you. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481800/#p481800 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people The people who organized this lottery don't strike me as being particularly untrustworthy, either. The thing is, this could definitely fall under the rules that Shadowfax mentioned. While I personally have no doubt that this lottery is legit, you also have to remember that you cannot just set rules aside based on gut instinct. That would create a precedent which would give other people grounds for similar treatment. Said other people might be slightly less trustworthy than you guys, to put it mildly, but they would still be able to organize a similar lottery, saying something like: 'The night people were allowed to do this, so why not us?'I think the situation could have been handled better from both sides. The message you were sent by Shadowfax wasn't particularly friendly, and there probably was no need for such harsh treatment when you were clearly trying to contact Dentin with your proposal. But on the other hand, you obviously noticed a red flag yourself, or you wouldn't have tried to contact Dentin in the first place. To go ahead with the lottery without the green light was, frankly, not very good judgment on your part either. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481798/#p481798 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-12-01
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Nocturnus via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people Update:It will be necessary to disclose a bit of information before going any further on our end. When you do something of this nature it is hard to determine what someone's response is going to be. All you can do is, particularly if you are attempting to do it with good intentions is to go forward as carefully and with as much transparency as possible. When we first considered this idea we knew only that we wanted to get as much of the AA team involved as possible, if at all possible. As such, we did our best to contact Dentin on multiple occasions throughout the last week. It was our belief he had not responded owing to real life events; perhaps he was with family on the holidays. We went ahead with our plans, thinking that the worst that might happen would be that Dentin would say he would not back us in any way, at which point we ourselves would probably have scrapped it all together, as it really wouldn't have made any sense to continue if there were no one in place who could have held us accountable.Moments after the message was posted on board 7 concerning the lottery Morpheus sent at least one message over gosip as it had, obviously, generated his interest. Through tells he commmunicated that he didn't believe there was anything wrong with the contest, but advised us to get in touch with Dentin for his support. We assured him that we had but would continue trying to do so. A message was sent to the bovine channel last night where most of the AA staff seems to hang out, kindly asking that if anyone knew where Dentin was that he please be notified that he had mudmail from us waiting for him. Today, we received the following mudmail from Shadowfax.I have removed your message from board 7 regarding the credit lotteryfor violating rules 4.6 and 4.7. Do not repost it or attempt tootherwise advertise any such lottery again.4.6 - Thou shalt not run financial scamsThis includes any kind of scam where a player asks other players forloans of money, gold, or credits in-game with a promise to pay it backwith interest in a short time period.Dentin does not screw around with money. If you run financial scams,you will be removed from the game and your account may be auctioned totry to recover the debt.4.7 - Thou shalt not beg for credits, gold, or moneyPanhandling might not be illegal in the real world, but it is here onAlter Aeon. If you aggressively panhandle, you will be aggressivelyremoved from the game and have all your stuff auctioned off.IN addition, our post on board 7 was deleted and the following put in its place:Please do not use this board to solicit real life money for any purpose. Not only can it be annoying, it can get us in trouble for legal reasons.And so, it is for all of the above that we must discontinue our lottery and offer our sincerest apologies for any inconvenience our posting it on this forum, on AA or elsewhere may have resulted in. We can honestly say that we weren't trying to scam anyone out of anything, and that this had never been our intention. to further illustrate this, we must point out that the majority of the money in question would have, in fact, gone to AA itself, which is why we didn't interpret the above mentioned rules as such and find it surprising that they were taken as they were. Furthermore, it was our hope to receive Dentin's support in full so that we could then broaden our horizons, posting it on any social media platforms where gaming groups might converse and exchange information so as to bring AA to more people's attention who might not altogether no about it, possibly resulting in more financial success for it.In closure, I'd like to offer my thanks to Jayde here on the forum for his support in favor of what we were doing and his willingness to give us the benefit of a doubt. If there's anything this experience has allowed me to rediscover, however, it's that we, each and every single one of us, cannot expect the same from everyone else and probably shouldn't, but that there is no sense in hurting about it when you don't get it, particularly if you meant wel to begin with. I'd also like to thank anyone else who might have read this topic and had their reason, good or bad, for believing we might be up to something malicious but who held off on any public judgment. Thank you all for your attention, time and patience. IT is appreciated more than words will ever be able to convey. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481794/#p481794 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-12-01
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Dentin via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people I'm looking into this and trying to see what makes sense from the game/server standpoint. Unfortunately, things involving RL cash potentially open AA up to various legal and money laundering concerns. We'll try to put down some updates to the rules to cover this and a few other cases in the next few days.My gut instinct for now is that the AA admin and staff should not directly participate, and I would prefer that it not be advertised on the AA public boards and admin owned channels.To be clear, this is not officially sanctioned by AA. If there are disputes on the game we'll try to handle them as fairly as we can, but there will be limits to what we can do since much of this is being handled off-game. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481785/#p481785 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-11-30
