Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android Oh ok. My bad... here I thought I was missing something. I do hope Voice Assistant gets updated soon, though. I'm very curious to see what new tweeks they add... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=357555#p357555 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
2018-03-30
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Trenton Goldshark via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android I was referring to side-loading the "Pixel PDev" Launcher actually...You can find it among the XDA forums. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=357516#p357516 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android Cool thanks! I really am thinking about it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=357514#p357514 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android There was a learning curve, but not because of accessibility... I had to get used to feedback being different, but the more challenging part was the OS itself and geting used to having to find my own solutions. The angled gestures on Talkback were ok but not too bad, and Samsung's voice assistant made it a breeze because of the fact that they tried to get it as close to voiceover as possible without it being the same. But it certainly has come a long way in terms of accessibility, and though it has more room to improve as everything does, anyone who still thinks apple is objectively better or thinks Android isn't competition is kiddin themselves.Fun fact unrelated to accesibility... in the sighted world, 81% of the smart phone market is dominated by Android... as opposed to 12% being IOS and the rest being various other feature phones and the like. That says somethin about what the majority of the world prefers, I think. And curiously enough, with people who are visually impaired, the stats are more or less reversed. These are searchable... not numbers I made up. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=357508#p357508 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android The only thing I think I would miss from the iPhone in terms of screen reader performance would be the rotor. For anyone that switched from IOS to Droid was that easy to get used to?@pulseman45 thanks for the feedback it is really tempting! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=357506#p357506 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android When is that supposed to happen... and how are you able to get the android p preview on a samsung device just yet?For the rest, people have already laid the opinions on the table... but as a user of Apple products for five years before switching to Android last summer, anyone who says that Android is way behind Apple for accessibility is not up to date, or hasn't played with a *current* android device for a long enough period of time. Talkback and voice Assistant is in some circumstances actually more responsive than voiceover, depending on your device. Most people who are spouting negative opinions here seem to have an ingrained desire to see Android work just the same way as IOS, and I don't think that's fair... that would be like jumping from Windows to MAC OSX and complaining the lattor is clunky, or the other way around. Ironcross already said it... I would love to bang the heads of anyone expecting Android to work identically to IOS, or who are lacking current information about Android / its accessibility to together. I am not a fanboy of either camp, simply looking for the most practcal and open solution for me to do what I want with my phone... and Android allows me to do that. The fact that you can seamlessly transfer settings and data between phones of even different makers is also a huge plus. But I digress... for all those thinking about switching, make your own informed decision... and don't expect the experience to be the same, else you will be sorely disappointed. Go into it objectively, and you can then decide perhaps a bit more fairly and may even be surprised as to what you decide. But if you want a similar experience... go with a Samsung device running Android Orio and Voice Assistant. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=357460#p357460 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
2018-03-30
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Trenton Goldshark via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android As of this post, I'm running the Pixel Launcher (Androi P Dev Preview,) using the Samsung email client, using Microsoft Edge to post this message, and I go between both Voice Assisttant and Talkback, particularly since Talkback has the identify labels feature. However, once Voice Assistant gets its major rewrite/Talkback 6 sorce code has been added, talkback, is, going off my system! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=357431#p357431 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android I wish I knew more about that, I'm quite satisfied of my phone as it is so I didn't really customize much of it. Though i have to admit I like the openness of the system, as even the apps that define the basic functions of a phone can be replaced. I had a problem with the OnePlus dialler with Talkback as I wouldn't be able to compose a number after the Oreo update, but I simply downloaded a modded version of the Google Dialler and I was good to go. So I guess if you are into finding the launcher and suit of apps for each functionality that best suit your needs it's quite awesome, and there are probably things I don't know yet about Android's customization.The reason why I left IOs in the first place is because I was willing to know what happened on the other side, and because I felt Apple's pricing policy was getting too much out of control. I wanted a modern phone but couldn't easily justify spending the money required for an IPhone X or even an IPhone 8 compared to what they brought to the table, especially considering I could get a OnePlus 5T for half the price of an IPhone X. Now that one phone isn't perfect and support for updates (especially security updates) could be much better, but it's still fairly good.In fact, in 2018 Android seems more attractive than ever, you can find pretty cheap devices that should perform pretty well for most usages. That include Android One devices like Motorola Moto X4 and the upcomming Nokia 6 2018 and 7 Plus, with pretty solid update support. And then there's Project Treble that's supposed to help bring major updates to devices earlier, but it's efficiency remains yet to be seen. I even find the Samsung Galaxy S9 line to be quite attractive because it doesn't present too much compromises for a 2018 flagship, whereas I wasn't even close to being a big Samsung fan, except maybe for the accessibility enhancements. