Re: I'm Sorry

2020-03-16 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : ivan_soto via Audiogames-reflector


  


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I brought it back with a flamewar? Oh I'm sorry for asking about something my name was just dragged into? I didn't see the topic until so... wa wa wa

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-03-15 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Jaidon Of the Caribbean via Audiogames-reflector


  


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LOL. This topic is like a month old and you brought it back up with a flame war? Hat's off to you, Ivan.

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-03-15 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : haily_merry via Audiogames-reflector


  


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Ivan, the two others I can remember off of the top of my head are isoto5 and blinkwizard23. I think there was another one as well but I honestly can't remember.

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-03-15 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Dan_Gero via Audiogames-reflector


  


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Wonderful, Ivan. Way to bring back an old topic. Couldn't you have just left this alone.

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-03-15 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : ivan_soto via Audiogames-reflector


  


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Haily,please explain what alts I have? I don't even remember them.The only one I can remember ever making on here is LS23, and some other account I made when I was extremely new to the forum. Probably 5 years old now

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-03-01 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector


  


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Hold my beer. I’ll be back

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-02-29 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : thetechguy via Audiogames-reflector


  


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@36, lol!

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-02-29 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Nocturnus via Audiogames-reflector


  


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I'm leaving tomorrow, and coming back tomorrow night.  I just thought you should know.

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-02-29 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : marko via Audiogames-reflector


  


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Are we all going to leave this decade? Forum gone!!

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-02-27 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Jaidon Of the Caribbean via Audiogames-reflector


  


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What I'd like to remind you guys about, is that this topic wasn't originally an I'm Leaving topic. All it was intended to do was tell the mods I have old accounts to delete, and that's it.

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-02-27 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Vulcan_Raven via Audiogames-reflector


  


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Ha, didn't think my post posted as my browser locked up.  Anyways I wasn't done, but I have lost my string of thought on how I was going to finish said post. As for this topic, how many have we seen of this sort? people appologizing fr this and that, and then turning around and doing the same thing again and again?  sickenning really.

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-02-26 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : bryant via Audiogames-reflector


  


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so i'm only going to say this:You claim to have had more than 1 account in the passed and now want the mods to delete them. My question is why has it taken you this long to come forward and say that you had more than 1 account? Why did you wait this long? You say you are forgetful, so why did you suddenly just happen to remember that you had these accounts? I can't help being a little suspicious

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-02-26 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : an idiot via Audiogames-reflector


  


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@30 My point exactly.

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-02-26 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Nocturnus via Audiogames-reflector


  


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@28 I think I was the first to suggest it, but said that I honestly didn't see it becoming a thing.  More to the point though?  It would take away a valuable resource.

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-02-26 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Jaidon Of the Caribbean via Audiogames-reflector


  


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I must apologise. My earlier posts weren't called for. While I still share the same sentiments in my earlier posts, I went about it the wrong way. Me pointing a giant middle finger aat Jayd was not called for. I hope you guys did get an understanding into my brain. The giant middle finger at simba stands though. @Defender, I still don't know when I attacked the mods for being out to get me. This is the first time I ever expressed that mood on here. I'll still check this topic, but as a guest.

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-02-26 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : an idiot via Audiogames-reflector


  


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@ Vulcan_Raven, This forum is centralized, while other  things such as skype and t t are not. The off topic room has helped me on a number of occasions, and without it, I would not have found the solutions to several problems. It’s there and I see no game stopping  downsides to it. I continuously fail to see a reason why this model should be followed. Things like the off topic room have been around for well over 10 years, and I have seen very few besides yourself call for it to be taken down.

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-02-26 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : an idiot via Audiogames-reflector


  


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@ Vulcan_Raven, forum is centralized, while other  things such as skype and t t are not. The off topic room has helped me on a number of occasions, and without it, I would not have found the solutions to several problems. It’s there and I do not see any downside to it. Most discussions do not typically leak into general game rooms. I continuously fail to see a reason why this model should be followed. Things like the off topic room have been around for well over 10 years, I have seen very few besides yourself call for it to be taken down.

