Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : JayJay via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project here's the thing there is a topic filled with at least 3 sound designers who are willing to work with folks for free. And on top of that there are people you could have contacted for assistance. And don't give me the, "I'm too hated", excuse. At least you made an effort to try. In fact, blame deflecting instead of actually making a solid effort to safeguard yourself is the reason why this entire situation devolved into this mess which will follow you for years and years to come. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621874/#p621874 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : JayJay via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project I'd just like to point out, there is a topic with at least idk, 3? Free sound designers, 3. For, free. There are also people like Defender and so on who you couldAsk mohamed about getting help with legal sounds, he seems to know a thing or 2 about that. have contacted from the get go for help, so its not like you had to do all the searching from the get go. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621874/#p621874 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project The big concern is that you still believe a sound is just a sound. Step number 1 is getting that out of your head. You recorded doors. Great. Are they top-tier? They most certainly don't have to be, but you do realize that sound design is more than just hitting record, slamming the door and calling it a day. It is more than understandable if you don't have studio space. Hell, many of us don't. But some of us have something resembling studio space or gear, and that doesn't pay foritself. Plusall the time spent recording multiple takes of the same sound, then going later to edit it and make it stand out.As far as I'm concerned, this is what it would take to build trust on this one.1. You need to make a formal application on your site. For your benefit, you should ask people for sound design examples, so that you don't get any bs artists applying.2. You need to give sound designers access to a copy of the game with the folder of unencrypted sounds, with the intention of every one of them that you know is illegal being replaced.3. You need to have the stolen assets list vetted by a person or two who knows what they're doing in terms of sound metadata collection before you distribute the list to your potential applicants. You've proven that you can't be trusted to make the list yourself, as you looked the other way when big-budget sound libraries were part of the equation. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621807/#p621807 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project AGain trying to save face.Tunmi, as far as I'm concerned, this is what it would take to build trust on this one.1. You need to make a formal application on your site. For your benefit, you should ask people for sound design examples.2. You need to give sound designers access to the folder of unencrypted sounds, with the intention of every one of them that you know is illegal being replaced.3. You need to have the list vetted by a person or two who knows what they're doing in terms of sound metadata collection before you distribute the list to your potential applicants. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621807/#p621807 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : tunmi13 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project All right. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621801/#p621801 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project I guess what people are saying is, you've made several projects before, and should have figured this out in your first project, not your fifth or sixth or whatever. That it took you this long, and that you resisted this hard for this long, isn't a good look. Yes, it's good that you got there in the end, but it's going to take a lot of time before you're trusted. Don't turn that back on the people who don't trust you. Your only responsibility right now is to do better, and be better. If you can actually do that, and stick to it, then you will earn your trust back in time. Just give it time. The slate is not clean, and you can't expect it to be for awhile. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621799/#p621799 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : tunmi13 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project This is what I have just learned. So I'll be sure this time around that I try to find sounds which I'm sure are legal URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621798/#p621798 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : defender via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Dangiro said"Moral of the story guys; if you don't know where a sound comes from, don't use it in anything. It's better to be safe than sorry."This is exactly what I had to learn as well. Yes, it sucks that sometimes people aren't clear about their licensing, but a quick email usually solves that issue, and I still managed to find like 250 something GB of sounds which I know the licenses of for sure... And that's without paying. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621796/#p621796 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : tunmi13 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project @Jayde Well by what happened I"ve learned that this is not the way to go. But doing it all on your own is certainly not ideal either. I'm asking for support so that this can be done as a team. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621795/#p621795 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Tunmi, here's the deal.The time to have been sourcing good sounds (i.e., noncopyrighted assets) was -before you made the game public, not under duress from the community. The reason people are mad at you is because you are dragging your feet.Look, I get that a lot of folks use copyrighted assets. You aren't the only one. No one is saying that you are. Most people, when they're caught, make a strong effort to fix things. Some don't, and those which don't usually end up getting blacklisted. You are making an effort, sort of, and that's a start. But "Hey guys can you help me" is not making an effort, it's passing the buck.There is absolutely nothing wrong with sourcing development if you truly are in over your head. It happens. If I ever make a game, I will need a coder and at least one sound person because this is knowledge I simply don't have. However, you're coming across in a way that's really hurting you, because you don't seem to have a problem with stealing assets as long as you aren't held responsible for it. If this is, in fact, the case, then you're going to roast as an object lesson. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621794/#p621794 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : tunmi13 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Understood. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621793/#p621793 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Dan_Gero via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Tunmi, you do realize that by letting anyone join the Dropbox folder you're essentially inviting people to come in and just put in whatever sounds they want, there by increasing the risk that someone could just steal more sounds and cause the exact same damage we're trying to fix? This is exactly what I was trying to avoid happening in the first place. You can't just invite random people into a folder like this because we have no earthly idea of what their intentions are. You also didn't check my post history so you could see that I did indeed make this topic already. I also agree that it does seem to be a bit arrogant to ask a bunch of people to help you with this. I'm not really angry at you or anything, but you need to be more careful in the future. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621791/#p621791 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : tunmi13 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Of course they're not obliged to do so. I am not forcing anyone to do this. Anyone who wants to do this and is willing to do this can, and I don't see the need of telling them not to waste their time when they themselves have said they wanted to help. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621790/#p621790 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Doing your part? Your part is the entirety of the project. You're just lucky people are willing to give their time, but they are absolutely not obliged to do so. This attitude is a concerning one. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621788/#p621788 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : tunmi13 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project @GCW I'm contributing too man. I recorded a few doors in my house two days ago and added them to the list. I am also doing the work as well. I'm not saying that I should just stand there and let everyone do it, I'm doing my part too. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621787/#p621787 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : tunmi13 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Yes, that's my belief.Dan_Gero wrote:Hey Omar...I think I know why. Tunmi is one of many people who believe (or believed) that a sound is just a sound and that it doesn't matter where it comes from. Likely, one of his friends gave him sounds, and he just slapped them in thinking, "Yeah, this sounds great!" He doesn't know where the sound comes from or how his friend got it; he just knows that he likes the way it sounds. It could have came from a free sound library, and he'd be none the wiser because as long as he's got something that fits the game it's good enough for him. Not trying to justify or excuse his actions because there's no excuse for it, but I thought it might explain things a little more.Moral of the story guys; if you don't know where a sound comes from, don't use it in anything. It's better to be safe than sorry. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621785/#p621785 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Even if you choose to accept that, the way this is being handled and the way he has handled past projects is a good indicator of future behavior. If he wishes to change, that should start now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621786/#p621786 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Dan_Gero via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Hey Omar...I think I know why. Tunmi is one of many people who believe (or believed) that a sound is just a sound and that it doesn't matter where it comes from. Likely, one of his friends gave him sounds, and he just slapped them in thinking, "Yeah, this sounds great!" He doesn't know where the sound comes from or how his friend got it; he just knows that he likes the way it sounds. It could have came from a free sound library, and he'd be none the wiser because as long as he's got something that fits the game it's good enough for him. Not trying to justify or excuse his actions because there's no excuse for it, but I thought it might explain things a little more.Moral of the story guys; if you don't know where a sound comes from, don't use it in anything. It's better to be safe than sorry. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621782/#p621782 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Omar Alvarado via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Hey,@tunmi, I'm afraid I have to challenge your logic here for a sec.What your saying is that because everyone else is lifting sounds, it's suddenly ok for you to follow in their footsteps?Allow me to explain just why this is warped logic. That'd be like people committing grand theft, you seeing criminals committing these offenses and you suddenly thinking it's ok to pull off, yet when caught red-handed, you shift the blame back to them.Sure, they inspired you, that does not mean follow in their footsteps.Also the hole not being good at sound hunting. That's still a terrible excuse. As Defender already pointed out, you could have very easily asked for help through the various resources he and other people put together. I wish I had those kinda resources when I first started out.But well done on taking the first step. Although I have no interest in contributing to this project, it's good to see you are at least taking the first step in solving this mess. I would like to see more though. Please stop with the excuses and shifting the blame.Thanks,Omar URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621777/#p621777 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Dan_Gero via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project I hope you know Tunmi, I mean no disrespect towards you whatsoever. I meant what I said regarding how you should give this project to someone who can take care of it better, but I have a desire to help people, and help people I shall. However, I'm not going to replace every single sound myself because that's too much work. I will help you part of the way as best I can, but it's up to you to take it the rest of the way. If you truly want to do better, you'll have to prove to us that you mean it. Once again, I mean no disrespect. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621775/#p621775 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project @Tunmi You dare to come in here and say this isn't your mess to clean up? You literally have the nerve to say that? That right there should be the deterministic factor that anyone uses on whether or not they want to help. He doesn't want to do the work, he wants others to do it for him. Look, if people contribute, that's due to their charitable nature, and charity is not something to be taken advantage of.This is a communal effort? Since when? Oh, I know, because this is a daunting task and you don't want to do it yourself. I don't blame you, I wouldn't either. But neither would I just straight up rip sounds from other projects.Dude, you really have some soul searching to do. You've really got to humble yourself before you have the right to ask for help like that. You basically just said that you dont' think you should have to fix the mess you made, and that other people should help you. Nah bruh, just nah. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621771/#p621771 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Dan_Gero via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project While I've said before that I think Golden Crayon is a unique audio game concept, I definitely agree that it belongs in the hands of a responsible developer with a decent track record to assure its continued and healthy existence. Even though Tunmi isn't as young as I initially perceived him to be, he's still pretty young, and as such, he should be focusing on his life and career. Plus:1. He refuses to use anything other than BGT to code this huge game. His refusal to compromise on things is the downfall of his creativity.2. Let's be honest. He's got kids on his admin team. That just spells disaster. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621766/#p621766 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : tunmi13 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Hi,I get where most of the anger is coming from. A lot of you are just tired of me. I don't blame you, at all. But I know just as anyone else should know, that flooring someone just because of their mistakes is not going to help them solve them, especially if the mistake is fixable, which is what I'm trying to do. Things like this are a community effort, and I don't have the ability to pay for libraries at this point in time. I'm not a good sound hunter, and I don't know how two look in the right places, even when reading the list of compiled resources in the developers room, I can't find any good quality sounds in those areas.However, stating that I should take the labor myself is like saying someone should carry a car on their back without a truck. There are several sounds that are in Golden Crayon, and I shouldn't have to be the one to replace every single sound in the folder on my own. Especially since I don't know what I'm replacing is even legal or not, because not all sounds have metatags or data to prove so. It's best to get help from the people who know that the sounds which they are contributing are actually able to be used without problems like this arising, because some people either record sounds or are actually good at hunting for free sounds with those compiled resources, which is not my strong suit. I can design sounds, I have decent experience in doing that, but I can't find them.But I've learned a few things just by the original designers stepping forward and claiming their stolen assets. I want people to know this. I have never been copyrighted for anything before. I will say this right now. I don't even know what it is like to actually get a copyright claim of stolen content. So I wasn't expecting this. I will be honest, and people are free to attack me for this, but I saw everyone using the same sounds, so I assumed that those sounds were okay to use, and I started using them. I had no idea what their original source was, but since everyone else was using them, my automatic assumption was I should be able to use them too with no issues.But now that I know that's not the case, I will be trying to fix this with people. People are allowed to contribute sounds or replace the stolen assets.And hopefully by doing this it can help not just me, but also Golden Crayon, to become a better game. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621760/#p621760 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Then he has the nerve to make a topic in the dev room. It's one thing for dan_gero to offer the help, it's another for tunmi to openly ask for it. Jesus, his arrogance and tactlessness knows no bounds.I just... just don't think this will be the end of it. People will help him, he'll go on stealing more sounds, and the status quo will be maintained. He's not showing any signs of this being taken truly to heart. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621758/#p621758 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project @Wilson re, post 30:Wilson wrote:If He can't even pay for his own server, How do you expect him to hire a sound designer?Precisely why I had thrown down the gauntlet in post 22. I don't expect him to. That was to drive the point home that producing games of this type costs money, and if he's not willing to face that fact, then this project honestly needs to be put in more capable hands. I say that because this concept is actually good, but damn does it need some future-proofing. We've seen Tunmi manufacture any reason he can get as to why he won't learn Python. A project of this magnitude simply will collapse under his more or less negligence, and his willing to step on the toes of others (stealing sounds, pulling Omar's code out of hte project and replacing it last minute).Paypal forcedly requiring a credit card is bogus. Unless he is speaking in general terms, i.e. he doesn't even have a debit card either, in which case he's right, it does require a card. What did he expect?I mean. It's common for people under 18 to have a Paypal if they also have a bank account. Tunmi from the looks of it he doesn't. That doesn't change the fact he should be paying his server host or making arrangements so that he can be compensated fairly. On the other hand, if the roles were reversed, you offered to help or make arrangements and he says no thank you, I can handle it, then that would be a whole other matter. It's the thought that counts, after all. Now if you start charging for your stuff you should split the fees up anyway, but if you're doing stuff for free and you have someone who can actually afford to sustain the bill on their own, fair enough. But how naive do you have to be to think having your host ask around for donations when you're sitting in your comfortable BGT chair and coding is somehow ok? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621755/#p621755 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Wilson via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project My apology if it sound a bit too harsh. I'm just trying to tell the fact and what kind of guy some of you guys wanted to help. Like I said, I'm not good when its come to wording, So yeah. At Jay, Nope, Coding itself isn't easy. But when you like to do something, You'l do it with out complaining, That make it somewhat easier or maybe even fun.Alternative, Hmm. Actually, Not sure about that one. Maybe just keap making beets in reaper, seems he is really good at that too.Edit. Thanks for giving better explanation @GCW I sorta kinda katch what your trying to say there too. Listen. Although I did apology for how bad it may sounds, I don't take any of it back. Its all true and you know it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621715/#p621715 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Wilson via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project My apology if it sound a bit too harsh. I'm just trying to tell the fact and what kind of guy some of you guys wanted to help. Like I said, I'm not good when its come to wording, So yeah. At Jay, Nope, Coding itself isn't easy. But when you like to do something, You'l do it with out complaining, That make it somewhat easier or maybe even fun.Alternative, Hmm. Actually, Not sure about that one. Maybe just keap making beets in reaper, seems he is really good at that too.Edit. Thanks for giving better explanation @GCW I sorta kinda katch what your trying to say there. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621715/#p621715 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Wilson via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project My apology if it sound a bit too harsh. I'm just trying to tell the fact and what kind of guy some of you guys wanted to help. Like I said, I'm not good when its come to wording, So yeah. At Jay, Nope, Coding itself isn't easy. But when you like to do something, You'l do it with out complaining, That make it somewhat easier or maybe even fun.Alternative, Hmm. Actually, Not sure about that one. Maybe just keap making beets in reaper, seems he is really good at that too.Edit. Thanks for giving better explanation @GCW URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621715/#p621715 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Wilson via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project My apology if it sound a bit too harsh. I'm just trying to tell the fact and what kind of guy some of you guys wanted to help. Like I said, I'm not good when its come to wording, So yeah. At Jay, Nope, Coding itself isn't easy. But when you like to do something, You'l do it with out complaining, That make it somewhat easier or maybe even fun.Alternative, Hmm. Actually, Not sure about that one. Maybe just keap making beets in reaper, seems he is really good at that too. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621715/#p621715 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Sorry for the double post, but I have one additional thing to consider. Let's say that even if dan_gero can get no one else, and decides to take on this project all by himself. Let's say that he curates a bad ass batch of sounds. Is the game's code going to match the quality of the sounds? Is Tunmi going to keep the game running? These are all things that factor into the decision on whether you want to help or not. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621714/#p621714 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Listen, post 30 is not harsh. I'm sorry to say, but if you can't pay for things in the real world, you don't get them. Unless of course you take on a mountain of credit card debt. I know this is a lot to ask of teen agers who think life's not fair because they can't get a credit card or a paypal, but this is life. One must play the hand they're dealt.If someone wants to host him, fine. If he doesn't pay them, that's between him and the hoster. However, when he literally tells his hoster to go ask for donations, that's fucking ballsy and just downright tasteless.Let's say you're a younger version of yourself and you built a treehouse. This is your club house where you go and spend time in. Now, a friend says, "Hey, I want a club house too, but I can't get one. Can I use yours?" You, being a good friend readily agree to this proposal. Now your friend brings a bunch of stuff in. It makes moving around inside a bit difficult.Since you built your club house, you appreciate it even that much more. So you make sure that when you bring snacks out, you dont' leave open bags of chips and stuff, because you don't want ants and other bugs in there. But your friend doesn't care. Oreos, chips, all that stuff is there and open and now there's ants crawling all over his stuff and yours. Thinking the best of him, and that he just forgot to clean it up, you call him and ask if he'll come over to help you clean out the club house. To which he says, "I'm busy and I can't, but you can ask around town, maybe someone else will help."You feel downtrodden, because it's no one else's responsibility but your friend's. Still, you know you need to clean up, so you take to the task and get it done. The thing is, that afternoon you expected to hang out at the skate park. So you lost an afternoon to someone being a bad friend. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621713/#p621713 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : titan_of_war via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Ug i really wish he would just use his own sounds, not stolen ones, second of all how can he not pay the gi that's hosting the surver for him if he bout those sound libs.? i mostly agree with everypost hear, i fiel like if anyone helps it would just be a waist of your time, i also kind of fiel really bad for Tunmi, i mean i no you'll disagree with me but, like we keep bashing and bashing him and sure he has stolen sounds also, but i really fiel like this game he was thinking yeah, this is it, this is the one that everyone will be happy about, i guess not, yet anyways. but i bet he can fix it. He's not to far down the hole imo. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621711/#p621711 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Dan_Gero via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Now that I realize he is almost 18 years old, that kind of changes a few things. I was basing most of this on the fact that I thought he was about 13 or 14 based off the sound of his voice, but I guess I should’ve asked. That being said, I still want to help a little bit because I’m too nice to not help, but I’m gonna have to Think on exactly how much time I want to put into this project. I know I haven’t said much on this, but I just figured I would come here and state that I am reading your posts and I am listening to what you guys are saying here. I will return here later when I have come to a decision. I do genuinely want to help the community, but not if it means being taken advantage of, and based off the evidence you guys have given me that seems like a huge possibility here. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621709/#p621709 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project I wouldn't mind asking a good friend to host my stuff, but again the keyword is a good friend. One that I talk to often. And if I charged for a product that requires the server for the product to be of use, then I would even consider giving them 20 to 30% of all revenue I receive just to say thanks. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621707/#p621707 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project I wouldn't mind asking a good friend to host my stuff, but again the keyword is a good friend. One that I talk to often. And if I charged for a product that requires he server for the product to be of use, the n Iwould even consider giving them 20 to 30% of all revenue I receive just to say thanks. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621707/#p621707 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Juliantheaudiogamer via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project @30: I agree. If someone else hosts the server for him, Tunmi should also pay the server costs. And about Paypal, he'd probabbly have found another payment method somehow.Anyway, just one more reason why this isn't a good idea. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621705/#p621705 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : JayJay via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Yeah, you make coding sound like some easy task. I'd like to see you make an alternative. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621702/#p621702 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project i gotta agree with 31 hereyes, i condemn the action of stealing sounds, but post30 is a bit much in my opinion.besides, your playing that game for free. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621700/#p621700 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project i'd gotta agree with 31 herewhile i condemn the action of stolen sounds, that is over the top in my opinion.besides, your playing that game for free. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621700/#p621700 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : mohamed via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project @30, While i don't agree with 99.99% of tunmi's actions, But that post sounded like a bit of harsh, The guy doesn't have paypal, He tried doing one but was unable because of paypal now requiring actual credit cards so there's no way for him to do it unless he gets a real credit card and link it to his account, So that's that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621697/#p621697 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Wilson via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project @Jack, In case you didn't know, The guy who host the server for tunmi is paying the server with his own pocket change. Tunmi doesn't pay the guy at all, As far as I'm aware of.If He can't even pay for his own server, How do you expect him to hire a sound designer?Guys, This is the type of guy you would like to help, a guy who just ask for help and let you do everything without him giving a care?If you forget. He ask us all to donate to the server hoster. He ask us to pay for his thing. I don't know, Its like, Hey dude, Would you host my game and pay for the bills for me as wel, If you don't have enough, just ask for donations from everyone. Isn't it more or less saying hey dude, Can I liv at your place and you clean it for me everyday? If You can't do it alone just ask around, I'm sure they lend some muscle. In the meantime, I'll go do my thing. He only wanted to do the part that he like, which is coding.I know the example above is crood or might not even make much of a sence, But this is what you need to get. Your willing to help a guy who just want to do the easy part/the part that he like and then let you do 95% of the work.Remember, The game came out a fiew days ago So I don't see any of this changing, not anytime soon. I said something in post number 95/96 in the original topic, And I say it again.That shining light of hope I see in tunmi, is gon now, And by the looks of things, It would be a while before it can change. I would be happy if I can be prooven rong on this one.If your stil willing to help, Good luck I guess. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621685/#p621685 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Wilson via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project @Jack, In case you didn't know, The guy who host the server for tunmi is paying the server with his own pocket change. Tunmi doesn't pay the guy at all, As far as I'm aware of.If He can't even pay for his own server, How do you expect him to hire a sound designer?Guys, This is the type of guy you would like to help, a guy who just ask for help and let you do everything without him giving a care?If you forget. He ask us all to donate to the server hoster. He ask us to pay for his thing. I don't know, Its like, Hey dude, Would you host my game and pay for the bills for me as wel, If you don't have enough, just ask for donations from everyone. Isn't it more or less saying hey dude, Can I liv at your place and you clean it for me everyday? If You can't do it alone just ask around, I'm sure they lend some muscle. In the meantime, I'll go do my thing. He only wanted to do the part that he like, which is coding.I know the example above is crood or might not even make much of a sence, But this is what you need to get. Your willing to help a guy who just want to do the easy part/the part that he like and then let you do 95% of the work.Remember, The game came out a fiew days ago So I don't see any of this changing, not anytime soon. I said something in post number 95/96 in the original topic, And I say it again.That shining light of hope I see in tunmi, is gon now, And by the looks of things, It would be a while before it can change. I would be happy if I can be prooven rong on this one. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621685/#p621685 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Wilson via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project @Jack, In case you didn't know, The guy who host the server for tunmi is paying the server with his own pocket change. Tunmi doesn't pay the guy at all, As far as I'm aware of.If He can't even pay for his own server, How do you expect him to hire a sound designer? This is the type of guy you would like to help, a guy who just ask for help and let you do everything without him giving a care?If you forget. He ask us all to donate to the server hoster. He ask us to pay for his thing. I don't know, Its like, Hey dude, Would you host my game and pay for the bills for me as wel, If you don't have enough, just ask for donations from everyone. Isn't it more or less saying hey dude, Can I liv at your place and you clean it for me everyday? If You can't do it alone just ask around, I'm sure they lend some muscle. In the meantime, I'll go do my thing. He only wanted to do the part that he like, which is coding.I know the example above is crood or might not even make much of a sence, But this is what you need to get. Your willing to help a guy who just want to do the easy part/the part that he like and then let you do 95% of the work.Remember, The game came out a fiew days ago So I don't see any of this changing, not anytime soon. I said something in post number 95/96 in the original topic, And I say it again.That shining light of hope I see in tunmi, is gon now, And by the looks of things, It would be a while before it can change. I would be happy if I can be prooven rong on this one. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621685/#p621685 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : mohamed via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project he'll think to shut down sooner or later, Because well... Bgt? And we all know how tunmi with py is. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621671/#p621671 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : mohamed via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project he'll need to shut it down if he's really serious about the game, He'll need to recode it in python sooner or later and we know how tunmi with python is... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621671/#p621671 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Meatbag via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project I won't trust tunmi with my efert, also his games usualy last no more than 7 months, so nope, not wasting time URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621667/#p621667 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project it is coded in bgt. That alone I think is enough to not waste my time. I don't support bgt in any way. If pragma were to ask for his sounds to be replaced tomorrow, and payed everyone involved 100 bucks, I still wouldn't do it now. And because he already said no previously.I don't make too many projects, and I am still learning. But the few that I have managed to get partially built so far, all use original sounds that I either purchased a zap splat account for, or my friend has helped mix a few sounds together that he has from other legal resources he has that I do not. And sometimes he uses both materials from my collection and his. I'm not a sound designer, so I don't invest as much as he does. But it is nice to be able to ask for his help sometimes, because together we can make a bad ass batch of sounds all from legal sources. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621661/#p621661 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Juliantheaudiogamer via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project I agree with GCW and Defender here.I think Tunmi will only really learn if he faces the full consequences of his behavior.I also doubt this game would stay up for long anyway, so I don't know if this project would even be worth it.I also think that you can't really prevent people from lying and smuggling in sounds they stole themselves.So I think this project is hopeless. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621640/#p621640 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project @Defender:The information referred to is post 37 in this topic this is the original post that put Tunmi on the defensive a bit. This is where Omar goes to explain what Tunmi did to his code. He would then later go on to lift assets. That was how I came to the conclusion that if he's done it once, he may very well do it again. Even now he is apparently cherry-picking which assets to replace according to post 23, and is considering not replacing the sounds obtained from libraries he knowingly illegally obtained.God what a shitshow. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621620/#p621620 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project @mohamed: THat's just ass-backwards.If that argument wouldn't work for a clner then ti wouldn't hold up for a sound thiever either. Even if a sound library is a torrent with 59421 seeders, that still doesn't make it legal.Just for the record, all posts in this thread from me up to and including this one have been in a non-staff capacity. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621617/#p621617 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project So, here's what I think needs to happen in order for this sound design effort to be safer, and more organized. This is not direct instructions, more so what I would deem acceptable if I was considering sound design work for this project.1. Tunme needs to take the initiative of hiring a sound designer. Yup, I said hiring. He hasn't offered us any favors. Phantom is right on this one, we should not be obligated to pick up the pieces, especially for free. Again, if Tunme is no sound designer that in and of itself is fine, but I don't think we should be going around unloading our services for free, even a select few of us.2. Both Tunme and the sound designer should enter into a legal agreement (if the dude is just about to turn 18, he can wait on this one then.3. The list should be vetted by anyone part of our own community that had their assets lifted. Checked and rechecked. Tunmi's word alone can't be trusted.4. Then starts the process of sound replacement.5. Tunme then must hold up his end of the bargain, and insure he can provide whatever compensation was agreed upon. If that means selling the game, so be it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621595/#p621595 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : mohamed via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project the thing is... The game is full of stolen sounds from stolen paid libraries, And last i talked to tunmi, He just want to replace stolen stuff from phantom, Not the other stolen shit because he thinks that if a stolen library is spreaded too much around, It means that it’s somehow, In tunmi’s logic, legal, And i won’t work with someone that has that logic if i were you... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621614/#p621614 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project So, here's what I think needs to happen in order for this sound design effort to be safer, and more organized. This is not direct instructions, more so what I would deem acceptable if I was considering sound design work for this project.1. Tunme needs to take the initiative of hiring a sound designer. Yup, I said hiring. He hasn't offered us any favors. Phantom is right on this one, we should not be obligated to pick up the pieces, especially for free. Again, if Tunme is no sound designer that in and of itself is fine, but I don't think we should be going around unloading our services for free, even a select few of us.2. Both Tunme and the sound designer should enter into a legal agreement (if the dude is just about to turn 18, he can wait on this one then.3. The list should be vetted by anyone part of our own community that had their assets lifted. Checkedadn rechecked. Tunme's word alone can't be trusted.4. Then starts the process of sound replacement.5. Tunme then must hold up his end of the bargain, and insure he can provide whatever compensation was agreed upon. If that means selling the game, so be it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621595/#p621595 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project So, here's what I think needs to happen in order for this sound design effort to be safer, and more organized.1. Tunme needs to hire a sound designer. Yup, I said it. He hasn't offered us any favors. Phantom is right on this one, we should not be obligated to pick up the pieces. That being said, if Tunme is no sound designer that in and of itself is fine, but I don't think we should be going around unloading our services for free, even a select few of us.2. Both Tunme and the sound designer should enter into a legal agreement (if the dude is just about to turn 18, he can wait on this one then.3. The list should be vetted by anyone part of our own community that had their assets lifted. Checkedadn rechecked. Tunme's word alone can't be trusted.4. Then starts the process of sound replacement.5. Tunme then must hold up his end of the bargain, and insure he can provide whatever compensation was agreed upon. If that means selling the game, so be it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621595/#p621595 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Here's a crucial reason why people