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=357422#p357422 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android I wish I knew more about that, I'm quite satisfied of my phone as it is so I didn't really customize much of it. Though i have to admit I like the openness of the system, as even the apps that define the basic functions of a phone can be replaced. I had a problem with the OnePlus dialler with Talkback as I wouldn't be able to compose a number after the Oreo update, but I simply downloaded a modded version of the Google Dialler and I was good to go. So I guess if you are into finding the launcher and suit of apps for each functionality that best suit your needs it's quite awesome, and there are probably things I don't know yet about Android's customization.The reason why I left IOs in the first place it's because I was willing to know what happened on the other side, and because I felt Apple's pricing policy was getting too much out of control. I wanted a modern phone but couldn't easily justify spending the money required for an IPhone X or even an IPhone 8 compared to what they brought to the table, especially considering I could get a OnePlus 5T for half the price of an IPhone X. Now that one phone isn't perfect and support for updates (especially security updates) could be much better, but it's still fairly good.In fact, in 2018 Android seems more attractive than ever, you can find pretty cheap devices that should perform pretty well for most usages. That include Android One devices like Motorola Moto X4 and the upcomming Nokia 6 2018 and 7 Plus, with pretty solid update support. And then there's Project Treble that's supposed to help bring major updates to devices earlier, but it's efficiency remains yet to be seen. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=357422#p357422 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android I wish I knew more about that, I'm quite satisfied of my phone as it is so I didn't really customize much of it. Though i have to admit I like the openness of the system, as even the apps that define the basic functions of a phone can be replaced. I had a problem with the OnePlus dialler with Talkback as it wouldn't be able to compose a number after the Oreo update, but I simply downloaded a modded version of the Google Dialler and I was good to go. So I guess if you are into finding the launcher and suit of apps for each functionality that best suit your needs it's quite awesome, and there are probably things I don't know yet about Android's customization.The reason why I left IOs in the first place it's because I was willing to know what happened on the other side, and because I felt Apple's pricing policy was getting too much out of control. I wanted a modern phone but couldn't easily justify spending the money required of an IPhone X or even an IPhone 8 compared to what they brought to the table, especially considering I could get a OnePlus 5T for half the price of an IPhone X. Now that one phone isn't perfect and support for updates (especially security updates) could be much better, but it's still fairly good.In fact, in 2018 Android seems more attractive than ever, you can find pretty cheap devices that should perform pretty well for most usages. That include Android One devices like Motorola Moto X4 and the upcomming Nokia 6 2018 and 7 Plus, with pretty solid update support. And then there's Project Treble that's supposed to help bring major updates to devices earlier, but it's efficiency remains yet to be seen. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=357422#p357422 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android So after this latest IOS update I'm starting to wonder if the ability to customize things on Droid would be enough for me to ditch the iPhone. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=357394#p357394 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android I personally dislike android, and I've tried it. I had a couple android phones in the past and it's just no no. Not even android 7. There's just something off about it. and braille screen input on iOS is a must. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=345886#p345886 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android I almost went with the motorola phones but I liked what samsung did to the OS in terms of accessibility and conveniences. I had to reformat my 8 plus last night because it was not acting right at all since I switched from my 6s. Now it is working perfectly. Probably because it knows it is about become second rate to my s8. LOL I plan to dive head first into android. I have actually not sat down and really learned android for what it is. I know it is different than IOS. That is a given. I have not had a really good piece of hardware to run android on. This s8 will be the best android device I messed with. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=345758#p345758 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android I had the occasion to train a bit with a Galaxy J3, and what definitely impressed me is how permissive Talkback's angular gesture actually is. I could literally swipe up, keep my finger where it is for a quarter or even half a second, then swipe right, and the local context menu would still open. Talkback's sound feedback indeed indicates you do two separate swipes but the command remains valid, provided you don't lift your finger at all. I guess it's a good way to start for one who doesn't manage to do it fast, as I admit doing it fast seems quite difficult. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=345659#p345659 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android You do bring up a good point that I'd forgot which is that the copy and paste is clunky. I don't have to do it that often so it's not a huge deal as I usually end up working from the laptop most of the time. Bluetooth keyboard support on Android is also terrible since you cannot press return to send a message and don't seem to be able to tab to the send button either, so the fact that you have to pick up the phone to press send makes the use of a keyboard a bit pointless. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=345643#p345643 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android I also got the Moto g5 a while ago. And in general, I am quite satisfied with the performance of Android. Web navigation works fine for me. In some ways, the gestures make even more sense than on IOS.Unfortunately though, the Apps, that I use on a daily basis are not that accessible. For my music, I use Deezer. And Talkback doesn't read search results. And some buttons don't show up with Talkback.Also, the Apps for my server are somewhat difficult to work with. Another strange thing that I encountered is the screen keyboard, which sometimes appears to be very sluggish in response. Oh, and there is one thing, that I don't like with talkback, and that is the way, you copy and paste text. I wish, they would add a short gesture for that, like in Voice Assistant or Voiceover. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=345636#p345636 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android I've had a moto g5 for months now. I switched from Crapple when they locked me out of my account because of their two-factor authentication bug. Plus I was moving at the time and needed a new cellular plan and a new number. I'm really glad that I did this. Motorola seems to have a very clean experience and talkback never gives me trouble. The apps are smaller, the gestures are generally simpler and most of them are close enough to iOS that it's not an issue. Plus the better hardware is way worth it and you don't need things like BlindSquare or the like because I've gotten Google Maps to do the same thing. I'll grab the apk for BRLTTY because I've got a display coming in a few days again, and brailleback seems about as useful as a screen door on a submarine, but I'm very familiar with BRLTTY, having used it on Linux for years. So thanks for pointing out that that can be ran on Android. I'll look into getting that working here as soon as the display gets here. I don't like the 3 and 4-finger and silly rotor gestures on iOS anyway. They are not good for large hands and long fingers. Plus, unlike VoiceOver, TalkBack gives you a nice tutor when you launch it for the first time, and that helped a lot. Sure there are a lot less games that are accessible but that's the only area where I've found anything lacking. The play music app and service is far better to navigate than Crapple's, though they have equally bad recommendations if you have diverse musical tastes. I won't be bothering with more Crapple products as the Android stuff tends to work really well, and I like the customization. The 4-day battery if I don't heavily use the phone is also good. I'll add Samsung devices to the possible upgrade path, as well as I nearly got a google pixel, but that carrier's plan was silly, so I went with another carrier and a cheaper phone, but this one hasn't given me any issues. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=345620#p345620 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
2018-01-03
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Trenton Goldshark via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android @austingraceFunny enough, you can! I have it installed, though unless you memmorize the button layout, have "Identify Labels" when using Talkback turnned on, or if you label the buttons manually when either using Voice Assistant/Talkback.Honestly though, I do like the app itself. You can always contact the devs to se if they can do better with labeling In addition, I haven't the buttons though. I myself haven't only because I haven't needed too. I do not know if an app called "Blindo" has labels for "Next Radio" uploaded to it yet:https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta … &hl=en, though do keep in mind, this social network for labels, is only for Talkback users.I switch between Talkback and Voice Assistant currently, depending on what I wish to do. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=345613#p345613 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android I'm just sick of how controlling they are with everything. Also I don't know if you guys know this but I heard you can install the next radio on the s8 and it uses the fm tuner in it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=345600#p345600 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android @Austingrace, Might I know please what makes you sick of Apple? Not that I am a fan of Apple products as I myself would like to switch to Android for some practical reasons, but the accessibility of Android has yet a long way to enable me to work with an Android device just like I already do with an Apple one.Some of the reasons that hold me back from switching are:1. The low performance of Talkback in recognising gestures2. The inflexibility of web navigation3. The lack of Braille support4. The lack of gestures used to perform quick actions (like magic tap on iOS).Some of the aforementioned issues could be fixed, however, if they added a braille keyboard like braille screen input of iOS, I would immediately go and buy a samsung device. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=345571#p345571 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android Yep, I think it would have been a no-brainer for me if it was officially available in France, but well, that's how it is. Plus the onePlus 5T has a headphone jack without extra adaptor needed and I still think it's awesome in it's own right. I should receive it soon, hopefully it's not gonna go the same root as the 3 and 3T which only had one year of update... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=345558#p345558 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android If you wish to get instant Android updates and clean Google experience, look no further than Google Pixel series. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=345535#p345535 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android Well guys. I took a trip on the galaxy so to speak. LOL I did a thing and now sometime on Friday there will be a truck dropping off a shiny new toy to my house. It is just a regular s8. I saw the plus and note and found them to be too big. My iPhone 8 plus is big enough as it is. LOLL So I'll keep you all posted. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=345339#p345339 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android I don't use a braille display with a phone myself, but still I want to demonstrate the same thing as you, that Android can be as good as IOS. Though admitedly it's also because of Apple's last design choice which, to me, are more about design than practicality. I really think the IPhones, and especially the IPhone X, are overpriced for what they are.But I do respect Apple for the fact that if today blind people are able to choose from many smartphone models from various brand just as the sighted do, it's without much doubt thanks to Apple's investment in accessibility. And the fact other brands are united under the Android banner, of course.Now, if I refer to some discussions in the Blindphones group and even the Eyes-Free group, it seems the angular gesture, or more exactly the absence of multitouch gesture in Talkback, is what turns of most people from fully looking at which choice they have. To be honest that makes me sad, and I really hope multitouch gessture will be implemented at some point in Talkback, as an alternative to what Talkback already has.Aside of maybe some accessibility flaws that some manufacturer's user interface may contain, it seems to be the last step to solve before most blind users fully realize the variety of devices they can choose from.The only thing I'd be unable to speak of as I didn't use my IPhone for many things aside calling and texting, is how some current apps compare on both OS. At least when I'll get my OnePlus 5T, I intend to tap into more of it's potential than with my old, obsolete IPhone 4S. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=345275#p345275 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android I don't use a braille display with a phone myself, but still I want to demonstrate the same thing as you, that Android can be as good as IOS. Though admitedly it's also because of Apple's last design choice which, to me, are more about design than practicality. I really think the IPhones, and especially the IPhone X, are overpriced for what they are.But I do respect Apple for the fact that if today blind people are able to choose from many smartphone models from various brand just as the sighted do, it's without much doubt thanks to Apple's investment in accessibility. And the fact other brands are united under the Android banner, of course.Now, if I refer to some discussions in the Blindphones group and even the Eyes-Free group, it seems the angular gesture, or more exactly the absence of multitouch gesture in Talkback, is what turns of most people from fully looking at which choice they have. To be honest that makes me sad, and I really hope multitouch gessture will be implemented at some point in Talkback, as an alternative to what Talkback already has.Aside of maybe some accessibility flaws that some manufacturer's user interface may contain, it seems to be the last step to solve before most blind users fully realize the variety of devices they can choose from. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=345275#p345275 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android Hello everyone. I'm taking the plunge and getting a galaxy s8 plus. The note is too much phone but the 8 plus is fine. i can't get an answer on the smart beetle situation so I'll answer it for you guys once I get the phone and learn it some. I do understand that braille back finally has a beta but it is from July. Also I will try out brltty. I don't know how many people own a smart beetle and an android device. I feel like that android can be just as useful for blind people and I want to prove that point over these next few months. Because quite frankly, I'm getting sick of apple. I have been using an iPhone for almost 8 years. My first iPhone was an iPhone 4 back in 2010 on ios 4. I have had every iPhone except the 4S and 7. But I think the smart beetle can be used on android without much issues. I don't know when the new official version of brailleback will be released but hopefully soon. I heard that that beta allows for grade 2 braille input and that was my biggest issue with brailleback on my 6p. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=345264#p345264 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
2017-12-31