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-02-26 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : an idiot via Audiogames-reflector


  


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This is centralized, while other  things such as skype and t t are not. The off topic room has helped me on a number of occasions, and without it, I would not have found the solutions to several problems. It’s there and I do not see any downside to it. Most discussions do not typically leak into general game rooms. I continuously fail to see a reason why this model should be followed. Things like the off topic room have been around for well over 10 years, I have seen very few besides yourself call for it to be taken down.

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-02-26 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Vulcan_Raven via Audiogames-reflector


  


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See 22 has it right. since when did this games forum become a forum where anything could be talked about?  What ever happened to only it beeing about playing games, developement, and advocating for game accessability.  I say, lets bring it back to that. fuck the other shit, isn't that what people's tt servers are about anyways? hell even skype?

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-02-26 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Dan_Gero via Audiogames-reflector


  


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I understand where you're coming from Defender. I guess my anger wasn't so much directed at you as much as it was everyone who gave him hell in general. I mean sure, his jokes weren't that great, but it didn't warrant some of the reactions I saw. More or less I saw your post as one of those, didn't really read to deep into it and thought, "Oh, it's just one more person attacking Jaiden for no reason." That was my fault for assuming and I take back my angry statement towards you from yesterday.Nevertheless, my comments on the community as a majority still stand. I feel like a lot of people start things with other people for little to no reason, the aforementioned Moonwalker being one of those people. She's only one person, but there are a LOT of community members that yield similar behavior.

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-02-26 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Jaidon Of the Caribbean via Audiogames-reflector


  


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Defender, this is the first time I ever said that.Yeah well, I think I sorta needed that shake up. I don't be a jerk on purpose, I just  try to look mature. I do a better job in person, than  I do in text.

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-02-26 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Jaidon Of the Caribbean via Audiogames-reflector


  


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Explanation!I said that I think Jayd is always looking for an excuse to ban me again. Here's why.me. The forum had an uptick in drama when i was gone.Jayd. AHA! How do you know! Lawrence wasn't here for the full 3 months! You must have had an alt! You must have!Me. Hey mods. I hav some accounts I want you to delete.Jayd. Aha! You admitted it! Oh wait. He didn't outright say he had an alt. I should probably ask him first.Now, this could all be perfectlly harmless, like my first post, but to me athat's how it feels to me. People like simba and others always look to critise or get me warned as soon as I do something.Me. You idiots ride on your high horses.Simba. Personal attack! I'm gonna report you!Simba. You bratty dimwited kid who should be gone again. Why didn't I just ping the mods? My stupid cousin literally told Jayd I had other accounts I can use, and you can delete them. Jayd didn't read or respond. I'm sorry about this, but I get annoyed very easily. I think I could use a little break from the forum.@Nocturnous, how do I keep my head up? Because of people like you and Dan Gero. Plus, I have very little self-valuation based on people on the internet. While they may play a small role, I don't seek your praise, like 22 claim I do. Now, Jayd, I think you're a damn good mod, however I think sometimes, you're personal opinions do critically affect you're moderation actions. Now, its not completely a bad thing, but let's look at two examples:The post which you banned me for, and Haily's recent retaliation. WhileI can understand Haily's response, my post wasn't even an attack. It was a bloody example. Just saying. So, bye for now, maybe later on, I'll be able to release something for you people to actually enjoy. But knowing y'alls, because I release it, yule find any reason to attack the damn thing.

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-02-26 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Jaidon Of the Caribbean via Audiogames-reflector


  


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Defender, this is the first time I ever said that.

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-02-26 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Jaidon Of the Caribbean via Audiogames-reflector


  


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Explanation!I said that I think Jayd is always looking for an excuse to ban me again. Here's why.me. The forum had an uptick in drama when i was gone.Jayd. AHA! How do you know! Lawrence wasn't here for the full 3 months! You must have had an alt! You must have!Me. Hey mods. I hav some accounts I want you to delete.Jayd. Yuricka! proof that you have an alt! All I have to do is hit the ban link. Just have to get a statement first.Now, this could all be perfectlly harmless, like my first post, but to me athat's how it feels to me. People like simba and others always look to critise or get me warned as soon as I do something.Me. You idiots ride on your high horses.Simba. Personal attack! I'm gonna report you!Simba. You bratty dimwited kid who should be gone again. Nope. Definately not a personal attack. Nope! Why didn't I just ping the mods? My stupid cousin literally told Jayd I had other accounts I can use, and you can delete them. Jayd didn't read or respond. I'm sorry about this, but I get annoyed very easily. I think I could use a little break from the forum.@Nocturnous, how do I keep my head up? Because of people like you and Dan Gero. Plus, I have very little self-valuation based on people on the internet. While they may play a small role, I don't seek your praise, like 22 claim I do. Now, Jayd, I think you're a damn good mod, however I think sometimes, you're personal opinions do critically affect you're moderation actions. Now, its not completely a bad thing, but let's look at two examples:The post which you banned me for, and Haily's recent retaliation. WhileI can understand Haily's response, my post wasn't even an attack. It was a bloody example. Just saying. So, bye for now, maybe later on, I'll be able to release something for you people to actually enjoy. But knowing y'alls, because I release it, yule find any reason to attack the damn thing.

