Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? Hey, Jayde, totally understand you.! My knowledge of programing is really limited and basic but I know about games itself, I played a lot and saw a lot in my life.In my opinion this community is closing many times on cooperation and doing things

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? Hey, there's nothing wrong with stating your opinion. That's what the forum is here for, by and large.I agree with you for the most part. Some people are great coders and poor balancers/actual world developers. Then you get folks like me, who can't code

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? Well...Audio games are still really limited, easy to play (mostly) short, boring in terms of story lines (if there's any), not addicting enough (with few exceptions) and overpriced (usually)One thing I learned in my life is you don't need lots of cash

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? Amen to that, having to understand the crystals in order to destroy them in the correct order lest you breathe a sigh of distress because you got the blue one last and it decided to restore one of the others just when you were getting ready to finish

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? I would have to do a playthrough on hard starting at level 1, which I'll do when I have time...but even on normal I didn't notice specific strategy. i.e., turn 1 the boss does this thing, then turn 2 one of his lackeys does this other thing to help him

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? @Jayd, have you tried it on all the difficulties?  I assume you have given that you're making such a statement.  I figure that kind of thing might happen on easy, which was my first go with the game; I still haven't finished by first go around yet

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? lol Noted and well spotted.  Actually, I have a habit of copying and pasting people's names in which escaped me this time around, probably because I was too busy thinking about goodness only knows what else. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? Her or his user name is spelled Jayde,. I thought you would want to know. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=348882#p348882 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? @Jade, have you tried it on all the difficulties?  I assume you have given that you're making such a statement.  I figure that kind of thing might happen on easy, which was my first go with the game; I still haven't finished by first go around yet

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? Actually Love quest...on that score, the idea of "talk to everyone" pays dividends.slightspoilersBeatrice will help you. And she's close by the armourer, so while it's a little bit of an odd one, it's not utterly impenetrable.I'm assuming I'v

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? @Nocturnus  Imitation I think is a far better word than clone lol.  AHC definitely imitates a lot of fantasy RPGs - whenever I describe it to my brother I'm like "It's like Skyrim" so I totally think of that more than a clone of something. 

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? @CrystalD,Awesome stuff and well phrased post; thumbs up on 63.  I'm not trying to discount any of what AHC has done.  My concern actually lies in the fact that a game of this caliber comes out and then we settle for saying that this is the best we can

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? That's about where I am as well. It deserves a lot of praise for what it does right, but it has a few notable things that might do well to be addressed as well. This is a very solid game that has a few areas where it might improve, but that isn't a bad

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? @Jayde I couldn't have said it better myself!  I consider a clone to be a 1 for 1 rip off of something.  Like you could say Final Fantasy 3 is a clone of Final Fantasy IV if you're going off of mechanics, but they both have differing stories

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? I like it!  Seriously!  I do!so much so, that I'm willing to give it away! I'm not here to bash on it, not here to rip it apart, but honestly, I just wish we had a bit more, uniqueness in our games overall.  I love it!  From the amusing and quirky

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? As someone who's actually done my fair share of design from the dev side (online and otherwise), I can tell you largely why magic hits more often than melee. It's because magic actually has a cost. You can plug away with a mace and sometimes you'll miss

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? Crystal, thanks for this. Clearly you get it.Manamon is not a terrible game, btw, even if it's a shameless clone. Its status as a shameless clone should absolutely be held as a point against it, however, because even if it's virtually bug-free and has

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? Manamon is 100 percent a clone of Pokemon and when I ran across it I was shocked that they could even get away with it.  I find it ridiculous that anyone would defend it because "It's name is different so it isn't a clone" because as Jayde so

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? Well manamon is the clone of pokemon, but there is digimon, the japanese have cloned their own thing so it hardly seems to matter.Unlike some of us they seem to not have any issues cloning things with slightly different names.I do aggree manamon's idea

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? @Jade:The thing with FF is it's a Japanese game, and Japanese games tend to know what they're doing and take their time to get it right, it's a cultureal thing as much as anything for the Japanese to do the best they can in life or anywhere else

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? so here's a thing that's been bothering the hell out of me for a while now. People seem to sling about the word clone like it's some sort of insult. Don't like someone's game? Durr ur gams a clone lolz.  It's almost like these people think that because

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? All these things having been said - and there are some good points here, I should add - I do want to make a counterpoint.Final Fantasy VI came out in 1994, and it's still a damn good game. Crono Trigger came out a year later and it's hailed as one

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? thank you, thank you thank you thank you!  with post 49 I think we can just about wrap this baby up!  :d URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=347785#p347785 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? I do think though that audiogames are inherently limited thoughI don't care about HRTF or binural audio or 3D audio positioning, I care about gameplay. Just as I don't care for photorealism or 4K resolutions or textures either.I'd rather have

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? @47, well phrased and precisely what I was trying to get at.If there's any system I had a ton of fun with I'd say Atari systems in generall really hit the spot.  Nes was fun to some degree as well.  My generation and younger thinks it's all retro trash