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Trenton Goldshark via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android @darkThe following podcast (produced by the same guy who created “Park Boss,”) may be of interest to you:www.ndadamson.com/blindlyswitching/Since you are a gamer, the one reason why I’d at least pick up a 50 to 100 USD tablet, is Android version of “delight Games,” come out quicker than the series on IOS, unless you do not mind waiting.I would like to let ya know by the way, Microsoft Edge for both IOS and Android is 100 percent accessible, same going for all Microsoft apps. One thing to keep in mind about Android vs IOS for now, is that you currently can’t “download” stuff to your Apple device via the web browser to the internal storage. I’m not sure how much that would matter to you however. Web browsing on Android acts mor like how Windows does it (especially if using a keyboard, though not sure how the learning curve would be for you with that either. Two more things to note:For the official docs on Android Accessibility, please see:Http://support.google.com/talkback, and for a community similar to “Applevis” (though for Android users, check out:Http://inclusiveandroid.comBonus!You “can” subscribe to the “Eyes-Free” Android mailing list provided by Google using either:Http://g.co/eyesfreegroupOreyes-free+subscr...@googlegroups.com, though that group is “high traffic.” URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=344781#p344781 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android @Trenton, thanks for the recommendation, but my point here was more that I don't particularly see what Android would do that Ios/windows/alexa wouldn't do, ie, what is unique about the system, feel free to set me straight on it's advantages, since I am genuinely interested in what advantages android gives other than the freedom from the Apple of evil .I would be glad to have a poke around at an Android device for the sake of curiosity as I said, but I'm afraid I don't have a couple of hundred quid to spend on something just to poke around with, if I won the lottery fair enough, though likely I'd still be too busy playing Hero's call, going to disney or hiering goons to kidnap the president of nintendo and tickle him until he makes accessible games to bother with one then . URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=344725#p344725 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
2017-12-30
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Trenton Goldshark via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android @austingraceHere's a list for all keybindings for BRLTTY (HIMS included):http://mielke.cc/brltty/doc/KeyBindings/@DarkI'd strongly reccommend getting the Samsung Galaxy Tab A, especially if you'd like to dive in to using an Android device without wishing to by a phone:http://www.samsung.com/uk/tablets/galaxy-tab-a/Considering you got both "Voice Assistant" and "Talkback" and can switch between them with ease if you'd like at anytime, you have a pretty nice way of testing Android apps with Accessibility.I still have to make an actual list of all "Google Assistant Apps" for the forum." For now though, check out the following:https://support.google.com/googlehome/a … 9814?hl=en URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=344653#p344653 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android I'd like to try android at some point for curiosity, but at the moment the initial argument which stopped me even considering Android back in 2012 still seems to hold true unfortunately, namely what games, useful aps and other things can you get on Android that are not available elsewhere? People know my opinion of Itunes as a platform and the way Ios handles music and data, however that doesn't stop the fact that there are still far more accessible games and other Aps unique to Ios that I'd miss on Android if I switched completely, and even if I considered Android as a possible extra system, I'm not absolutely sure of what Android could do for me that I do not already do on Ios/windows (not to mention my new Alexa). this isn't intended as an Android bash at all, I'm certainly not one of those raving Apple fan boys who thinks apple is god, it's just a genuine problem, since from what I've gathered while it's certainly true Google's development policies as regards authorising aps and allowing data transfer etc are certainly nicer than Apple's, I've just not really heard of much which is unique that Android can practically do on a daily basis that would incline me to invest time or money in it, much less switch from Ios. Indeed from what I've gathered Android seems to be a system where the user needs to put in a lot of time and effort learning the system, uninstalling bloat wear and reconfiguring and in the endn do less with it. After all while there are one or two unique android games, a lot are also repeated on Ios and there are still a lot of games and aps that run on Ios but not Android.Whether the aps being produced for Google assistant will change this, or whether there will be enough developers working on Android in the future I don't know., but that seems to be where I am with this at the moment.it is why I bought an Iphone 8 this christmas (which is currently at my parents waiting to be unboxed and used), and never even considered Android as an alternative. Of course, if anyone can! tell me about stuff that Android can do which is unique to it as a platform I'd very much like to know about it, and certainly if I ever get the chance to try out an Android device, at tech demonstration or the like I'll take it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=344510#p344510 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android Hey all. I really appreciate your feedback. I consider myself very technical minded so I don't mind a challenge if you will. I'm currently paying for my 8 plus through the tmobile jump program. Another thought i had was trading the phone back to tmobile and get the note 8 and an iPad through them. I still want IOS in my life for seeing AI and blindsquare and things like that. But nearby explorer is good on android as well. Also another thing, I'm a very heavy braille user and have grown to like using my smart beetle with my iPhone and voiceover. The main reason why I have not gotten the note 8 is because I don't want to buy the phone and find that BRLTTy will not fit my needs. I do know that brailleback does not work with the smart beetle. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=344381#p344381 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android I use a blu energy x android 5.1 with latest talkback. it works fine for my daily needs. and in february I plan on getting a moto e4 plus with android 7.1 on it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=33#p33 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android Hey all. I really appreciate your feedback. I consider myself very technical minded so I don't mind a challenge if you will. I'm currently paying for my 8 plus through the tmobile jump program. Another thought i had was trading the phone back to tmobile and get the note 8 and an iPad through them. I still want IOS in my life for seeing AI and blindsquare and things like that. But nearby explorer is good on android as well. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=344381#p344381 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android Nick Adamson did a podcast on switching to Droid you can find it here and learn somethings about the differences between IOS and Droid.http://www.ndadamson.com/blindlyswitching/ URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=344328#p344328 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android ironcross32 wrote:While I have never had an android phone, I have had android tablets and loved them. So my feeling on the subject is this. If you separate people into two camps, those who are technically minded, and those who are not, the former will have no problem switching to android. Will it be a process, yes, will it take some time, yes, but it can be done. Those in the second camp probably should not switch. That's not a slur on them, its just if you use your hone for email, texts, instagram, snapchat, pinterest and the like, and that's it, you're going to cause yourself much pain, frustration and the like by switching.Everyone seems to agree on that. I know someone who works as a trainer for assistive technology and that's pretty much exactly what she says.In fact, even in mainstream forums where accessibility isn't discussed that much, you still see pretty similar opinions. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=344276#p344276 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android While I have never had an android phone, I have had android tablets and loved them. So my feeling on the subject is this. If you separate people into two camps, those who are technically minded, and those who are not, the former will have no problem switching to android. Will it be a process, yes, will it take some time, yes, but it can be done. Those in the second camp probably should not switch. That's not a slur on them, its just if you use your hone for email, texts, instagram, snapchat, pinterest and the like, and that's it, you're going to cause yourself much pain, frustration and the like by switching.Everybody that says droids are not accessible, I would like very much to line them up in two long columns, so you have two people standing abreast of each other back the line. I would like to start at the head of this line, taking one person in one hand, the other in the other, and banging their heads together, then throwing them aside and moving onto the next two. It's getting closer and closer to that iPhone-like 'it just works' principal, but its not there yet. That doesn't mean you can't use it at all though.It is absolutely not a requirement that you root your device to use it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=344257#p344257 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android That I can't really tell, but from what I saw on Inclusive Android, BRLTTY has it's own screen reader. I never really used a Samsung device or any Android device connected to a braille display for that matter, so I don't know if you would have to suspend or disable the Samsung screen reader when using BRLTTY, hopefully someone knows these things more than I do. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=344250#p344250 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android Hello to all. I'm so sick of apple and their crap. There is one thing that really holds me back from getting a note 8. I have a smart beetle braille display and have really come to rely on braille over the past 2 and a half years. Is it true you can use BRLTTY with the smart beetle and the voice connect samsung screen reader? If so, I would totally switch. Also I like to hook my phone to people's car stereos and turn off the speech and use braille to interact with my phone and I could not do that with my nexus 6p and braille back. Thank you all so much for the help. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=344171#p344171 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android To be honest.I don't know.One thing to note, once you are in a system you are pritty much locked into it.Android maybe not so much but there are different transfers and the like.Apple, well the fact is once you buy their stuff like music then you are locked to apple devices for all time.It depends what you want or need in a device.If you like to geek about and hack about, and customise, and all that the power of an android is unmatched.If you though have just come from simbian as I have and just want to use it with all its extra access and interface that does not change much from os to os I'd still choose ios over android.I have both and while the android devices I have used in the past I just don't like some interfaces, as well as that some of the apps are inaccessible for update etc.My aunt got it so her droid got dammaged after her battery died, she got a cheaper chinese replacement, it got hot, she got a refu nd and another one but the device was dammaged, and she lost all her stuff.She has a samsung and likes it, so do some of my friends.I had a scare yesterday where my cell previder anounced they are switching off 2g making my old phone useless however it supports umts which is 3g so its no problem.To be honest I am unsure what I will do.A business friend recomends I use an android device as a phone and apple like a pod or something just for apps and gaming so I have the best of both worlds but I just