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Re: I'm Sorry

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@DanMy post was referring to his assertion that the mods were after him specifically, not about his account problem. it wasn't the first time he has said something like that recently, and I'm simply tired of it, Considering that he is causing all of his own problems with the mods anyway and was already recently unbanned.you yourself have stated in the past how harmful you think unfounded anti-mod sentiment can be, And we don't need another Moonwalker situation. I am a firm believer that as long as you can keep it pretty civil, it is sometimes necessary to be harsh with someone in order to get them to pause for a moment and take a close look at themselves.I spoke from my point of you, but it was just as much about helping the forum as it was about my own annoyance, Better to explain to someone why everybody seems to be upset with them then to leave them in the dark and wondering. this type of intervention has definitely helped me before as well. although I do realize how harsh I sounded regardless, but expressing my opinion properly while at the same time being delicate has never been a very strong skill of mine. I tend to attack first, and then explain myself afterwards just like I am doing now.@JaidonFirst I would like to say thank you for choosing to step back for a while, I understand that can be very hard, and I appreciate it.Second of all, I should say that I am not criticizing you for trying to bring some humor to the forum, and I give you credit for trying to deal with your own bad situation using humor rather than purely anger, as so many others often do.But after you realize that your humor was not going over well with people, and actually causing more drama, you decided to continue trying in the same way and then blaming the mods for the backlash you got. That is the real problem I have here.even now you are still passive aggressively blaming us, and although I sympathize with your personal problems, it is ultimately your choice to take it out on the forum rather than trying to improve your situation in another way.I hope to see you back here once your personal situation has improved, I always thought it was cool to have someone from Trinidad on the forum as you don't here about that country very much where I live.

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Re: I'm Sorry

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@DanMy post was referring to his assertion that the mods were after him specifically, not about his account problem. it wasn't the first time he has said something like that recently, and I'm simply tired of it, Considering that he is causing all of his own problems with the mods anyway and was already recently unbanned.you yourself have stated in the past how harmful you think unfounded anti-mod sentiment can be, And we don't need another Moonwalker situation. I am a firm believer that as long as you can keep it pretty civil, it is sometimes necessary to be harsh with someone in order to get them to pause for a moment and take a close look at themselves.I spoke from my point of you, but it was just as much about helping the forum as it was about my own annoyance, Better to explain to someone why everybody seems to be upset with them then to leave them in the dark and wondering. this type of intervention has definitely helped me before as well.@JaidonFirst I would like to say thank you for choosing to step back for a while, I understand that can be very hard, and I appreciate it.Second of all, I should say that I am not criticizing you for trying to bring some humor to the forum, and I give you credit for trying to deal with your own bad situation using humor rather than purely anger, as so many others often do.But after you realize that your humor was not going over well with people, and actually causing more drama, you decided to continue trying in the same way and then blaming the mods for the backlash you got. That is the real problem I have here.even now you are still passive aggressively blaming us, and although I sympathize with your personal problems, it is ultimately your choice to take it out on the forum rather than trying to improve your situation in another way.I hope to see you back here once your personal situation has improved, I always thought it was cool to have someone from Trinidad on the forum as you don't here about that country very much where I live.