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Nocturnus via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people @16, thank you for the understanding. Our idea was to give something in return, or to try to, so people didn't feel like we weren't doing our part and just hoping someone else was going to put forth the bill. We've already managed to pay out about 2000 dollars, but it is tough to do when you're not exactly made of money. We were also aware that something like this could go completely bust. Ten tickets purchased would come out to 10 dollars, meaning that if only those 10 tickets were purchased we would lose all the way around, but that's a risk we were willing to take all the same in the spirit of Christmas and generosity and all that.I hold to what we wrote above, even if only one ticket were purchased, someone would walk off with 1 credits. We just thought it might be fun to start something like this and might work out for more people than just ourselves. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481540/#p481540 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-11-30
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Vazbol via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people Meh, I'll probably aim to make a direct donation to the fund rather than having half of it go to a lottery for a game I don't really care for anymore. Will look into this once December rolls around next week. But eesh, I've known friends that have had that issue happen. Especially when the dog itself is not well trained When one spends time with their guide dog and has it taken away, it's really traumatic for both the graduate and the guide dog. One of the major downsides of a bonding period, but that's necessary for building trust and examining habits between dog and graduate. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481521/#p481521 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people Always, every time. I am often firm on first glance because I feel that I have to be. I'm sometimes dead wrong about that, which is why it was such a shit-show when I first showed up.Anyway, definitely don't want to derail the thread. Nocturnis, I am financially pretty tight up against it right now or I'd try and send a few bucks. The situation outlined in the page you linked to is unfortunate and I wish you the very best of luck. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481506/#p481506 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-11-30
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Nocturnus via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people See? That, right there, is why I thought Jayde was honestly the best step forward for the forum moderation panel. I've seen him be hard headed, but I've also seen him be exceptionally diplomatic. When he can get both aspects together? He's not quite golden, but pretty close! I had my reservations because he kind of sort of somewhat invited himself to the panel and was let in so quickly, but I held off on them as much as possible and, besides, it wasn't exactly his fault he was accepted in so quickly or that protocol was sort of bucked in his case. The fact is? It turned out for the better!And for the record? This is the kind of person I want to be held accountable by! Why? Because even though we may have differing opinions I can trust him enough to not step on my toes if he doesn't have to. I also believe he'll listen to me if I have some sort of concern. What's my basis for that statement? While I've only exchanged a few emails with him off forum, I found him rather receptive to anything I voiced. IN the heat of the moment, he may seem immovable and unrelenting, probably because in the heat of the moment he feels like he has to. Give him time to cool down though, if you can, and he thinks things through. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481496/#p481496 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-11-30
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Nocturnus via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people See? That, right there, is why I thought Jayde was honestly the best step forward for the forum moderation panel. I've seen him be hard headed, but I've also seen him be exceptionally diplomatic. When he can get both aspects together? He's not quite golden, but pretty close! I had my reservations because he kind of sort of somewhat invited himself to the panel and was let in so quickly, but I held off on them as much as possible and, besides, it wasn't exactly his fault he was accepted in so quickly or that protocol was sort of bucked in his case. The fact is? It turned out for the better!And for the record? This is the kind of person I want to be held accountable by! Why? Because even though we may have differing opinions I can trust him enough to not step on my toes if he doesn't have to. I also believe he'll listen to me if I have some sort of concern. What's my basis for that statement? While I've only exchanged a few emaisl with him off forum, I found him rather receptive to anything I voiced. IN the heat of the moment, he may seem immovable and unrelenting, probably because in the heat of the moment he feels like he has to. Give him time to cool down though, if you can, and he thinks things through. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481496/#p481496 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people See, that doesn't work though. Haven't you ever heard of benefit of the doubt?Nobody's making you spend money on this. Don't if you're not comfy with it, that's totally your jam and no one should shame you for abstaining if that's the call you go with. I sure as hell wouldn't.But what you did, saying that you hope it's aboveboard because some might suspect foul play/favouritism or whatever, is a lot like walking into a restaurant and saying, loudly enough to hear, "I hope this place cooks their chicken properly and doesn't make people sick". Yes, that's a perfectly reasonable concern to have; nobody wants to get sick from undercooked chicken. But feeling the need to voice that concern in a public forum like this goes back to that bad-faith thing I keep nipping at. Why cast even a little indirect shade on someone when you have absolutely nothing but a blank slate? Why not just assume that if Nocturnis is going through all this legwork, and has generally appeared to be an upstanding member of at least one community (ours) before now, he's extremely unlikely to screw anyone over? If you aren't going to walk into a store openly talking about your worry of potentially shoddy merchandise, and you aren't going to waltz into a restaurant and vocalize your baseless concern that their food might not be cooked properly, then for heaven's sake don't walk into a topic only to essentially say "You guys are using protection, right? I mean I'm not saying you'd screw anyone over, but hey, you might, and we don't want anyone else to say so". Because guess what? In a very real sense, you...pretty much just said so. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481484/#p481484 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-11-29