don't know.I am still primarily a win7 and maybe later 10 user on a desktop.99.9% of everything is done on there including gaming.The only reason I am even thinking of even buying an ios device even if its just a pod is because sonnar really want me to be using an touch device to game as computers for the new generation of games especially online are just so yesteryear.But what can I say, my first os was dos.then win95, then well you get the picture.Point is I am unsure if if my phone dies if I just switch to a basic phone that just does text and calls I am still undecided where I go.I want it to work and work for a while.I know for example that while expensive I only have to deal with 1 solution itunes.And since itunes is only for music now and data updates and backups, I will only have to deal with 1 or 2 packages which means it will be less of a learning curve.On the other hand, android units will I don't know, I have no idea exactly what.Then again, maybe if simple is all I need maybe a windows phone will be best.True most apps are not accessible from the store and with ms discontinuing their music service, ms accounts and the ms store will become completely useless to the blind in short order, still... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=331950#p331950 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android [[wow]]. That is awesome. I just picked up my iPhone 8 plus. I'm still not a fan of the way android does audio. I still prefer IOS for a lot of things. May wait a year or 2 and look at android again. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=331817#p331817 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
2017-10-02
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Trenton Goldshark via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android @austinYou mentioned about the 'Smart Beetle" with BRLTTY. Your in luck! Check out the following:http://brltty.com/doc/KeyBindings/brl-hm-beetle.txtEnjoy the read!As for the "Magic Tap," ll Samsung phones from S6 onwards with Android 7.0 and newer, support answering/hangingup calls with that lovely feature.You can also answer/reject calls withBixby too. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=331624#p331624 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android My biggest issue is the braille support on android. I have a smart beetle. Do you all know if BRLTTY supports the smart beetle? Also can you use the samsung magic tap to answer calls? If so, I may consider an s8 or something But if not then iPhone 8 plus it is... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=331570#p331570 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
2017-10-01
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Trenton Goldshark via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android Greetings!For the best jump from IOS to Android, your best bet is to get a Samsung device, particularly either the S-Line, the A-Line, or the J-line, depending on your residing country.Voice Assistant (formally called "Galaxy Talkback,")is the only screen reader on Android which has voiceover-like gestures, including the "magic tap" feature which Google's own"Talkback" does not have. As a quick side note, if you'd like to email Samsung thoughts and suggestions, send an electronic mail to accessibil...@sea.samsung.com, and visit their USA Mobile Accesibility info page over athttp://www.samsung.com/us/accessibility/mobile/To start Voice Assistant on the Galaxy S8/Note8 and later, use "Volume-Up+Power." On the A/J-Line, use the "Triple-Click-Home" action. In addition if using a Samsung device with "Bixby" on it, you can now turn on/off Voice Assistant with your voice, which Talkback from Google will never be able to do sadly.For a nice round up of Voice Assistant Gestures, please check out the below articles from Android CentralandMedia Acces AustraliaI hope all of the above helps. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=331481#p331481 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android
2017-10-01
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Trenton Goldshark via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Thinking on switching from iOS to android Greetings!For the best jump from IOS to Android, your best bet is to get a Samsung device, particularly either the S-Line, the A-Line, or the J-line, depending on your residing country.Voice Assistant (formally called "Galaxy Talkback,")is the only screen reader on Android which has voiceover-like gestures, including the "magic tap" feature which Google's own"Talkback" does not have. As a quick side note, if you'd like to email Samsung thoughts and suggestions, send an electronic mail to mailto:accessibil...@sea.samsung.com]accessibil...@sea.samsung.comTo start Voice Assistant on the Galaxy S8/Note8 and later, use "Volume-Up+Power." On the A/J-Line, use the "Triple-Click-Home" action. In addition if using a Samsung device with "Bixby" on it, you can now turn on/off Voice Assistant with your voi ce, which Talkback from Google will never be able to do sadly.For a nice round up of Voice Assistant Gestures, please check out the below articles from Android CentralandMedia Acces AustraliaI hope all of the above helps. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=331481#p331481 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Thinking on switching from iOS to android
2017-09-30
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : tysonsylvester123 via Audiogames-reflector
Thinking on switching from iOS to android Hello all, as you can guess by the topic title. I'm thinking on switching from IOS, is there any similar gestures that you would use in talkback that's similar to voiceover, or is there a way that I can make it feel more voiceover like seeing his amuse to those gestures, I do not mind switching but I just wonder how big the gap is going to be responses would be greatly appreciated, cheers URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=331426#p331426 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