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Re: I'm Sorry

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@DanMy post was referring to his assertion that the mods were after him specifically, not about his account problem. it wasn't the first time he has said something like that recently, and I'm simply tired of it, Considering that he is causing all of his own problems with the mods anyway and was already recently unbanned.I am a firm believer that as long as you can keep it pretty civil, it is sometimes necessary to be harsh with someone in order to get them to pause for a moment and take a close look at themselves.I spoke from my point of you, but it was just as much about helping the forum as it was about my own annoyance, Better to explain to someone why everybody seems to be upset with them then to leave them in the dark and wondering. this type of intervention has definitely helped me before as well.@JaidonFirst I would like to say thank you for choosing to step back for a while, I understand that can be very hard, and I appreciate it.Second of all, I should say that I am not criticizing you for trying to bring some humor to the forum, and I give you credit for trying to deal with your own bad situation using humor rather than purely anger, as so many others often do.But after you realize that your humor was not going over well with people, and actually causing more drama, you decided to continue trying in the same way and then blaming the mods for the backlash you got. That is the real problem I have here.even now you are still passive aggressively blaming us, and although I sympathize with your personal problems, it is ultimately your choice to take it out on the forum rather than trying to improve your situation in another way.I hope to see you back here once your personal situation has improved, I always thought it was cool to have someone from Trinidad on the forum as you don't here about that country very much where I live.

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Re: I'm Sorry

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@DanMy post was referring to his assertion that the mods were after him specifically, not about his account problem. it wasn't the first time he has said something like that recently, and I'm simply tired of it, Considering that he is causing all of his own problems with the mods anyway and was already recently unbanned.I am a firm believer that as long as you can keep it pretty civil, it is sometimes necessary to be harsh with someone in order to get them to pause for a moment and take a close look at themselves.I spoke from my point of you, but it was just as much about helping the forum as it was about my own annoyance, Better to explain to someone why everybody seems to be upset with them then to leave them in the dark and wondering. this type of intervention has definitely helped me before as well.JaidonFirst I would like to say thank you for choosing to step back for a while, I understand that can be very hard, and I appreciate it.Second of all, I should say that I am not criticizing you for trying to bring some humor to the forum, and I give you credit for trying to deal with your own bad situation using humor rather than purely anger, as so many others often do.But after you realize that your humor was not going over well with people, and actually causing more drama, you decided to continue trying in the same way and then blaming the mods for the backlash you got. That is the real problem I have here.even now you are still passive aggressively blaming us, and although I sympathize with your personal problems, it is ultimately your choice to take it out on the forum rather than trying to improve your situation in another way.I hope to see you back here once your personal situation has improved, I always thought it was cool to have someone from Trinidad on the forum as you don't here about that country very much where I live.

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-02-26 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Xvordan via Audiogames-reflector


  


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*yawn*. Another day, another drama. You know that the only evils here are those you guys bring. We could just stick to talking about games, developing games, and advocating for game accessibility... but nope. Someone inevitably has to start in the daily / weekly drama.This could've been settled quietly via messages to the mods, having things explained and without anyone else needing to get involved. I realize some of you are younger, and so the attention and publicity is some form of validation... but really, guys. Can't we just stop all the woe is me type topics and get back to gaming?Kai

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-02-26 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Dan_Gero via Audiogames-reflector


  


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Nocturnus, that's the problem. This community likes to kick each other down, then kick each other while they're down. A lot of people on the forum nowadays have no concern for the damage they can cause with their words, so they'll just harp on a person until they get them out of the community. I've experienced it, and I've seen it happen to people time and time again. This is the absolute trash heap this community has become. This is what has become of the forum. It's not the same forum it was back when I started out in 2012, and sadly that's the reality we'll have to get used to. No, I'm not blaming the administrators for this; in fact I feel bad for them. Every single day, they have to come on here and deal with this bullshit. They not only have to see everything negative that goes down, but they also experience it first hand because a few vocal community members took it upon themselves to give the admin team hell for every little decision they make, one member of which is seeing a long ban sentence. A lot of the community is so fucking ungrateful for the things the admins are trying to do that it's not even funny. Oh, and don't even get me started on all the unauthorized forks. Now speaking to the rest of the community: do you people even see what you've done? Some of you think this place is so bad, but have you ever stopped just for 1 second and taken that time to see that maybe, just maybe, you're part of the bigger problem. At the end of the day, each and every one of you are responsible for what this forum becomes. When we've got chaos and flames left and right and this forum is no longer a friendly place to socialize, you can try to blame the admin team for your actions, but at the end of the day you have nobody else to blame other than yourselves.