aren't so sure about this, DanGero. If you'll likely recall, Omar gave his account on how flaky Tunme was with collaboration in Dangerous Drive. He mentioned how Tunme would yoink Omar's code and replace it with something of his own doing. Never mind the fact Omar's code worked, presented a nice set of features, and the features themselves Tunme did enjoy. Yet he managed to screw up the game and only just make it playable by time of release. He turned what would've been quality into a manufactured halfassery. Then he has the balls to backstab Phantom Creations a second time by blatantly stealing assets and only offering to replace the sounds while under duress? Even then, not following through with immediately removing the sounds until he knew he was done in by a report to his hosting company.So here's what could possibly happen. Tunme has not fully handed over the keys to leverage the sounds folder. Yes, DanGero has the sounds otherwise how else would he be able to convert them, but he still holds access to the encryption key and code used for packaging them. Now that his trust is near fully eroded, who's to say he isn't above a bate-and-switch re-release of the game without any of our assets? What if, while sound designers are busy busting their asses on sounds, he's torrenting more libraries behind our back and is just going to release the game with even more stolen assets?This is precisely why Lauren made that warning post. It isn't so much of a revenge tactic as it is warning people that they're just as likely to get backstabbed if they help him any further. Because right now, he hasn't done anything to prove that he'd take the redesign for what it is and truly credit its creators, or even re-release it with those assets in the first place. A backstabbing of that nature, when we're talking the replacingof a thousand some sounds, could be a major demotivator, and as a sound designer I would say I would stand to lose quite a lot if I were to join this gratis sound replacement effort. Even if not financially, I'd certainly risk wasting a metric crap-ton of time. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621594/#p621594 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : defender via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project No, I'm not willing to work on this.Not only does he have hundreds of vaguely named and not well organized sounds which need replacing, but based on his past coding, I don't even necessarily believe that the game will be particularly stable or stay up for long.If this was a well known, existing game things would be different, but at this point it's basically a gamble, and when it comes to that much of my time, I'm not willing to make bets, especially now that I have school.Really though, the fact that he didn't bother using all the resources I and others put together for just this purpose to find sounds before public launch, despite knowing the communities views on sound reuse, or at least bring someone else on bored to do it for him, all just to push up the release schedule, that's really not making me feel very charitable.If he can't be more mature or less lazy about it, I'm not going to waste my effort. I wish anyone who does decide to help the best of luck though, and I hope the game does well, or at least that he learns a valuable lesson from this and improves in future. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621580/#p621580 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : defender via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Frankly, I'm not willing to work on this.Not only does he have hundreds of vaguely named and not well organized sounds which need replacing, but based on his past coding, I don't even necessarily believe that the game will be particularly stable or stay up for long.If this was a well known, existing game things would be different, but at this point it's basically a gamble, and when it comes to that much of my time, I'm not willing to make bets, especially now that I have school.Really though, the fact that he didn't bother using all the resources I and others put together for just this purpose to find sounds before public launch, despite knowing the communities views on sound reuse, or at least bring someone else on bored to do it for him, all just to push up the release schedule, that's really not making me feel very charitable.If he can't be more mature or less lazy about it, I'm not going to waste my effort. I wish anyone who does decide to help the best of luck though, and I hope the game does well, or at least that he learns a valuable lesson from this and improves in future. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621580/#p621580 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : defender via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Frankly, I'm not willing to work on this.Not only does he have hundreds of vaguely named and not well organized sounds which need replacing, but based on his past coding, I don't even necessarily believe that the game will be particularly stable or stay up for long.If this was a well known, existing game things would be different, but at this point it's basically a gamble, and when it comes to that much of my time, I'm not willing to make bets, especially now that I have school.Really though, the fact that he didn't bother using all the resources I and others put together for just this purpose to find sounds before public launch, or at least bring someone else on bored to do it for him, all just to push up the release schedule, that's really not making me feel very charitable.If he can't be more mature or less lazy about it, I'm not going to waste my effort. I wish anyone who does decide to help the best of luck though, and I hope the game does well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621580/#p621580 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Dan_Gero via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project GCW, you have a good point. I’m a bit too tired to comprehend it fully right now, but I like your idea. My kindness can only go so far when I’m doing most of the work and I feel like if I saw this thing through all the way to the end, I would be doing 90% of the work. I’ll try to come up with a good game plan tomorrow. For tonight though, I’m just gonna take it easy. I haven’t been sleeping well lately, so it’s become really difficult to focus on things like this. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621558/#p621558 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project GCW, I like your compromise. I think Tunmi bears responsibility and needs to do more than just pass responsibility off to someone else for his screw-up. But at the same time, I don't necessarily think that means he should do 100% of the labour. Doing some of it would definitely give people the idea that not only did he admit he was wrong, but now he's trying to fix it. At that point, everyone else helping him is simply speeding up a process, not replacing his labour for their own. I quite like this.I take this sort of logic and apply it to everyday life. If you do something ugly to someone, and you at first make excuses or won't apologize or won't acknowledge the harm, then I'm not really interested in helping you, giving you second chances, etc. But if you say something like, "Look, I screwed up, and I'm sorry, and I'm not quite sure how to get better", and if I get the idea that the person means it, then I'll meet them halfway. This fits even better with, say, something like addiction, where the behaviour is destructive, but the user feels a compelling need to keep doing it. If you make no effort to change, I have no desire to help. If you make an effort, even if you wobble or you're slow or you're not quite sure, and if that effort is consistent, then that sets up your intent, displays it for all and sundry to see, and while good intent doesn't erase harm, it makes said harm a little easier to come back from. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621554/#p621554 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project So then his game dies. Who is at fault? Certainly not you, right? How's he gonna learn? If every time he does something reckless or foolish, and someone's there to bail him out, how will he learn?you say you want to help him? By not engaging in this endeavor, you are offering the best possible help you could. Because he would then have to buckle down and do the work himself, or it wouldn't get done. But wait, because an idea just struck me. This is a compromise between our two positions, and it would allow you to test him and find out his true motives. The best part of this is that even if he reads this and learns what you intend to do, it doesn't matter.Take everyone who wants to help, and divide the work up into slices until half the work is planned out. Then start on it. The goal is for him to work on the other half, but, if by the time you reach the end of your half of the sounds, he hasn't completed 1/3 of his, you stop there. The reason I say that it doesn't matter if he finds out about this is because this is enough time for his true motivation to show. If he really is contrite, if he really does want to fix this, he will be motivated to do so. If he's working on his part of the bargain actively enough that he's got a 3rd done by the time you get half done, I feel he's deserving of the rest of your help.You could even fudge the numbers into whatever configuration strikes your fancy. On the other hand, if you were to tell him that you weren't going to go through with it, I bet he'd get mad, but instead of outright saying so, he'd get all passive aggressive and the attitude would show. He's young, but he ain't that young. He's turning 18 soon. I know there's a lot of emotional development in those years, but he's coming to the tail end of that, and should at least be able to act reasonably here. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621544/#p621544 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Dan_Gero via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project The thing is, I don’t think he’ll do it. If I told him tonight that I wasn’t going to do this anymore and he would have to do it himself, I think he most likely would not. That’s why I’m trying to help, so it won’t even become an issue. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621542/#p621542 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project I'm not saying ban the game, I'm saying that he got himself into this, and he should be the one to get himself out. You've shown signs of extreme naivety in the past, and even now. Not that that's a bad thing though. I think we all go through our ideological phase where the world is this great, open, sprawling metroplex of kind, caring, and compassionate people, but it's just not so.Look, if he turned this thing around, and he actually put the work in, and he didn't just write down sounds and have everyone else do it, then I could look at him with a little more respect. I'm not saying he should be relegated to the archives for all eternity either. I'm just saying I don't think it's worth bailing him out of this, when he got himself into it. Not only that, but fixing this will be a great lesson in taking responsibility for his actions.I want to see contrition from him. I want to see less attitude and passive-aggressiveness. I want to see him man up and accept the wrongs he's done and attempt to make them right.You want to help him learn? How's that gonna happen if he just gives a list of sounds that need fixing and says alright boys, get 'er done! Look, if this is something you want to do, by all means, go for it. I think it's foolish, but whatever. What does my opinion matter in the grand scheme of things. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621540/#p621540 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Dan_Gero via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Why? Because he needs to learn that this isn’t OK. Sure, he’ll learn that this isn’t OK if the community cuts him off and he grows up to be hated by everyone, but that’s a depressing life to live. Adults don’t deserve to suffer because of something they did when they were a kid, and I did worse things as a kid. I’m better now that I’m an adult, and he could be too, But boycotting him isn’t the answer. Plus, like him or dislike him, it’s undeniable that Golden Crayon is a unique audio game. To my knowledge, the only game where you can build things and allow other people to check out what you built in a 3-D environment has only been done one other time in 3DYW, and to my knowledge, it doesn’t exist anymore. It seems unfair to both the developer and the community to ban a unique game solely on the basis of it having stolen assets. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621533/#p621533 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Dan_Gero via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Why? Because he needs to learn that this isn’t OK. Sure, he’ll learn that this isn’t OK if the community cuts him off and he grows up to be hated by everyone, but that’s a depressing life to live. Adults don’t deserve to suffer because of something they did when they were a kid, and I did worse things as a kid. I’m better now that I’m an adult, and he could be too, But boycotting him isn’t the answer. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621533/#p621533 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Hell no, I ain't helping, because this sounds like a mismanaged project already circling the drain. Besides which, my give a damn where Tunmi is concerned has been broken for quite some time. This thing with Phantom Crafting has just shattered any hope of it ever being repaired.So here's the thing I don't get about the low quality thing. The developer of the game fucked up, so you want to punish the players by giving them shitty ass sounds instead of dealing with this another way? You're not really going to get what you want here. You're not going to manage to make sounds that are thief-proof or that you can easily identify should the need for an investigation ever arise.Why, precisely, do you want to help him? This was his mistake, and the mess he made should be his to clean up? You know, I might actually consider it if this were his first project, or his first strike with the community, and he seemed contrite and wanted to make it right. But he tried to foist the responsibility off of his own self and craft a narrative in which he was being bullied and big bad Phantom Crafting was the evil villain.I get the desire to help people, but you may want to consider someone else a little more deserving of the help you want to offer. He's misappropriated assets from more than one person, and seems to only be changing because he's being pressured to do so, not because he feels the need to. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621530/#p621530 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : MatthewSmithYT via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project @11Oh, for sure.I'd definitely be willing to help if you wanted. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621517/#p621517 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Dan_Gero via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Yeah, that’s kind of what I was thinking too but I wasn't sure. I think I'll work on replacing those as well. Nevertheless, it would definitely help to have a team. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621516/#p621516 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : MatthewSmithYT via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project I'm pretty sure the doors that he didn't say anything about were ones that he had that he wasn't sure if they were stolen or not. Like, sounds that he had, but nobody said anything about, so he's not really sure. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621514/#p621514 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Dan_Gero via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Update: Tunmi actually compiled a full list of sounds that need to be replaced already, but here's the thing. I'm seeing that there's files from this folder that are missing from both the sounds that belong to him and the sounds that need to be replaced. For example, in the sounds that belong to him section, I can see door sounds 186-197, but in the sounds that should be replaced section, I only see door sounds 83-117. This means that nowhere in this file does it mention anything about door sounds 1-82 or 118-185. What could this mean? Could that mean he's not sure about the others? Could it mean he wants to keep those ones regardless? Could it mean he just missed some files to add to the document? My natural instinct would be to replace all the sounds in the must replace section and the ones that went unmentioned, but I really don't know. I could use the help of Defender/Zarvox/An-Idiot again, because then we could just go through the sounds, and anything they recognize we could replace. Ideally I want to have a small team helping me with this so we can prevent theft, because the more people you have the more chaotic it can get, and I was working with those 3 at one point and they seem to really know their stuff. GCW, you seem to know your stuff too, but I'm not sure if you'd want to help or not. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621508/#p621508 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : JayJay via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Have people email y'all the sounds and then you, tunmi and the gc admin team can go through and see what you like or not URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621506/#p621506 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Dan_Gero via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project I suppose you're right, but even then, how do you propose we right down all the file names of the sounds that are in the folder? Also, couldn't people just steal the sounds that others put in specifically for the game? I guess the most secure way to do this would be for us to go at this alone, but then that would take a very long time. There's got to be something that I'm not thinking of here. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621505/#p621505 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : JayJay via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Ugh, it completely messed up the post. What I was trying to say is the point shouldn't to get identical versions of the previous sounds. It should be to get sounds that function well as, or even better than the previous ones. I just feel if you put out a general list of sounds that Tunmi has a shortage on may yield higher and better results than if you made people sift through thousands of low quality sounds. I mean put it this way, what if someone had a lib of for example, elevator sounds, but ooops, it seems my type of sound isn't needed. But then if the list said, domestic transport, doors, lifts, etc, then the person would be more compelled to give their sounds, or imagine someone reading the list and saw tiles needed, and they had never before heard sounds, they'd be more compelled then if they had to again, listen to all the sounds. We again come back to the issue of putting out the work done by the Phantom Creation team and others, no matter how low quality they are. FAce it, some dickshit putting out the next exciting ultra special rip off of RS is gonna go, oh, look at all these sounds I have in my ownership. That's just my opinion though, others may agree, others will disagree. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621504/#p621504 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Dan_Gero via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project I personally need to hear the sounds so I get a good idea of what to replace them with. The idea here is to make sure that people don't have to drastically change their maps. We don't know, for example, what door sound is a sliding door sound or a screen door or whatever it might be. Sure, I could go through each and every sound and write down in a document exactly what it sounds like, but there's a couple thousand sounds here and thus it would be pretty much impossible to do that. Plus, if it's low quality enough, people can tell what it is but aren't going to be so compelled to use it because it's just that bad. I know I'm not a sound designer and I don't know the first thing on sound design, so if anyone has any suggestions that will prevent thievery while at the same time not making it near impossible to do, I'm all ears. Of course, another part of preventing theft is hiring people with a good track record on this forum as well, and I'm not just going to let everyone in of course. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621501/#p621501 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : JayJay via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project @4,. idk, the point shouldn't be getting exact replacements. The point should be to get substitutes that may function as well as, or even better than the sounds before. I just feel if youelevators, crowds, etc may yield much better results. And, again. The idea of putting out a bunch of stolen sounds in the public, no matter how low quality just shouts problems waiting to bu rst. Face it, look at how crappy audiogame clones are, yet still people still make billions of rip offs. I can easily see the same happening with the sounds. put out a general list, for example, the list the Phanton Creation staff gave tunmi, or just a list, example, buses, planes, trucks, sliding doors, URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621503/#p621503 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Dan_Gero via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project I personally need to hear the sounds so I get a good idea of what to replace them with. The idea here is to make sure that people don't have to drastically change their maps. We don't know, for example, what door sound is a sliding door sound or a screen door or whatever it might be. Sure, I could go through each and every sound and write down in a document exactly what it sounds like, but there's a couple thousand sounds here and thus it would be pretty much impossible to do that. Plus, if it's low quality enough, people can tell what it is but aren't going to be so compelled to use it because it's just that bad. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621501/#p621501 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Why would you convert the sounds to a lower quality, and how exactly would that stop thievery? It sounds like you don't know anything about sound design, so this is a pointless venture. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621499/#p621499 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : JayJay via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project UM, even though you're making the sounds lower quality I don't think its a good idea. Instead of putting the sounds out there, which will be poor quality anyways, why not make a general list of possible sounds? Then people can go by that broad list and put them in instead of all the sounds being public, no matter how low quality. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621497/#p621497 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project
2021-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Dan_Gero via Audiogames-reflector
Golden Crayon Asset Replacement Project Hello...As you guys may have seen in the Golden Crayon topic, a lot of things came up regarding stolen sounds. I don't want to see Golden Crayon get removed from audiogames.net, because I feel like there's not a lot of games like this. For that reason, I decided to jumpstart this project to replace the sounds that were stolen in the hopes that things can get back to normal. Fortunately, Tunmi agreed on this. Here's the game plan.We have a Dropbox folder going, and Tunmi has just sent me the sounds that are currently in the game. We started this Dropbox folder for people who wish to help us get this done. I could probably do this alone, but there's a lot of sounds to replace so I could really use the help. There's a few things that need to be done before we start inviting people, and I'll edit this post to reflect our progress as we go along. I know some people might still be angry at Tunmi (and if you are I won't blame you for it) but I've always believed in giving people another chance, and I want to help as best I can. I'm also doing this to prove that as long as someone is determined enough, there's always an alternative to stealing sounds. Let's do this.I'm going to be batch converting the sounds to be low quality so that nobody has a chance of stealing them again, because that would defeat the entire purpose of this folder. This won't take long for me to do.I need some volunteers to help me come up with the rules. These rules are in place to prevent people from putting in stolen sounds and counting them as their own. I will make a heading below this post where you can read the rules so we're all on the same page.After the rules have been written and fleshed out, I'll start inviting people to the folder.Rules for the FolderWhenever you replace a sound, you must state exactly where you got the sound from and what it's called. This is to prevent people from stealing other sounds and claiming them as their own.I am well aware that people could lie, or the sound in question could have been created by them or they could claim that it was. Amendments to this rule maybe necessary. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621496/#p621496 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
