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Re: Inspiration or Objectification Perhaps that class opinion thing is more common in the states Theo, sinse I know in America for some reason there is a lot of anti government and anti centralization sentimentt. Less so in the Uk, one reason why the labour party has fallen down so much in

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification Perhaps that class opinion thing is more common in the states Theo, sinse I know in America for some reason there is a lot of anti government and anti centralization sentimentt. Less so in the Uk, one reason why the labour party has fallen down so much in

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification for example my brother was refused a job because the firm in question believed he couldn't get to work without a car, despite the fact they were on the buss route.Given all my anti-regulation rambling, I would like to point out this is an area wh

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification As regards studdies and data, my actual point was not whether women were! discriminated against in economic terms because of requiring maternity leave (a fact I'm still not convinced on), but whether it would be right! for an employer to do so.We

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification Teachers also in my public school used different methods to make me greatly understand what our school system included, in different subjects, such as biology, chemistry and others.I guess that that situation I mentioned above, and what the others had

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification @Afrim, I can see that not beeing fun. Luckily in both of my mainstream experiences I escaped that sort of thing sinse both were good schools, though the biology teacher did say he found it interesting devising alternative ways of explaining bio chemistry

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification This kind of behaviour related to other people occurs to me. I mean I am, or I should be like an inspiration for some students, especially for my classmates. When I first enrolled at my public school, and I started studying and studying everyday, normally

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification The arguement in terms of prophet is a bit more stark there Cx2, though i don't disagree a lot of that risk and even more  seriously legal responsability idea comes into it. The fact is, if a company believes (rightly or wrongly), that a disabled p

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification There are two sides to profitability of course, one side being risk aversion to focus on a guaranteed income. Where companies are risk averse in this way that makes it all the harder for us simply because they see us as a risk. URL: http

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification Theo wrote:I never meant to imply that regulation is never effective, merely that there are definiteexamples where it has the opposit effect to what was intended.When I said to be careful what you wish for, I merely meant to be werey of these unintended

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification I never meant to imply that regulation is never effective, merely that there are definiteexamples where it has the opposit effect to what was intended.When I said to be careful what you wish for, I merely meant to be werey of these unintended consequences

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification @Cx2, that is true. It's something of a historical irony that Edwin Chadwick was campaigning from the 1860's onwards for the government to install a sewer system, and getting no where until the weather lobbied on his behalf .eUnfortunately Phi

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification @Cx2, that is true. It's something of a historical irony that Edwin Chadwick was campaigning from the 1860's onwards for the government to install a sewer system, and getting no where until the weather lobbied on his behalf .eUnfortunately Phi

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification @Cx2, that is true. It's something of a historical irony that Edwin Chadwick was campaigning from the 1860's onwards for the government to install a sewer system, and getting no where until the weather lobbied on his behalf .eUnfortunately Phi

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification Amusingly in reference to Dark's point London only got public sewers because the smell one summer reached the houses of parliament and all the MPs found it unbearable. Up until that point effluent literally ran in the streets, the roads were act

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification @Dark,So what we need is something like Google Glass with an eye-contact app.It also has to describe the _expression_ of the person you are looking at and report any changes.It would also be nice to have a data base of all people so that the app can tell

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification I'm afraid I don't agree on the regulation thing there theo, case in point, Black people and busses in America in the 1960's. As martin Luther King said, you cannot change people's attitude by law, but you can legislate to regulate

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification I'm afraid I don't agree on the regulation thing there theo, case in point, Black people and busses in America in the 1960's. As martin Luther King said, you cannot change people's attitude by law, but you can legislate to regulate

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification I did check these things. I wish I still had the study, because as far as any type of studies, this was very comprehensive, looking at factors across multiple jurisdictions, and multiple companies.Anyway, my main argument was that human behavior is like a

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification I did check these things. I wish I still had the study, because as far as any type of studies, this was very comprehensive, looking at factors across multiple jurisdictions, and multiple companies.Anyway, my main argument was that human behavior is like a

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification But is that quality of maternity leave caused by a desire for fairness or due to a cultural expectation that women should drop out of work in order to care for children? Sometimes you have to check these things, as they say correlation is not causation

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification Would you argue that it is right not to employ women because women are more likely to take maternity leave?Oddly enough, jurisdictions with very good maternity leave regulations tend to have fewer women in the workforce, and companies with good maternity