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-02-26 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Nocturnus via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: I'm Sorry

Ya know, I really cannot understand how this guy can keep his head up at all when he gets so much freaking thwack and backsass from the community.  Alright, so he's screwed up a few different times, perhaps for different reasons... I really don't know as I don't go about trying to keep up with everyone's ban history as some of you do, but even when he trys to be funny the backlash bandwagon goes into overdrive and then some.For every mistake I've not made out here I could be highly critical of the forum as a whole.  Instead I use the rest of life to teach me how to deal with the rest of you, where as there are enough of you out here who just seem to use the rest of us as punchingbags when your day didn't go well or someone rejected your game from ever becoming a possible candidacy for the database?  I just, don't know.  I mean, just a little while ago I saw a topic about ultrapower again, which we all know has been an issue for years now, but people still go on about it like it's icecream!and Jaidon?  No, I'm not letting you off the hook that easy either.  Yes, I side with you in the sense that people can be harsh and seem to misunderstand what you're trying to do, but I do believe you should have come clean about these accounts awhile back.  Why you did it this way strikes me as odd, but I'd like to think you had a really good reason.  I'm sorry to see you running away, and I resent the fact that you lumped me in with the everbody is annoyed at Jaidon crowd, since I'm not one of those people.  At present I'm disappointed with your actions because there are days when you seem to have a pretty good grasp on things and a sense of respect for others around you, while there are days like today when you lash out yourself.While you didn't go as bad as haily when she created that collossal crapchute of a topic where she threw the finger at the majority of the community you would do well to learn from the experience all the same.  I don't know what happened to you today, but whatever it was, do your best to try and let it go!

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Re: I'm Sorry

2020-02-26 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Jaseoffire via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: I'm Sorry

You know, I believe at one time, alts weren't exactly illegal. Using them to circumvent bans I think was, but usually, it was up to, for lack of a better term, "gentleman's rules" that you wouldn't. Not to justify alts created now, nor to justify keeping those alts around after being discovered, but that may mean that there may be alts for more users than even the users themselves may realize. That being said, it seems that most worked out in the end. I hope things get better for you, Jaidon. It's never fun when life goes to crap.

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Re: I'm sorry, again

2020-02-15 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : rory-games via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: I'm sorry, again

it's dead. archives are located on http://grossgang.com

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Re: I'm sorry, again

2020-02-15 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Zarvox via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: I'm sorry, again

braillenoteusers.info

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Re: I'm sorry, again

2020-02-15 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : NevEd via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: I'm sorry, again

Does anyone actually remember the website I may bet alking about where I downloaded that text game pack? I think it was called braillenote apex library or something, I looked through my old backup of my Apex to find the shortcut but couldn't. It had all kinds of stuff, user tips, windows sounds to be used on the apex, etc.. I still have all the games and if anyone's interested just send me a PM, I just wanna see the website again, but it's probably lost now.

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Re: I'm sorry, again

2020-02-15 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Rastislav Kiss via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: I'm sorry, again

@1: I don't care. Did you kill someone? I guess no. Did you steal something? I guess no. Did you harm someone? Well we sure make mistakes from time to time, but there is just a little harm, that you could do wia forum.Did you spam here? Well, you probably made few pointless topics, but along tons of topics in the General room that don't interest me a bit, your few good bye topics are really nothing.So come on, don't care about others and have some fun. That's why this forum even exists, isn't it? Btw, what's wrong with the terminal games anyway? As long as your games are funny and interesting, it doesn't matter if they are terminal games or hypermodern vr toys. Just remember the amount of superboring bgt games, that we've seen in last few years, and you'll get, what I mean.Japanese Tamagochi was a small pocket game, barely a toy compared to modern games, yet people all around the world were totally crazy about it. I heard that even important business meetings had breaks, when managers of big international companies needed to feed their little electronic pets.And what about the crazy bird, flying on a track, avoiding various obstacles? Even Atari from previous century had more complex games, but it was thisone, that kept people's attention for many, many and again many hours just few years ago.Rumors say, that just from single banner on start and end of the game, its developer was earning 5 dollars per day!Of course it wouldn't be any harm if you learn how to make a game with ui, it isn't really that hard. But don't forget that it isn't the fancy window, what makes your game a good game.Best regardsRastislav