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : ogomez92 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people Jayde wrote:Given Nocturnis's reputation, I would say that transparency, or fairness at the very, very least, should go without saying. To my knowledge, Nocturnis has never screwed anyone over, so this sort of flagging is an awfully unfortunate first response.I don't know Nocturnus, so my first reaction is to ask. Now, if everyone vouches for him, I have no problems. I was just merely stating the fact that this could easily be exploited. But nice to see it's being taken seriously. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481354/#p481354 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-11-29
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : ogomez92 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people Jayde wrote:Given Nocturnis's reputation, I would say that transparency, or fairness at the very, very least, should go without saying. To my knowledge, Nocturnis has never screwed anyone over, so this sort of flagging is an awfully unfortunate first response.I don't know Nocturnus, so I ask. Is it so bad? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481354/#p481354 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-11-29
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Loxias via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people Aha, yeah I guess since the actual tickets are being bought off game, it isn't the same as it being handled with in-game currency. There's still a chance Dentin may not approve, but there's a limit to what he can do with anything outside of the server. Still, can't hurt to run it by him. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481325/#p481325 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-11-29
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Nocturnus via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people Update: Morpheus has emphatically stated that 3.12 does not apply to us for two reason:1. We're not using in game currency to sell or otherwise generate credits.2. NO bot will be used; all is being done manually.He does agree however, and was first to suggest on gosip that we should get in contact with Dentin if at all possible for his support, as it would be less likely to be seen as a scam. This, we are still trying to do at present, since, as stated above, we're willing to be held accountable at any reasonable cost. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481288/#p481288 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-11-29
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Nocturnus via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people Update: Morpheus has emphatically stated that 3.12 does not apply to us for two reason:1. We're not using in game currency to sell credits.2. NO bot will be used; all is being done manually.He does agree however, and was first to suggest on gosip that we should get in contact with Dentin if at all possible for his support, as it would be less likely to be seen as a scam. This, we are still trying to do at present, since, as stated above, we're willing to be held accountable at any reasonable cost. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481288/#p481288 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-11-29
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Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people Understood, and thank you for the concern. For what it's worth we will not be using a bot of any kind; everything will be done manually. I"m not sure if that'll make a difference, so as I said previously we have in fact tried getting ahold of Dentin, though I dare say he might be busy with holiday related stuff, so we're patiently waiting. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481287/#p481287 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-11-29
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Loxias via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people It's rule 3.12. It says lotteries can only involve Gold. Although, maybe that only applies to bot lotteries. I wouldn't think the rules would be different, but it's possible. Morpheus would probably know better than me, but he's also not Dentin. I would check with Dentin directly on this.Not trying to be a stickler BTW, just wouldn't want to see you get in trouble. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481277/#p481277 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-11-29
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Loxias via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people It's rule 3.12. It says lotteries can only involve Gold. Although, maybe that only applies to bot lotteries. I wouldn't think the rules would be different, but it's possible. Morpheus would probably know better than me, but he's also not Dentin. I would check with Dentin directly on this. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481277/#p481277 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-11-29
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Nocturnus via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people @Loxias:1. Morpheus has already stated it's alright, which conflicts with your statement.2. The mechanics for exchanging/gifting/giving credits from one char to another actually exist. Why code something into a game that you consider against the rules?If you would do us a favor and refer us to the rules section you are concerned with, I would certainly be willing to remain open to your warning and revise the prizes and or lottery or whatever as necessary. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481275/#p481275 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-11-29
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Nocturnus via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people @Loxias:1. Morpheus has already stated it's alright, which conflicts with your statement.2. The mechanics for exchanging/gifting/giving credits from one char to another actually exist.If you would do us a favor and refer us to the rules section you are concerned with, I would certainly be willing to remain open to your warning and revise the prizes and or lottery or whatever as necessary. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481275/#p481275 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-11-29
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Loxias via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people You might want to read the rules regarding lotteries - credits aren't allowed to be exchanged, only gold. Good idea though, lotteries are popular when they pop up. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481271/#p481271 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-11-29