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification Regarding swamp, the "graphics" aren't intended as a full representation of the enviornment anyway, it would be wrong to assume they were, they are more like a place holder blip meater, all the information is still sound based. Regardin

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification Even 2D games can in some cases be difficult or impossible to make accessible depending on the design in question, a focus on point and click interfaces leaves us out in the cold.Games which are playable by blind people are all well and good but I think

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification @camlornYes, commercial big budget companies won't add blind support on their own. Not now, not ever. The only way to get this done would be if the government would add subventions, tax cuts or similar incentives for doing so. But I don'

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification My point about Swamp specifically is that it's below even those.  My understanding is that enemies are dots, you're a circle, and that's kind of it.As for other games, sure, we've had a few examples.  But I just don't see this ta

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification @Camlorn, Blackbird is correct on the games angle, especially as far as indi games go, there are a lot of smaller scale indi titles that don't have all those major 3D graphics but are popular nonetheless, equally look at the way companies who make

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification I'm inclined to think the woman in question was also under the expectation that she would say what the blind society wanted her to. Societies while ostensibly for the benefit of the people do try pretty hard to raise their profile, a higher profile

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification One issue I've noticed here is that many people in society see disability as being different. Society sees disability as a condition that prevents a person from doing something, while the person with said disability may or may not concur with

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification @camlornI agree with you that sight impaired and sighted people will never play the same mass market game together on the same level. However, in the last 12 months the concept of asynchronous play has gained momentum. Primarily in the indie game space

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification 1: While we will always be at a disadvantage I don't feel simply living with a disability is an achievement in itself. I do feel people like Steven Hawking who not only live but excel in spite of their disability are making their achievements all the

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification Ah, yes.  And actually you're not playing devil's advocate.  I do not expect this to change much.  I never have.As for education and perception, I think that they go hand in hand for us; they feed on each other in a vicious cycle.  You're

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification @camlornTo be the devils advocate for a second. Why should employers or society in general deal with and cater to sight impaired people and certain special needs? What would be the benefit? The market for example is already harsh and unforgiving to

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification @Camlorn, I do totally agree that society's perceptions have a huge part to play in terms of disability, any disability and blindness in particular sinse so much information (written information etc), is conveyed visually, my point is just that the

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification @Camlorn, I do totally agree that society's perceptions have a huge part to play in terms of disability, any disability and blindness in particular sinse so much information (written information etc), is conveyed visually, my point is just that the

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification It should also be noted that, in the specific case of blindness, even very basic education is new for us.  People in wheel chairs or with any of a variety of physical ailments often do not need major accommodations.  I'm referring specifically to t

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification @Blackbird, eye contact has a lot more to it than that. In many noisy and crowded environments (ie most pubs, clubs and places where a lot of younger adults interact), none verbal communication is pretty much the only! method possible due to ambient noise

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification @DarkNow that you mention it, sight impaired but otherwise normal people in popular media are a very rare thing indeed. I'd be interested to find out as to why this is. It is certainly true that eye contact is an important aspect of facial expression

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification @Blackbird, with regards to your last point, evaluation of disability (any disability), by a none disabled person is a really! problematic area, and is the reason so many disabled people are out of work or passed over for positions of responsability sinse

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification I must say that the death of Stella Young or rather what followed is quite sad and tragic. If you read the various obituaries you can see the exact thing she was so outspoken against. She gets celebrated for her outstanding inspirational value despite the

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification Well the first thing I got from her video is that she's deep in the social theory of disability. This is the theory that says "disability in and of itself is not a bad thing, it's society's perceptions that make it so" I don

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Re: Inspiration or Objectification Interesting. I encounter this often, mostly at university where random people tell me they're inspired by the fact that I'm actually studying. I found it a bit odd in the beginning but have gotten more accustomed to it over time, but it never b

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Inspiration or Objectification Edit: Well, the forum software changes the word p o r n to spam. Just so you know. I'm not talking about canned food here.Hello there,I've just saw an interesting YouTube video about objectification and idealization of disabled people as "ins

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Inspiration or Objectification Hello there,I've just saw an interesting YouTube video about objectification and idealization of disabled people as "inspirational spam". Stella Young who is giving the talk and died about two weeks ago related to her disability. Sh