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? You've just described games as a whole Nocturnus. Yes, RPGs are similar. Game stories, regardless of what game, are predictable  and safe. You play the game, it's all familiar mechanics.Is it wrong to want to raise the bar? No. Is it wrong to want

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? That one's going to take some explaining, isn't it?  AHC being a clone of TB because the same creator; that's like saying Aprone's swamp is a clone of castaways because... I'm sure you get the point.If you're going to say that AHC is a clone of anything

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? JaceK wrote:Hey. I'd play a Chrono Trigger audiogame thanks. That game was a classic.Also FWIW, AHC is, by your description a D clone, so that argument's back on D borrowed an incredible amount of material from Tolkien, and he from Norse and Celtic

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? AHC is wait, a tactical... battle clone? wait wait wait, wait wait.. just... hold up. The dude who wrote tactical battle wrote the engine for AHC, its... his... engine, so its a clone. oh, lord, please., if there is a deity, or a force of energy

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? Yeah, BK3 is still the bar for the average dev, IMO. That I've been aiming for that since 2005 and still can't get there informs my pessimism a bit of a bit.Balancing optimism vs realism is hard. Low expectations are horrible, and ought to be fought

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? this goes on way in hand with the other topic I had created that discussed pretty much the exact same issue. Which is, audio game market. But only because this one talked about the hippest and latest people were probably more likely to reply

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? Hey. I'd play a Chrono Trigger audiogame thanks. That game was a classic.Also FWIW, AHC is, by your description a D clone, so that argument's back on URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=347590#p347590

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? Let's put one ridiculous idea to bed.AHC is not a clone. It's not even close.Does it use a similar engine to Tactical Battle? Yes it does. Does that mean it's a clone? Absolutely not. One is a real-time strategy game, the other is a turn-based RPG. Sorry

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? well ian reed is part of outofsight.Ahc is not exactly a clone but its the final release of the rpg engine beta.Before there was tactical battle which is still good but if it creates enough units it will simply run out of memmory buffer space

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? It's a clone in the sense that every turn-based RPG is a clone of Final Fantasy, I guess. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=347448#p347448 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? The person that started this thread mention that AHC is a clone.I would like to know what game is AHC is suppose to be a clone of?I will say that even if a game is a clone of a video game that is alright with me.I use to be able to play video games when

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? @Jade,I like it.  the rest of us, lets try to take a step back and breathe a little; I'm sure we're all passionate concerning our feelings on this subject and that's perfectly fine, but a few posts out here concern me owing to the negative conotations

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? I just want to jump in with a couple of things here.1. I agree that we will never game on quite the same playing field as the sighted. That's just the way it is. We're going to be better at some things, they're going to be better at some other things

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? Right Player and the 'hardore' Madden fans bitched about their game being accessible to blind and disabled players instead of fixing broken features, it seemed EA according to the hardcore Madden 'fans' put more emphasis on acessibility than fixing

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? @JaceKOk. Maybe, going to a convention with a game, that has only audio, wouldn't work out that well. But there are games, that are trying to cross this bridge. Code 7 for example. And the developers were at the GC last year. And things have changed

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? Well said URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=347287#p347287 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? Note: probably deleting this later, because reasons.Reality's a Grench, so to speak. 100 years ago, we were just starting to change the millennia-old status quo that everyone was either a farmer, craftsman, ruler, or fighter. I suppose there were always

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? OK. So, in my opinion, I think we need to acknowledge two fundamental things:1. In this little corner of the Internet, our population suffers from lack of numbers with respect to people sharing similar interests. In other words, you may have a small

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? @28 tha's a rather defeatist attitude to have. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=347242#p347242 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? @28, the thing is, we can't force the sited to comply with our demands. Suing them will only destroy our reputation -- the NFB has already done an excellent job of that, thank you very much, with there "let's-go-around-and-demand-that-companies

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? I actually object to the blindy interface thing.Point is more than ever we need our own interface or at least a way to navigate the interface of anything such that the sighted won't notice.They have their interface, we have our interface, maybe its

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? @iron: I don't need to write a tutorial on setting up Python with Pyglet/Pygame. There are already tutorials that do that. And, Hint hint, Death Match: Project Alpha and Death Match: A New Beginning were *not* written in BGT. Those two are hardly played

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? No, @24 I'm saying it'd be one of many and it'd be entirely up to the convention organizers who if any they invite. Same for games as a whole, the big publishers run the show  and in the last year, indie games have gone AAA (We Happy Few

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? @21 damn bruh, you dark. I thought I was the dark one around here, but even I have more mope than to realize things in audiogames are changing. In a century, you think we'll be playing audiogames like oh insert buggy BGT thing here? Who even knows, a lot

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? @JaceKSo, what you are saying is, that an audiogame could fail, so better not try it in the first place?I don't think that is the right way. Maybe an Audiogame would be only one of many. But at least it would be present there. And, at least on the E3

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? @22: But being more visible is a double edged sword though Nocturnus, gaming conventions are already filled with games and devs and such trying to get attention, blind games would be just another game at a PAX or an E3 or an EGX or whatever other