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Re: I'm sorry, again

2020-02-15 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Rastislav Kiss via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: I'm sorry, again

@1: I don't care. Did you kill someone? I guess no. Did you steal something? I guess no. Did you harm someone? Well we sure make mistakes from time to time, but there is just a little harm, that you could do wia forum.Did you spam here? Well, you probably made few pointless topics, but along tons of topics in the General room that don't interest me a bit, your few good bye topics are really nothing.So come on, don't care about others and have some fun. That's why this forum even exists, isn't it? Btw, what's wrong with the terminal games anyway? As long as your games are funny and interesting, it doesn't matter if they are terminal games or hypermodern vr toys. Just remember the amount of superboring bgt games, that we've seen in last few years, and you'll get, what I mean.Japanese Tamagochi was a small pocket game, barely a toy compared to modern games, yet people all around the world were totally crazy about it. I heard that even important business meetings had breaks, when managers of big international companies needed to feed their little electronic pets.And what about the crazy bird, flying on a track, avoiding various obstacles? Even Atari from previous century had more complex games, but it was thisone, that kept people's attention for many, many and again many hours just few years ago.Rumors say, that just from single banner on start and end of the game, its developer was earning 5 dollars per day!Of course it wouldn't be any harm if you learn how to make a game with ui, it isn't really that hard. But don't forget that it isn't the fancy window, which makes your game a good game.Best regardsRastislav

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Re: I'm sorry, again

2020-02-15 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Rastislav Kiss via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: I'm sorry, again

@1: I don't care. Did you kill someone? I guess no. Did you steal something? I guess no. Did you harm someone? Well we sure make mistakes from time to time, but there is just a little harm, that you could do wia forum.Did you spam here? Well, you probably made few pointless topics, but along tons of topics in the General room that don't interest me a bit, your few good bye topics are really nothing.So come on, don't care about others and have some fun. That's why this forum even exists, isn't it? Btw, what's wrong with the terminal games anyway? As long as your games are funny and interesting, it doesn't matter if they are terminal games or hypermodern vr toys. Just remember the amount of superboring bgt games, that we've seen in last few years, and you'll get, what I mean.Japanese Tamagochi was a small pocket game, barely a toy compared to modern games, yet people all around the world were totally crazy about it. I heard that even important business meetings had breaks, when managers of big international companies needed to feed their little electronic pets.And what about the crazy bird, flying on a track, avoiding various obstacles? Even Atari from previous century had more complex games, but it was thisone, that kept people's attention for many, many and again many hours just few years ago.Rumors said, that just from single banner on start and end of the game, its developer was earning 5 dollars per day!Of course it wouldn't be any harm if you learn how to make a game with ui, it isn't really that hard. But don't forget that it isn't the fancy window, which makes your game a good game.Best regardsRastislav

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Re: I'm sorry, again

2020-02-15 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : rory-games via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: I'm sorry, again

wcastle.z5 anyone?

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Re: I'm sorry, again

2020-02-15 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : NevEd via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: I'm sorry, again

Interesting, well I guess we all gotta start somewhere, rite? lol. I remember before I was really on the internet much, back in 09 and alittle bit after that when I got my braillenote MMpower, I used to play the IF games all the time. Now I can't really get engrossed in them much anymore but I remember downloading a massive collection of them and I used to play all kinds of shit in class. I played a game called "blow job drifter" in class once, I still passed. haha

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Re: I'm sorry, again

2020-02-15 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : rory-games via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: I'm sorry, again

Terminal games are games played in the command line. I believe the reason they are hated upon by so many is that, thanks to bgt, terminal games have been practically non existant for about 8 years. The one exception to that is Warsim, although I've occasionally found more -- but they're usually from before 2010.And then, just because, a UI game is a game based around a window with buttons, lists, combo boxes, checkboxes, radio buttons, and other such things to create a game. They're still reasonably acceptable here, from what I've seen, although usually put in games as a part of the game, rather than the whole game.And then your standard audio game is just a bare window, which handles keyboard input and usually not much else.

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Re: I'm sorry, again

2020-02-15 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : NevEd via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: I'm sorry, again

@1 Just curious, what are terminal games?

