Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order i am sad to say, microsoft can do all these things. they can, make a universal installer, they can, do initial checks, they can let the hi definition audio drivers talk to the audio hardware, and let u have audio during the first prompts, they really can, but here's 1 reason why they aint, its this.money. they not making any money off it, thus had no insentive, to do this.remember the text book 101. rule of any company.they, are here, to make, a proffit.sure, they can support the most common audio types. if they really had wanted to, by including a minimal subset of drivers in there minny P E in vironment as installer boots up.but they won't.until some one, some ware convinces that greedy person at the top. that there's profit, in them for it to do so.and then, they'll hoot and make it the next best reason to upgrade to windows.can't live with them, but also c an't live with out them.that is the microsoft of today. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=271761#p271761 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Agreed with you about the Narrator improvements, but I still say that, even if common audio drivers were included, Microsoft would screw it up somehow. It wouldn't work as accurately as it should. this is why I use a talking PE for my installation and maintenence needs if a PC won't boot. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=271739#p271739 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order THat's not necessarily true. Why can't they put drivers for the most common PC hardware like Realtech into the PE environment? Why can't they just support the standard USB audio driver? I know this works because I've installed Windows into BootCamp. When I have my USB soundcard/microphone connected, I get audio when setting up Windows and installing the drivers to talk to the Apple hardware. Why can't I connect my H1 to my Mac, reboot into the installer and have speech coming through my H1 for the first part of the install? Why should I have to get my dad to sit down for a minute and a half just to read a few prompts off the screen? It's ridiculous! It's 2016, not 1970. I don't know anymore. Maybe I should just stop worrying about Windows. Still, I'm baffled that the largest provider of computer software can't do something as basic as this. I give up trying to tell them it needs to be done, because I'm apparently not being tak en seriously or just ignored. As for the Narrator improvements, I'm disgusted! Why did it take 4 years to include these? They should have been present in the initial versions of Windows 10. Meh, it's not worth it ranting on here anymore. Until I see a talking install out of Microsoft, I'm not taking anything seriously. Hell, linux even has a talking installer. What gives? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=271738#p271738 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order I wouldn't trust Narrator to get me through a talking install anyway. That's what the Windows PE is for, in my opinion.I get that some computers can be finicky, and that it's not always an easy thing to get yourself booted into a PE environment. But, as Figment pointed out, the scope of audio drivers that are included in most PC's would make this a difficult thing to code accurately. And, knowing Microsoft, it would be something half-assed anyway, kind of like the audio in safe mode registry hack. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=271737#p271737 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Probably not, to create a talking installer Microsoft would have to include a whole suite of audio drivers in the bootable installer. That's a problem when you have no way of knowing what audio hardware is going to be available.That's the advantage Apple has that makes their talking installer possible. Because they are the sole source for Macintosh hardware, they know what audio hardware will be present, so they only need their own audio drivers.If Macs were like PCs, I very much doubt Apple would have a talking installer either.TurtlePower17 wrote:This is beyond ridiculous. I'm a Windows 10 user myself, but it disgusts me that Microsoft is disguising this upgrade offer as something noble and helpful, all for the benefit of the disabled. of course, it's just a sneaky way of getting more customers to upgrade. Frankly, it's bullshit.It doesn't look any worse th an Microsoft's previous attempts to convince people to upgrade to Windows 10. The main difference is that you now have to go to them instead of having it delivered to your system task bar. It's certainly not anything to get your tail tied up in knots over. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=271734#p271734 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Probably not, to create a talking installer Microsoft would have to include a whole suite of audio drivers in the bootable installer. That's a problem when you have no way of knowing what audio hardware is going to be available.That's the advantage Apple has that makes their talking installer possible. Because they are the sole source for Macintosh hardware, they know what audio hardware will be present, so they only need their own audio drivers.If Macs were like PCs, I very much doubt Apple would have a talking installer either. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=271734#p271734 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Does this new update to Windows 10 have a talking installer using Narrator? If not, I won't even bother wasting the time downloading the image to my Mac. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=271726#p271726 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order So, for those of you who are wondering about the free upgrade offer for those using assistive technologies...http://www.howtogeek.com/265409/you-can … lity-site/This is beyond ridiculous. I'm a Windows 10 user myself, but it disgusts me that Microsoft is disguising this upgrade offer as something noble and helpful, all for the benefit of the disabled. of course, it's just a sneaky way of getting more customers to upgrade. Frankly, it's bullshit.narrator still has a long, long way to go before it can compare to NVDA, JAWS, or any of the other big players in the screen reader market, even in the anniversary update. it's making me wonder why the hell they bothered making improvements at all. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=271723#p271723 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order My belief is that, except for companies that manufacture assistive technology, the only reason any company pays any attention at all to accessibility is to create a pointtheir marketing department can use to sell more products, and to avoid being ssued for discrimination. Some companies pay more attention than others, but their reason for doing so are the same. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=271351#p271351 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order @Cris Yes, there are times where I wonder how committed Microsoft really is to accessibility. In fact, from a few demos of the fast ring insider builds, it seems that there may be some accessibility regressions rather than fixes. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=271251#p271251 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Try using your find next plain text command in your screen reader. That should land you on the start of the text. Doesn't Edge have a reader mode? Then again, Edge is really bad access wise from what I've heard. Will this be addressed in this upcoming update tomorrow? If so, why did it take this long to make the program accessible? Sometimes I just don't know about Microsoft's commitment to accessibility. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=271124#p271124 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order The one big problem there is that OS X only runs on a Mac. That doesn't help us PC users. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=271113#p271113 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order The article is on that page. I just used Safari reader to strip all that crap away. We'll see just how this extended offer will work tomorrow. I personally don't care about Windows. I will spend the $120 to obtain a legal copy if, and only if Microsoft gets their act together and creates a talking installer with Narrator. Until then, OS X works just fine for me. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=271098#p271098 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order The original offer to get Windows 10 for free remains in effect You can still upgrade for free until the end of tomorrow. I've heard about the offer being extended for users of assistive technology, but so far haven't heard how that will work or for how long the offer will be extended.For people like me, who would have to buy a Windows 10 capable computer first, we will likely get our copy of Windows 10 with the new computer. The only way the extended offer to get Windows 10 for free will be of any use is if I buy a used computer with Windows 7 or 8.1 on it, which isn't very likely, if I buy a computer to run Windows 10, I'll buy new.@WandererYour post and link were useless, all I got was a page with a bunch of ads, a bunch of social media links, and a bunch of comments about an article but no article. Epic fail! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=271085#p271085 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order http://www.ghacks.net/2016/07/28/micros … ws-10-pro/Well that's it, I'm off to Linux, bugs, heat issues and all. Seriously from the bottom of my heart, fuck you Microsoft. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=271079#p271079 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order I had a chance and I didn't take it. I'm happier as the boat is currently. if I ever need to, well, I guess I'll save up and buy it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=271011#p271011 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order @Figment: in three or four years, tops; less if you're using Skylake. That's how long Windows desktops on 7 have to live. It's one of my primary reasons for using 8.1, which at least can be tamed down; that'll get me to 2023. Presumably business customers can pay their way out of telemetry on Win10, but I see a lot of practices deeply concerned because they don't use "Enterprise" licenses and need a sustainable desktop Windows release, for which 8 is an unsuitable choice. I hope MS realises this before they turn everybody away for good.There are realistically no alternatives to Visual Studio nowadays if you want to target Windows properly. I don't see any real difference here, except that Microsoft charges you a bloody fortune for their tools for Win32 development on an ongoing basis but leaves you free to do as you please with your work, while Apple makes the tools available for free and charges you for a low-cost subscription for th e maintenance of their infrastructure, taking money off the top of your iOS apps. Mac is open, albeit that you bypass a security warning if you pays your money to Apple for the "Privilege" of being recognised as a developer, which is part of the subscription you pay to access the beta software (which you can get separately, for free) and the SDKs necessary to target it. The practical consequence is thus that any Apple developer will be subscribed, and quite a few testers too. Recently Apple loosened their grip by allowing you to run code on your own devices for free (they were strangling new talent in countries where the $99 yearly was still too onerous), but otherwise you go through the Store, which is how Apple takes money off the top. You decide which you find more favourable, but I think I'd rather pay for a product (at a reasonable price, naturally) or get the tools for free to develop open code, and without any obligation to anybody for anything on any time basi s, just like it was in the good old days of Borland et al. I doubt I'll ever want to develop for iOS, and I'll only ever develop portable software for OS X that isn't graphical and therefore won't be a problem for users to run or build with the free tools Apple provides. If MS removes the telemetry they'll be back in the good books, but I still think they charge far too much for what they offer, which seems intentionally designed to push you to their other platforms; UWP and you can have crippled, but useful, tools for free, but want to build native Win32 apps with proper tools and it's open up your wallet and prepare for ongoing hardship. Nobody wants to pass on the opportunity for lock-in, unfortunately. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264532#p264532 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order @Sebby, probably so, but that forced hardware upgrade isn't for another 3 to 4 years when support for Windows 7 ends.Apple is no better, instead of spying on you, which is easily avoided by not using Visual Studio, Apple actively restricts your choice to their development system for the iPhone by refusing to list apps in the app store that weren't developed with it, and unlike Visual Studio, there is no way around that, because no matter what you use, you still have the 800 pound bully in your way. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264489#p264489 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order It is discovered that Visual Studio 2015's C++ compiler inserts code to use Microsoft's telemetry services into any binary, whether test or release, that it compiles. The data may be sent to Microsoft, although it will be of limited use without the corresponding symbols. MS says that it will remove the functionality, but is, of course, reluctant to say when, exactly.Sigh. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264467#p264467 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order It is discovered that Visual Studio 2015's C++ compiler inserts code to use Microsoft's telemetry services into any binary, whether test or release, that it compiles. The data may be sent to Microsoft, although it will be of limited use without the corresponding symbols. MS says that it will remove the functionality, but is of course reluctant to say when, exactly.Sigh. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264467#p264467 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order @Figment: in that respect, exactly like Apple. Microsoft isn't shipping new hardware fast enough, so they're pushing Windows onto older hardware. They are also making arrangements to obsolete older OSs on newer hardware, so sooner or later you'll have to upgrade.Exactly like Apple ... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264409#p264409 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order I believe the attempts to force Windows 10 on users will cease after the free upgrade offer is over.But with Microsoft planning to extend the free upgrade offer for people using assistive technology, I wonder if they'll start trying to detect the technology so they can continue pushing Windows 10 for those people.I'm just happy there are tools available to allow us to opt out, even if Microsoft doesn't want to give us that option. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264358#p264358 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Hopefully by then as well Microsoft might have made their snooping a bit less, or an optional improvement component, with the amount of backlash they are getting, something's gotta give at some point. Not to mention this utterly crazy forced updates thing. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264301#p264301 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Just like Apple, right, Sebby?I was willing to upgrade to Windows 10 as long as I thought my computer could run it. But as soon as it became clear that I'd have to spend money on a newer computer to run it, I decided that I didn't want it. My feeling was that there is nothing in Windows 10 that is worth spending money just to be able to run it.Besides, support for Windows 7 will continue for another 3 to 4 years, so I can wait until then. And then the new computer will already have Windows 10 on it, no need to buy it since I'll have missed the free upgrade. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264291#p264291 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order I haven't, am not going to, and will not until I have an ironclad reason to do so, but the new name, new interface and new shiny logos are not for me. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264271#p264271 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order To answer the first part of your question, because I think that's more objectively answered, at this stage MS are doing it for market share. They need people on Win10 because that's how MS plans to expose people (I don't know about force, yet) to the Microsoft Windows Store and all of the "Modern" (UWP) apps, which they will then take some margin on. In other words, MS wants to be like Apple. The advertising, data collection and service-oriented approach to the operating system itself, in the style of Office apps, is the icing on the top. And, when MS starts charging users as well, that is, when they begin charging people to be exploited through ads, telemetry, and upsale of Windows Store apps, well, MS will have achieved new heights of capitalist perfection.I hope I'm wrong about at least some of this; for instance, I hope we will be able to pay for a version of Windows 10 that doesn't spy on you or sell ads.But I wouldn't bet on that ... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264264#p264264 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order To answer the first part of your question, because I think that's more objectively answered, at this stage MS are doing it for market share. They need people on Win10 because that's how MS plans to expose people (I don't know about force, yet) to the Microsoft Windows Store and all of the "Modern" (UWP) apps, which they will then take some margin on. In other words, MS wants to be like Apple. The advertising, data collection and service-oriented approach to the operating system itself, in the style of Office apps, is the icing on the top. And, when MS starts charging users as well, that is, when they begin charging people to be exploited through ads, telemetry, and upsale of Windows Store apps, well, MS will have achieved new heights of capitalist perfect.I hope I'm wrong about at least some of this; for instance, I hope we will be able to pay for a version of Windows 10 that doesn't spy on you or sell ads.But I wouldn't bet on that ... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264264#p264264 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order To answer the first part of your question, because I think that's more objectively answered, at this MS are doing it for market share. They need people on Win10 because that's how MS plans to expose people (I don't know about force, yet) to the Microsoft Windows Store and all of the "Modern" (UWP) apps, which they will then take some margin on. In other words, MS wants to be like Apple. The advertising, data collection and service-oriented approach to the operating system itself, in the style of Office apps, is the icing on the top. And, when MS starts charging users as well, that is, when they begin charging people to be exploited through ads, telemetry, and upsale of Windows Store apps, well, MS will have achieved new heights of capitalist perfect. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264264#p264264 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order ok, so here's something I don't understand.To my knowledge, windows 10 is still free until like July. Microsoft is getting absolutely no personal advantage in making customers update right now, because they won't have to pay anything. SO why are they doing it? This makes no sense. I'm not saying they aren't doing it because clearly they are, but shouldn't they wait until July? Also, I want to ask a question:How many of you guys have actually upgraded to windows 10. Security and privacy aside, is it worth it? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264260#p264260 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Good. Microsoft are supposed to be a business, not a world ruler who thinks they can get away with anything and own the world's computers. I think they need to get of their high horse and get consequences for what they've tried to do and in a big way are still trying to do, this force update stuff is really ridiculous. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=263839#p263839 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order FYI, there is now a petition for the EFF to investigate MS for malicious practices concerning Win10. Most of the ire is reserved, somewhat predictably, for the upgrade foistware, but privacy is also mentioned. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=263763#p263763 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order FYI, there is now a petition for the EFF to investigate MS for malicious practices aconcerning Win10. Most of the ire is reserved, somewhat predictably, for the upgrade foistware, but privacy is also mentioned. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=263763#p263763 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order FYI, there is now a petition for the EFF to investigate MS for malicious practices around Win10. Most of the ire is reserved, somewhat predictably, for the upgrade foistware, but privacy is also mentioned. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=263763#p263763 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order I'll get around to configuring it eventually. Unfortunately my Macbook charger broke for no apparent reason and there is no Apple store nearby, so looks like I'm going to have to order one at some expense. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262855#p262855 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order You can't close the window anymore. You've got to schedule for five days. And some people are seeing GWX marked as an "Important" update.Basically, Never10 is now your only realistic option. Microsoft just don't give a flying wotsit, and will do whatever it takes for market share.I'm going to wait for WWDC, and depending on what happens, I'll make my plans. Win8.1 plus Classic Shell does work for me, so push comes to shove, I'm supported until 2023 on this hardware with an OS I know runs well with the right tweaks. Just got to ride out this bollocks from M$.As for web surfing in Safari, yes it's different. I have some VO preferences if you'd like to see how I do it, but to answer the question I've seen in this thread, I use high verbosity and normal speech rate on the web, but medium everywhere else. The reason is that high verbosity includes visited status on links. Moreover, and far more important, you
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order
Re: The Windows 10 New World Order That was the problem I was referring to, I've never had issues with the settings list though. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262595#p262595 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order @WandererI just tried it today and the applications list is now visible, maybe I didn't know how to access it earlier. I noticed that you often had to activate an option to find out whether it was set or not.In the settings section there are either toggle buttons or check boxes that don't tell you their state, even if you activate them as a work around like the options in the clean up lists.I'm going to contact them and try to encourage them to make CCleaner more accessible.I'd like to use it, but considering what it does, not if I can't be certain of what it is or is not going to do.Before I lost my vision, I also used Spybot Search & Destroy. In the next week or so, I'm going to see how accessible it is, it was a great defense against all sorts of malware, not just spyware as its name implies.I also found an alternative to Never10 called Get Windows 10 Control Pannel, it seems more accessible than Never1 0. In Never10, I couldn't get to the delete gwx files or the exit buttons. It also appears that Never10 misses some other setting that allow the Get Windows 10 app to be downloaded, even if its disabled. It also can be set up to monitor the Get Windows 10 settings and will alert you if any are changed, making you vulnerable to a Windows 10 upgrade attempt.If you are interested:http://ultimateoutsider.comand go to the software page. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262592#p262592 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order @Figment, hmm never had that problem, I can see both tabs fine. Sometimes I'm not told by NVDA whether an item is on or off, but that can be fixed by simply toggling it after which its state is exposed. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262560#p262560 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Well, I've disabled the windows 10 stuff, because if Microsoft are still doing the thing where you close the get windows 10 window and it updates, well, I'm done. Please keep us posted on the situation though. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262556#p262556 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order @WandererHere's an example:In the clean up section of CCleaner, there is a long list of things to clean that you can check to have cleaned or uncheck to have left alone. There are two tabs, the first, you could call system as those cleanup tasks were pretty much for the system itself, the second, was for cleanup tasks targeted at specific applications you hav installed, such as, Office, Firefox, Media Player, etc.The last time I tried CCleaner, the second tab of application specific cleanup tasks was inaccessible. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262546#p262546 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order @aaron, thanks for the link. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262542#p262542 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order [[wow]]. I haven't had anywhere near the amount of issues you're describing. I don't generally need to install a lot of new apps regularly so that might be part of it. NVDA does everything I need it to, and it loads very quickly. I've never needed to use a registry cleaner (again, I don't do a lot of installing/uninstalling) so CCleaner works fine. But all that aside my condolences, that sounds like a nightmare. Just remember, no corporation truly respects you; it's just about making as much of a profit as quickly and efficiently as possible. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262539#p262539 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Maintenance for me meant everything from virus and malware scanning to registry cleaning and regular disc checkups, meticulous review of the event log, strategic oversight of the task manager for unwanted and undesirable services and processes that might have tried to sneak their way into my machine without my knowledge, extensive registry backups in case of a corrupted system which made for something better than the craptastic thing MS calls windows restore, and of course, always, always temp and prefetch data cleanups. Some of this became easier with tools like CCleaner, but even that thing had a great chance, just as many automated tools do, of messing up. One day I got myself into a mess with it as it deleted associations with known filetype extensions from my PC; that was a nightmare and a half.Beyond that, configure my messaging client, configure my email client, configure my media player, configure my internet settings regardless of what program I'm u sing, and if my updates are set to automatic which is recommended, maybe my system restarts while I'm doing something else, where as if I'm not, then I have to check up on it or wait on its cute little notifications for me. With windows xp, that usually wasn't too big of an issue, but once 7 rolled around I could never be sure if or when I would get the notifications to update my pc.And then? Screen readers. JAWS for this webpage, NVDA for that one. Sometimes it meant unloading one and waiting for the other one to load, its load time slowed by the fact that I had a webpage open. Once again, with XP, not much of an issue, but once Vista and, more particularly 7 became commonplace it all changed. The final nail in the coffin was the realization that even a sighted person could be fooled by MS, as was the case with my mother-in-law. One day, she was using windows 7; the next she woke up with no idea how to use her computer whatsoever, and all because she closed a window she had no idea would trigger an action upon closing. Call it whatever you like; I call it disrespect. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262536#p262536 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order @Figment, I'm honestly not sure what inaccessible parts you're referring to, I've never had a problem myself. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262510#p262510 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order At figment, i think it's a double-edged sword. On the one hand, i see exactly where you are comeing from. Important tasks like backups, and god for bid, you get a corrupted update or similar things happen, it can be a real pain. I'm not even close to suggesting that apple doesn't have it's issues and bugs, but i have spent enough time doing cleanup and other such tasks from the tourmanal where it's nice to have things done for you sometimes. But i do think it's important to know how to take care of your own system, when like i said some automated task could go wrong. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262492#p262492 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order At figment, i think it's a double-edged sword. On the one hand, i see exactly where you are comeing from. Important tasks like backups, and god for bid, you get a corrupted update or similar things happen, it can be a real pain. I'm not even close to suggesting that apple doesn't have it's issues and bugs, but i have spent enough time doing cleanup and other such tasks from the tourmanal where it's nice to have things done for you sometimes. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262492#p262492 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Hi there,Get this small program called Never 10, when you run it, there's a disable button. Also, if you use NVDA flat review there are other buttons as well like delete windows 10 files. Don't let the small size fool you, this little program is really useful.Website is here:https://www.grc.com/never10.htm URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262462#p262462 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Ok, since I'm now currently running windows 8.1, I have a question: How to disable "get windows 10 notification"? This is very annoying. I want to get rid of it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262461#p262461 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order @WandererHow do you deal with CCleaner's inaccessible parts? The last time I tried it, about 6 to 8 months ago, I found many parts of the user interface inaccessible. I knew those parts were there because CCleaner was one of those indispensable programs I always had installed before I lost my vision.@ArqmeisterSomeday you may regret letting the OS do all your maintenance for you. See the thread asking Apple for their music back. In it you'll find several people complaining about iTunes deleting music tracks that weren't purchased through it. If you insist on letting the OS do all your maintenance for you, keep good backups!Honestly, if you make it a habit, and stay current with it, system maintenance isn't that hard, nor does it take very much time.I set aside Saturday mornings for systemmaintenance. I first download all my email from GMail using GMail backup, then I delete temporary files, I used to do this with CCleaner, but now I do it manually because parts of CCleaner are inaccessible. I then use Backup and Restore to do a file by file and an image backup to one of two external USB Seagate 1 TB FreeAgent Go hard drives. One is for odd months, the other is for even months. Last I run Windows update. Total time spent, about half an hour plus the time it takes for the backup to finish, but I don't count that time because I am doing other things. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262451#p262451 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order At ns, i guess it depends on how picky you are with updates and cleaning. I use c cleaner personally, just because i like to get rid of temp files and such. But as far as updates go, i really never had a problem URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262446#p262446 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order I've actually thought a lot about it, though for now the windows xp VM works just fine, which probably has much to do with the specs on this machine. I'm in a blissful paradise of beauty so amazing I can, gasp of skepticism, almost see it! :d URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262430#p262430 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Makes sense, and it's good to have priorities. That being said I think you'll have a pretty nice experience if you ever consider installing Windows on your Mac, I know I did. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262409#p262409 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order @Figment,Post 120 is well phrased and carefully laid out; thumbs up.@Wanderer,Time is everything nowadays for me; I recently became a dad. I lost a wonderful masterpiece of a windows 7 machine that was loyal to me for the better part of 5 years and haven't been able to find one to match it. That being the case, and for practicallity's sake, and because I no longer really feel respected by MS, I've switched. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262403#p262403 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order hi,I disagree with you on updating and cleaning arqmister. Windows 8 and above automaticly do most cleaning and updating tasks when the pc is idle. I practicly never perform any updates except those that I set to manual. Same goes for maintenence. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262401#p262401 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Agree with wanderer. And this is comeing from a guy who is fine running mac, linux and windows. Windows is great for anything, but you have to be willing to take care of your own computer cleaning and updating. On mac, everything is more or less done for you, but gaming is not great for the platform. Linux is great for some things, it's better for people who like to know the ins and outs of the OS. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262397#p262397 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Let's face it, both Microsoft and Apple have their share of problems, and at the end of the day, neither one is any better than the other, it's just a personal choice.Let's just all agree to disagree and bury the argument. Each side is always going to make their choice's problems look smaller than they are, wile at the same time, make the other side's problems look bigger than they are.If I was just starting out using computers, maybe I'd choose a Mac, but I've been following the microcomputer industry since 1974 and working in it since 1980. In 1986 I sold off all my Apple 2 hardware and software and got an IBM PC compatible. Now I have all this time and effort invested in the IBM PC compatible side of the industry and don't want to abandon it by switching to a Mac, where I'd almost have to start over. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262390#p262390 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order @wanderer,If your issue is webpages I don't have much to offer except my apologies. Honestly, the list of sites I visit nowadays is not a huge one, thus the reason I can probably get around this issue so effectively. Usually I navigate by headings on more flashy sites like youtube and the like, but there's not much more I can suggest. I try never to use quicknav myself, so I can't say I've experienced the jumping around nonsense much. It probably goes without saying and you're probably tired of hearing it, but the best thing you can do is ditch the windows mentality and understand the differences between the operating systems and what makes them so. OSX? It isn't for everyone, just as windows is not for everyone. As I've previously stated, I had more time and patience a couple of years ago to mess around with windows and its incessant, demanding environment. Updates, cleaners, tweekers, mainte nance tools and the myriad of applications for everything from media consumption to messaging. I configured and reconfigured, tried and tested and tampered with this and that thing to make sure everything was to my liking. Today, I'm not relearning, as it were. Today, I'm a beginner all over again, just like I was when I first embarked upon my windows experience back in 98. The reason? With the exception being Alter Aeon which I've played for nearly six years now, I can't stand windows anymore, really. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262385#p262385 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order It helps, but I'd already made all those changes on my own haha. If I try to use my up and down cursor keys to navigate in a web page Voiceover seems to get stuck. If I turn the verbosity down to "low" I don't hear important info, but on medium it's too chatty. So pretty much the same as before. Gah. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262292#p262292 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Alright folks, to add to my previous post and probably destroy my credibility as well, I've decided to go all-in and give OS X another try as I have nothing too important to do. I'll hopefully be sticking with it for a while if things don't go too badly. I'm using Safari to post this but will probably check out Chrome with Chromevox in the near future. Wish me luck everybody. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262218#p262218 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order @Nocturnus, do you have any tips as a recent switcher from Windows for making Voiceover more responsive and/or efficient? Sorry if I'm being vague, but I'm probably going to end up switching to OS X eventually (I don't currently have classes so if I'm smart I'll do it soon). My main frustrations come from the fact that focus seems to be jumping all over the place even if I'm just using the VO cursor, especially when quicknav is on. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262208#p262208 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order This topic has become an unnecessary and rather childish discussion, which I'm sure Sebby did not intend it to be. For my part, I'll simply say that it's thanks to this topic I finally got down and dirty with a mac and am glad I did. Nostalgia still presses in on me and I long for what I am used to, but my loyal PC of four years finally crapped out, my new one was never as good, and I'm not going to spend a ton of time and possibly money running around to find a windows PC that suits me when I clearly know the fight is futile.Can Apple and its software and hdardware do everything I need? Certainly not, but they've come closer than MS has. Safari is sometimes a nightmare, iTunes is not winamp or foobar, and goodness knows I miss eloquence's snappy responsive speeds. These little annoyances, however, are no longer able to keep me away from my mac, my iPhone and my watch, all of which are united in providing me everyth ing no matter where I am. Where am I faster? Windows. Where am I more comfortable? Windows. Where can I get more done quickly owing to these facts? Windows. Which one actually does more for me? OSX. I can text my wife when I'm not with her, can make phonecalls directly from it thanks to it working seamlessly with my iPhone, can listen to music either through the preview app if I just want one song or as an entire playlist through iTunes if I really want to do so, and finally, I'm not sitting around worrying if the next time I launch my PC my OS version is going to change, anymore than I worry about it on my iPhone. It's not perfect, but nothing ever is in this world. right now, as far as I'm concerned, gaming is best done with MS products, everything else with Apple. Once upon a time, that wasn't true for me, but that time is gone, things have changed, and I've had to change with th em. What strikes me as odd is that those of us who have embraced Apple's way of doing things are under attack for daring to try something new when what we previously had just didn't work out, and continue to point out why we don't wish to return. I won't go any further than that; every side has its fanboys; I'm not interested in either camp from that angle. I'll do what I do when I do it and with what I have; I wish others would do the same. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261995#p261995 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order @Enes, Are you serious? iPhone is so good that it doesn't recognise your gestures on the screen? What kind of iPhone is that? 4?I have this iPhone 6 and it works amazingly everywhere I use it. Reading PDF documents for example, is something I really enjoy on iPhone because many of the long PDF documents will crash on windows, whereas this doesn't ever happen on iPhone. Coming back to gestures, iPhone is one of the most responsible touchscreen devices, especially for visually impaired users since most of the time, the sighted people do not have to perform gestures using 2, 3, or 4 fingers and in different motions. That phenomenon of not recognising gestures on the screen is much common on android with talkback. When I needed to open a menu, I was forced to perform a gesture, sometimes 2, and other times three to accomplish what I needed. at this current version of iOS, (9.3.2), the only bug with voiceover is the audio ducking in the music app and nothing else. Talking about windows 10, not all bugs have been fixed. The way windows 10 handles processes is worse than windows 8.1. It seems like that an application which takes a lot of processor calls out the other windows processes to wake up, and then a very immense mess is created there leading your system to crash unless you have the latest generation of processor installed on your computer. What's more, before going to the processor and RAM management, the first issues are iniciated by the time you finish the process of upgrading your previous version of windows to windows 10. The reason is because the interface, and everything on your system is half windows 7 or 8.1 and win 10, causing the system to be so bloody slow.I'm not personally a fan of any of these companies, neither do I care if Google wins versus Apple, or apple wins against microsoft in court for copying or such stuff. Even if I care, do I benefit anything from them? Absolutely not!What I care the most , is that this device I'm using, being it android, iOS, or microsoft, needs to be solid, to meet my needs in daily basis in the way that I use it, to be accessible enough to perform what the device offers, and to not keep freezing and crashing minute after minute. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261994#p261994 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order wanderer wrote:I'm just going to point out that consistently calling a company by a childish name with no irony over and over again does not make you come across as someone to be taken seriously.Everybody else does it, for example, M$ plus all the other names I've seen used for Microsoft in this thread alone, or Greedom Science Fiction, and nobody complains about that. Oh yeah, I forgot, there is a double standard here where it's OK to use derogatory name for Microsoft and Freedom Scientific, but it's not Ok to do it to Apple.What's good for the goose is good for the gander.devinprater wrote:Um… All known bugs? Oh, sorry. I guess the inaccessibility of Microsoft Edge is a feature? I suppose the relative inaccessibility of metro apps is a feature? I guess the inability to install Windows (not setting up) is a feature? [[wow]]. I must say, some people are very loyal to their little brands. Hold fast, then, to the grand of sand to which you cling, fore it is all you know. But hope, yes, hope, that a wave doesn’t cary it away.Yup, you bet, you guys hang on to Crapple just as hard as we hang on to Microsoft despite all the accessibility problems with OS X, iOS, and V O that some how never seem to get fixed despite the fact that they've been around for over a year or more.wanderer wrote:The point being that every company has its faults. If people want to bitch about them as I'm sure we all do now and then, what's the harm?No harm at all. It's when somebody gbitches about one side, while at the same time acting like their side is blameless in all things, that there's a problem. Evidence, just look at any of Sebby or devinprater's messages.devinprater wrote:Just because you don't use Metro apps and all doesn't mean it's not there. It most definitely is there, and the bugs you mention are very minor. You can still use your iPhone when this bug happens, or you can use Facetime, Messenger calling, any number of workarounds. But the inaccessibility of Metro apps is inexcusable, and the Microsoft Edge inaccessibility is due to them not starting off in an accessible manner. But please, if you hate your iPhone so much, please get an Android. Maybe you'll be happy with its cheap "opennes." As for me, I'll stay with Apple, who continues to enovate and still accessible at the same time, a feit only seconded, at a long distance, by Google.A perfect example of devinprater's remark about people hanging on to their little brand, totally blind to that brand's long standing problems. Notice how he makes mountains out of Microsoft's mole hills, but tries to make mole hills out of Crapple's mountains? Just as Crapple's flaws have work arounds, well so does Microsoft's!So tell me again what your point was? I don't see any real difference between the two. As bartenders are wont to say, "What's your poison?"The sad truth is, if Crapple hadn't released the iPod when it did, they would be long out of business by now. Remember how Crapple had to go to Microsoft for a loan just to have enough cash to avoid closing for good? The only thing that keeps Crapple afloat is the success of their iOS devices. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261938#p261938 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order I don't use microsoft edge and metro apps. Additionally, windows can be reinstalled accessibly through privacy and recovery. Also, the crapple iphone's IOS software is so awsome that it randomly doesn't take some touchscreen gestures and randomly switches between LTE and 3g networks while my friends using the same carrier with android phones stay on LTE. Also crapples determination to not fix bugs like the voiceover sounds bug that occurs after hanging up calls. Oh, did I mention the fact that you pay a price double the value of the device when buying it? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261893#p261893 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order The point being that every company has its faults. If people want to bitch about them as I'm sure we all do now and then, what's the harm? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261885#p261885 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order hi,Believe me, apple has done worse. Purchasing an iphone was one of the worst choices I made. Now I have to deal with apple's retarded accessibility bugs that keep increasing with each update. For instance, the speech synthesizer's quality changing sometimes after hanging up a call. Even restarting the device does not resolve this. The only way to resolve this is to make a call. At least microsoft had the decency to fix all known bugs with windows 10. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261881#p261881 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order I'm just going to point out that consistently calling a company by a childish name with no irony over and over again does not make you come across as someone to be taken seriously. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261860#p261860 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Objective? Just reading any of your messages is proof enough of your bias. You gloss over Crapple's misdeeds as if they were nothing, but take Microsoft to task for even the smallest of perceived slights.I generally don't have any of Crapple's or Microsoft's misdeeds in mind because I'm not interested in complaining about them, I have better things to do with my time. But, since you asked:1. Crapple was found guilty of illegally price fixing ebooks sold through iTunes. They raised the price of eBooks to improve their profits. As if they weren't already swimming in money!2. How about Crapple deciding that every iTunes user wanted the new U2 album, so they put it in everyone's library, regardless of whether they wanted it or not.3. You can ignore the iOS point updates, but eventually your device will not allow access until you accept and install the update.Those last two sound very similar to your description of h ow Microsoft is trying to get you to upgrade to Windows 10. sounds to me like its Ok if Crapple shoves iOS update down our throats, but heaven forbid that Microsoft should try to do the same thing with Windows 10! Looks like a Double standard here.Upgrade to Windows 10? I'd love to. I just tried, three times, all three attempts failed. The first attempt was done as an upgrade with a cloned copy of my current Windows 7 installation, the second attempt was done as an upgrade with a freshly installed copy of Windows 7, and the last attempt was done as a clean install to an empty hard disk. All three attempts got as far as logging into my Windows Live account, after that all I got was a screen with the desktop wallpaper showing and nothing else. It wasn't locked up because narrator was still running and I could change it's settings.At this point I suspect that something in my laptop isn't compatible with Windows 10, so if I wat it, I'll have to buy a newer computer to run it and it isn't worth buying another computer just so I can run it. I'll wait until I need a newer computer to get it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261848#p261848 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Mmm, I wonder if we wouldn't be better off with Balmer back in the driver's seat. He wouldn't let this happen to Windows users, would he?SatNad seemed like the right choice, but I think he's pressing just a little bit too hard to switch the company into a services business. They've been steadily marching towards exclusively being enterprise software for a while now; maybe this is just the final culmination of that. I guess we can see how desperate MS are to make this upgrade push work from just how hard-line these tactics are.Oh yeah, and MS have apparently backtracked a tiny little bit: you now get a second chance to cancel the upgrade. Naturally, the prompt only appears 30 minutes before the upgrade begins, in the wee hours ... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261830#p261830 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order As long as there are indiscreet M$ apologists, I'll continue to write about Microsoft's continuing slide into mediocrity. And, being an indiscreet M$ apologist, you'll read it, making it all worthwhile. I have every interest in being objective about my OS choices, as it happens, and that includes Windows, which undoubtedly has something I want. So yes, I'm well within my rights to call out this totally unacceptable behaviour. It will help others using Windows to protect themselves against this clear violation, and if ever MS starts showing some respect to its users again, I might even switch back. Microsoft's greed is undoing them, in the eyes of many honest Windows-using folk, including myself. It's not right, and if you think it is, feel free to ignore this topic.I know all about Never10 (you'll notice I mentioned it, in fact) . Very nice tool indeed. Just now I'm simply avoiding the updates, but when that no longer becomes an option because of Microsoft's rollup antics, I'll employ this.Apple? I'd love to know what terrible things you think they're guilty of. No, they're not perfect. But at least I know how Apple makes its money, and while I'm not exactly happy about their recent moves to tie their operating systems even more exclusively to hardware sales by making Mac OS free, it's a whole lot more preferable than these clearly unethical moves by M$ towards their loyal and paying customers. If you don't think so, why don't you upgrade to Windows 10 now and adopt the glorious future, where you're the product and not the customer? I'll stay one release behind the current OS X release, and when Apple releases the new shiny next month, I'll take another stab at upgrading or switching. Either way, I'm on solid ground. There's n othing lost to having more choice, including the choice to stay exactly where I am. Maybe you should take another look. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261794#p261794 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order As long as there are indiscreet M$ apologists, I'll continue to write about Microsoft's continuing slide into mediocrity. And, being a indiscreet M$ apologist, you'll read it, making it all worthwhile. I have every interest in being objective about my OS choices, as it happens, and that includes Windows, which undoubtedly has something I want. So yes, I'm well within my rights to call out this totally unacceptable behaviour. It will help others using Windows to protect themselves against this clear violation, and if ever MS starts showing some respect to its users again, I might even switch back. Microsoft's greed is undoing them, in the eyes of many honest Windows-using folk, including myself. It's not right, and if you think it is, feel free to ignore this topic.I know all about Never10 (you'll notice I mentioned it, in fact). Very nice tool indeed. Just now I'm simply avoiding the updates, but when that no longer becomes an option because of Microsoft's rollup antics, I'll employ this.Apple? I'd love to know what terrible things you think they're guilty of. No, they're not perfect. But at least I know how Apple makes its money, and while I'm not exactly happy about their recent moves to tie their operating systems even more exclusively to hardware sales by making Mac OS free, it's a whole lot more preferable than these clearly unethical moves by M$ towards their loyal and paying customers. If you don't think so, why don't you upgrade to Windows 10 now and adopt the glorious future, where you're the product and not the customer? I'll stay one release behind the current OS X release, and when Apple releases the new shiny next month, I'll take another stab at upgrading or switching. Either way, I'm on solid ground. There's no thing lost to having more choice, including the choice to stay exactly where I am. Maybe you should take another look. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261794#p261794 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Don't you just love all these people bitching about Microsoft , of course we know why they do it, they're all mostly Crapple fan boys that think Microsoft is evil and that Crapple can do no wrong. The funny part is, we all know how so very wrong they are. For every evil thing they claim Microsoft has done, Crapple is just as guilty of doing some evil of their own.If the Get Windows 10 app causes you some much pain because it isn't from Crapple, get rid of it! How? Go over to grc.com, go to their free software page, and download their program called Never10, then run it (there is no install), find the "Disable Windows 10" button and activate it. Now the Get Windows 10 app will disappear from the system tray and be removed from your system by Windows in the back ground. And the best part is, if you ever decide you want Windows 10, the Never10 program can be used to reenable it.For those of you concerned about third party registry hacks, Never10 uses the same method of disabling the Get Windows 10 app that Microsoft uses when they determine that you aren't eligible for the free Windows 10 upgrade.Simple and easy, and far more preferable to reading your bitching. If Microsoft is so evil, why are you even bothering to run Windows in a virtual machine or with boot camp? Just delete it and be happy in the world of Crapple you love so much! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261784#p261784 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Don't you just love all these people bitching about Microsoft If the Get Windows 10 app causes you some much pain because it isn't from Crapple, get rid of it! How? Go over to grc.com, go to their free software page, and download their program called Never10, then run it, find the "Disable Windows 10" button and activate it. Now the Get Windows 10 app will disappear from the system tray and be removed from your system by Windows in the back ground. And the best part is, if you ever decide you want Windows 10, the Never10 program can be used to reenable it.Simple and easy, and far more preferable to reading your bitching.And for some return bitching. I am quite certain that for every bad thing you claim that Microsoft has done, you can find Crapple with their hands not so squeaky clean either. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261784#p261784 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Microsoft have sunk still further. I can't wait for the lawsuits, really.In previous versions of the GWX nag screen, you really only had one way to get rid of the notification without accepting the upgrade for now or for later: close the window.You know what happened next: M$ changed the window, so closing it is equivalent to acceptance. If you want to cancel, you press a tiny link to reschedule or cancel. By training people into closing the window to dismiss it, and then changing the behaviour of the close button without changing the content of the window in any way, Microsoft have gone too far.I'm so glad this will be over soon. Well, except for us, of course--God only knows what we're in for when M$ tries forcing us to upgrade after the deadline. It's truly sad though. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261771#p261771 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Microsoft have sunk still further. I can't wait for the lawsuits, really.In previous versions of the GWX nag screen, you really only had one way to get rid of the notification without accepting the upgrade for now or for later: close the window.You know what happened next: M$ changed the window, so closing it is equivalent to acceptance. If you want to cancel, you press a tiny link to reschedule or cancel. By training people into closing the window to dismiss it, and then changing the behaviour of the close button without changing the window in any way, Microsoft have gone too far.I'm so glad this will be over soon. Well, except for us, of course--God only knows what we're in for when M$ tries forcing us to upgrade after the deadline. It's truly sad though. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261771#p261771 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Totally agree about the Mac firmware, I think any new computers I purchase will be Macs because I can accessibly set a firmware password, change nvram settings and such. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261260#p261260 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Best option would be some sort of out-of-band management like Intel's AMT that can be reached across the network. But then you've got security concerns ...I am happy that, although a little weird, Intel Macs don't have Secure Boot, don't have any kind of BIOS setup (for good or bad) and have essentially one firmware boot screen: that being the one from which you pick a boot device. I hate the idea of going back to UEFI BIOS systems with point-and-click user interfaces that are simply inaccessible.Ah, yes. Cumulative updates. M$ are now rolling up security and non-security fixes. So far no nagware and spyware, but watch out! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261172#p261172 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order @Sebby, cumulative updates are also pretty nice . URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260700#p260700 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Reading this topic, I remember something last week that just makes me mad. I hope this isn't coming out to late to save people trouble, but go over here, and do a search for Secure Boot. Then think about all the accessibility problems that this would cause. MS is crazy without a doudt. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260651#p260651 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Steve Gibson of GRC wrote Never10. It merely insists that you have the required Windows update installed (for Windows Update), and then sets the two registry keys necessary to turn off this crap and sets the permissions so they can't be reverted. You run the utility again to revert. You don't need GWX Control Panel; the Get Windows 10 app will helpfully (and surprisingly!) nuke the files it downloaded once the keys are applied, and Never10 will handle the rest. It uses an officially-documented, Microsoft method.Windows 10 now has a feature I want, but I'm still not switching. It's the bash environment. OS X already has that, of course, but it's real nice to see Windows with bash. We Mac users have MacPorts and Homebrew and can compile whatever we want. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=256540#p256540 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order At post 188, Amen. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=254537#p254537 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Lol. I have a mac. Trust me, I got it around november of 2014. I can tell you, I do, to some degree, wonder if you can set one up witout having an ITunes or an Appstore account. LOL. Basicly, I do wonder if one can be set up without setting up an apple account of any kind. Didn't think to try it at the time. Then again, I need to get up the nerv to go try linux again. I do listen to some of the shows off of the TWIT network and MS has and do keep on making the news there for some reason. I wonder why... Oh weight, I know, MS really want people to upgrade! LOL. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=254479#p254479 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Y'all are always welcome on the Mac side. Come to the light. Suffer the dark and cold no longer, I pray ye. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=254461#p254461 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order From what I understand, it has been moved to recommended updates. They might had moved it higher than that without me knowing. While I was going to university, the university in question would not let me on to the net there unless I had the latest patches installed. GWX control panel caught it before it even had the chance to get to the install screen. From what I understand, a lot of everyday users have auto updates turned on, I don't. Allot of these vary same people, from what I understand, has a tendency to click through screens without thinking. You also have a lot of new articles about windows 10 and you can see where people can get mixed up about what is going on. For example, how many stories have you seen about people finding that the UI on their systems changed without them knowing why? On the other hand, how many people chose to update without thinking about what MS is getting out of it? Another thing worth noting is that the stories seemed to had quieted down a bit . How many people know that MS really has put out a patch that you had to get by hand to fixed part of the problem. Of course, to fix the rest, you have to go digging in the GPedit and the registry. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=254015#p254015 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order I've been hearing a rumour that some people are basicall being forced to upgrade now, it might actually be happening. People have gone away and come back to an isntall dialog, or is that just people not disabling updates? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=254003#p254003 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order I know that MS tried to hit me with the whole windows 10 download. If you noticed, I said tried. I had my shields up already. Ok ok ok, I had GWX installed on my system and it notified me of a possible windows 10 problem just in time for me to deal with it. Needless to say, MS is really wanting to do what I don't. I might had been tempted to try windows 10, but MS pushing it on me has just another affect. LOL. I have a MACBook pro, so playing with OSX is no problem to me. The only problem is that alot of audio games is in windows. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=253972#p253972 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Yeah, I know. I surrender trying to bring MS back on side. It's a shame, but we've been through all that.Thank god for OS X. And yes, awareness of choices, and advocacy, is what we (blind people) desperately need now. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=253933#p253933 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order ... Or we could stop using Ms products and inform blind (and sighted) of possible alternatives. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=253909#p253909 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Play with our macs? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=253905#p253905 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order The saga continues to continue.Microsoft recently released MS16-023 for Windows, which is a set of critical security fixes for Internet Explorer 11. And bugger me sideways if you've heard this before, but included in that patch is the Windows 10 nagware.So that's it, really. The bar has now gone as low as it can possibly go. My last card has been played, and lost, to the Windows 10 menace.Now what the fuck are we supposed to do? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=253899#p253899 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order hi,The start menu is similar to the start menu found in win7. The tiles are still there but they are in a place where they can be easily ignored. Like in windows 7 you can press up arrow from the search box to get to all programs. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=249401#p249401 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order They didn't remove the tiles, and no they won't learn. You can configure it IIRC, but I'm not going to install it to find out. Classic Shell does work, though--that is when MS aren't disabling it. I think M$ simply don't like apologising or admitting they're wrong. Then again, Apple don't either ... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=249358#p249358 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Can anyone tell me why the start menu has the stupid tiles? I thought Microslop finally got the message that we don't want tiles on your laptops and desktops? Sheesh! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=249338#p249338 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Can anyone tell me why the start menu has the stupid tiles? I thought Microslop finally got the message that we don't want tiles on our laptops and desktops. Sheesh! What happened to "We're going to go back to the traditional desktop experience"? The tiles should only be in tablet mode, not desktop mode. Will they ever learn? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=249338#p249338 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Can anyone tell me why the start menu has the stupid tiles? I thought Microslop finally got the message that we don't want tiles on our laptops and desktops. Sheesh! What happened to "We're going to go back to the traditional desktop experience? The tiles should only be in tablet mode, not desktop mode. Will they ever learn? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=249338#p249338 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order What about the new Start menu? Is that any less broken than it was? It used to be slow, too. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=249271#p249271 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Hi,Thanks for the info. I'll consider it as I think I'll have to update eventually. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=249270#p249270 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order hi,The file explorer sluggishness was fixed in the latest nvda next snapshots. There is now no significant difference between windows 8.1 and 10 in terms of browsing speed. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=249269#p249269 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order There are still driver issues with win 10 URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=249117#p249117 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: The Windows 10 New World Order Hello,Well, I don't know what's going to happen at this stage. I can't disable automatic updates on one of the pcs here as it's important for it to be secure, so I think this download thing is going to happen. If it does, I hope that he installer part that pops up is accessible with NVDA so that I can say to it, no, I do not want to update at this time. I'd hate to ahve toa sk for sighted help every time I start the pc just to stop it from upgrading. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=249203#p249203 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