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? I pretty much agree with Nocturnus on that matter. If we ever want to be noticed by all the sighted players out there, and, maybe more important, by the game developers, we need to make ourselves more visible at game conventions. I think, as an audiogame

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? Well its a question on what we can afford.A gaming grade pc with loads of graphics is nice and bulky its not going to improve playing though.Till we can take advantage of everything who knows.Now we have come a long way, basic multiplayer support, 3d

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? @13 I used to love playing perfect Dark. I'd start the villa and just snipe at them and then restart it after I beat the game. I'd drive the hovercraft around the institute helipad and try to get it out into the main areas, but it would never go. I used

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? I'm with Cae here. Programing has nothing to do with it. For the most part, the community has no comparisons. Story, gameplay, replayability, all of that comes from the ideas you have. Yeah, actually putting the ideas into effect is one thing, but if you

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? I'm with Cae here. Programing has nothing to do with it. For the most part, the community has no comparisons. Story, gameplay, replayability, all of that comes from the ideas you have. Yeah, actually putting the ideas into effect is one thing, but if you

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? No, no, CAE it's both. the tools and the user so to speak. It's a bit of everything, but it comes down to audiogames being 3 or 4 decades behind even an NES or ZX Spectrum or 2600 game, which had a lot less power than a PC.What does AHC do differently

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? cae_jones wrote:It's 2018, FCOL. 20 years ago, I was still playing Sega Genesis (I asked for an N64 at one point but got a Sega Nomad instead). I still come back to some of those games, in spite of how ridiculously more difficult they are to follow now

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? W I think I got it after the first BGT.  I won't use bubble gum tape anymore, I promise.  :d URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=347057#p347057 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? See, this is why I want people to stop developing games in BGT. BGT is a limiter. BGT limits us to what games we are able to produce. If we stick to BGT, and don't even try other possibilities, how will we ever advance? The sited community is more than

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? AHC was made by a team with professional skills over the course of around 5 years. Most Audio games are 1 or 2 people. They raised a budget, even if a small one. Like, this thread seems to keep coming back to "Audio Game developers need to st

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? The way I see it, we have two different types of gamers within this community this discussion needs to take into consideration, those who have played mainstream games and those who haven't.  Before discovering the concept of audiogaming, I was a huge fan

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? "Americans have shown  they prefer..." You're still myopically focusing on one market, the analogy stands. I'm certain a quick google search would provide a list of best foreign titles that are anything but westernized, half the Criterion

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? That's a flawed analogy @10 thoughh. Actually yes American audiences have shown they prefer films to be made less foreign and some of the best recieved films have been Westernized versions of Asian films, for instance Amerianized versions of Chinese

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? I'm not sure I understand the issue. Not outside of wanting to see games made by predominately blind development studios break into the mainstream anyways.Folks in wheel chairs have never asked that ramps be made more "stair like." Appealin

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? I mean, when you compare it to what we have, I mean yeah there are some good audio games out there, but a lot of what is made now are these small projects made in BGT that have ore bugs than you can shake a stick at, and the only people who

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? And to those that wrote it. What do you mean with reinventing audiogames? Can you be more specific? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=347021#p347021 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? Hello folks! James, I don't see personally, how this could make you unpopular. Everything you considered here is a valid and all developers should weigh it before launching a brand new game.As for A Hero's Call itself. I agree, it is not a new concept

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? @3: So basically doing the normal Kickstarter/crowdfunding routine of updates but actually delivering a product worth backing by blind people then. I've started playing AHC while posting this, I'm getting a good feel from it, BUT I do think it'll

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? Well put together topic and post, sir.  I sincerely hope this generates a lively discussion and doesn't simply end up swept under the rug. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=347011#p347011

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? I wouldn't call AHC early access as it stands right now. Just because it doesn't have graphics, OK, sure, no sighted person is going to play it right now, but would we expect them to? no. Also, I kind of agree, I don't think it will do good on steam

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Re: Is it time for a new paint job? Hi,I think the other thing and the point that the original poster seems to be making, is that A Hero's Call really got a massive following, and why more games don't do that.Well:The team for A Hero's Call gave us textual updates once announced, and kept

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? IMOand these are my thoughts:1. AHC is an audiogame at the end of the day. It's an audiogame trying to appeal to both blind and sighted gamers. Now I don't have the game (YET) but I did read the actualgraphics.part is coming in an update. I

Re: Is it time for a new paint job?

Re: Is it time for a new paint job? What AHC had going for it that most audiogames lack? Pros with stable pro-lives, pro-level experience, a team with specific tasks, lots of meticulous planning and care (it was better than anything I've ever done in 2014, and that was before the pro-class

Is it time for a new paint job?

Is it time for a new paint job? So I'm sure that after this post I'll be vastly unpopular, but I feel it's worth discussing.We are in the year 2018, and have just had a pretty successful release in the form of A Hero's Call. While I will be the first to tell you that I understand things