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Nocturnus via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people NO worries, Jayde. I actually already received that kind of response on AA itself. We're trying to reach out to Dentin in hopes that he too will give us a bit of support. We're willing to be held accountable by whatever means necessary. This kind of reaction is quite understandable, but I do appreciate the vote of confidence in post 3 and thank you kindly for it. Honestly, I suspect others will come forth and vouch for me within time. Thumbs up as a way of saying thank you, too! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481264/#p481264 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-11-29
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : moonwalker via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people Yap, agreed Ogomez92 URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481247/#p481247 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people Given Nocturnis's reputation, I would say that transparency, or fairness at the very, very least, should go without saying. To my knowledge, Nocturnis has never screwed anyone over, so this sort of flagging is an awfully unfortunate first response. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481237/#p481237 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-11-29
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : ogomez92 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people Hisounds great but I assume you guys will use some sort of publicly viewable and transparent software to draw lottery winners? This could easily be exploited to, say, have pre chosen winners selected from a group of your friends etc. Not saying you will, just that the possibility exists... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481236/#p481236 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people
2019-11-29
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Nocturnus via Audiogames-reflector
Alter Aeon: a credit lottery started by the night people Credits! Credits! Thousands of credits! You may be able to win them all! For less than the price of a 20 ounce soda in the United States you can win thousands of credits! One dollar? One ticket to win one of seven prizes available! You will also be contributing to a generous cause in the process, as you will soon see, should you continue reading!By default, the pot stands at 1 credits with a chance of rising based on entry and contribution. The first prize winner will automatically win half of that, entirely for themselves to do with as they see fit! This really is a steal, as normally 5000 credits will cost you $50 US. The second prize winner will receive 2500, with prize winners 3 through 7 receiving 500 a piece. We put in a hundred dollars to start the pot, and even if only one ticket is purchased, that person will still receive 1 credits!Need us to sweeten the deal? NO problem! For every 5 tickets you purchase we'll throw in an additional ticket, free of charge, yet another chance for you to become one of the lucky seven! Five dollars = 6 tickets, 10 dollars = 12 tickets. Want to purchase 25 dollars worth of tickets? We'll throw in an extra 5 with your already garunteed extra 5 for a total of 35 tickets! Fifty dollars, you might have asked? We have you covered! Spending 50 dollars will grant you 75 tickets! A hundred dollars? If you must, we will deal with that as well by giving you 150 tickets, 150 chances to win it big! Anything above 100 dollars can be discussed via mudmail if it generates interest!As previously stated, the pot increases with every purchase above 100 dollars, which is our part in the pool. For every dollar contributed to the pot above 100, half will be added to the pool, while the other half will be used to fund a special cause. Feel free to visit this page for more details on what this is. In the spirit of the holiday season, this allows you to not only benefit yourself and 6 other players on the game, but will help further a cause in which your generous contribution will be sincerely and greatly appreciated.Why is this cause important to us? Many guidedog schools in the United states are employing practices we cannot agree with ranging from releasing guides who have not entirely completed their training, to rereleasing dogs that have been previously returned by people for failing in areas that could pose serious risks to the dog and the owner. We actually believe that these schools are not stringent enough when selecting guide candidates, which results in more dogs being taken away from newly graduated students and the student having to return to the school for a replacement, in some cases not even receiving that option.Getting back to the credit lottery, however, we are also aware that there may be people who play Alter Aeon who are unable to participate directly for whatever reason, such as credit cards and or Paypal and other such payment services not being accessible to them for whatever reason. If you have friends in this field or people who have helped you out in the past in some way you were thankful for, this would be an opportune moment to give them something they might like. A dollar you contribute could met them thousands of credits to spend on furthering their chars!If you are interested in this lottery, please feel free to headover to paypal.me/jessm1228 to purchase your tickets. Please add a note when purchasing that includes your character's name. Once you have purchased, please send a mudmail to Mori with your email address and how much money you sent. We will then mudmail you back with your ticket numbers. Prize winners will be drawn and announced on December 31st, 2019. Ticket purchases must be completed by December 30th at 11:59 PM eastern. No purchase after that time will be honored.Need help understanding something? Please mudmail Mori or Nocturnus for further information. We sincerely hope you join! We believe this could be a fun experience for everyone who chooses to be involved, which is also part of the reason we decided to try and pull this off with the year coming to a close. Happy holiday season to you and yours, and we hope to hear from you soon!P.S. I'm not checking private messages on here, as they are currently not showing up as a link on my end for some reason. If you must get in contact with me for whatever reason, mudmail Nocturnus. Also, feel free to spread the word, as the bigger the lottery is, the greater the prizes will be. We happen to know from experience that this kind of thing can take off at a moment's notice, given what happened with this one Happy hunting! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481230/#p481230 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