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Re: I'm sorry, again

2020-02-15 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : NevEd via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: I'm sorry, again

I would cut the kid a bit of slack, I was a complete dumbass at 12. I don't know what he's dealing with but at 12 I was starting to lose my hearing and just trying to figure shit out, I acted out quite a bit. I didn't know how or what to direct my anger at. Honestly I wouldn't even comment on topics like this, just move along, and calling his apologies half-assed is definitely not gonna help, you're not speaking to a grown man.Might sound stupid to the rest of you but at least he's capable of coherently expressing himself, I don't think he's all bad.

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Re: I'm sorry, again

2020-02-15 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Vulcan_Raven via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: I'm sorry, again

This is your umpteenth topic on appologizing.  You have done it so much that your words have become empty.  Words of appologies are great if they actually mean something and I am sure I am not the only one who is sick of seeing topics of a similar nature from you pop-up over and over.  You are very young, I get that, but you have to learn the lesson that words are a powerful thing, and tool.  Practice what you preach, mean what you say, don't just preach and say.

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Re: I'm sorry, again

2020-02-15 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Jaidon Of the Caribbean via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: I'm sorry, again

Rory. You're 2 years younger than me?

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Re: I'm sorry, again

2020-02-15 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : manamon_player via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: I'm sorry, again

at1take a breth, mix up you're skils, and make whatever you like! don't care who says whatbe who you are, make what you want, and what you cangood luck

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Re: I'm sorry, again

2020-02-15 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : rory-games via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: I'm sorry, again

fine, I may as well tell everyone: 12

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Re: I'm sorry, again

2020-02-14 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : NevEd via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: I'm sorry, again

@1 Out of curiosity, how old are you? I find there are a lot of people on here that are from way shittier backgrounds than me (middle class northeastern United States), that are also younger.. Not taking your insecurities/anger out on those who have nothing to do with it is something you gotta grow up to get, I was a complete dick when I was younger. But we still get angry and lash out sometimes, life ain't easy

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Re: I'm sorry, again

2020-02-14 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : defender via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: I'm sorry, again

A half assed apology full of excuses is not what anyone needs, you need to leave like you said you would in the first place and find something else more productive to do.I think we both know that you're just going to do the same thing again in a couple months or so, maybe sooner, why not just avoid the whole problem in the first place?You are too emotionally unstable to do this kind of thing right now. Come back in a couple years or something if things have gotten better, until then, stay far away for your own sake as well as ours.I feel for you, but I'm also not going to put up with this, Mason was bad enough.

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Re: I'm sorry, again

2020-02-14 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Jaidon Of the Caribbean via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: I'm sorry, again

Rory, I feel your pain with the family thing. My older siblings are always arguing, and I always have to be the mediator. Its hard to chose. Its hard to stay neutral, but do you see me posting, I'm Leaving topics and like, i'm donedonedonedonedonedonedonedonedonedonedonedonedonedonedonedonedonedonedonedonedonedonedonedonedone? Nope. You have to know how to balance your emotions. I know that may be tuff at first, especially in your culture, but you have to take a break. Try not to hurt anyone or yourself. If you want someone to talk to, I'm open. I may seem like an idiot wwhen it comes to everything else, but I have loads of experience. Just today I was helping out a friend who was backstabbed by 2 of his bestfriends along with his crush.So, I hope you can find what works for you, and stay posotive, please?

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I'm sorry, again

2020-02-14 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : rory-games via Audiogames-reflector


  


I'm sorry, again

Well I guess this is my apology. I know it's much too late, and I'm not going to try and make justifications for any of the stuff I did -- I've been in a pretty bad place recently, havn't been thinking very straight and generally havn't appreciated this forum. It's grown over the years to one of the largest communities of blind people who are from all over the world, and I admire it for that. I guess some of this stuff just, pushed me over the edge, and I can safely say all those leaving topics at the time I did think were real. I can also say I tried to keep away for longer, because I know people would be pissed at me if I just came back like that, just "oh hello, I know I was a dick in the past, but let's all forget about it and have a mighty old time!"  Because there's times for that sort of reappearance, but I understand now that this wasn't one of those times.So yeah, I'm going to try and make something better for yall, and no it won't be a terminal game. Just one thing though, please stop bashing me for making terminal games.. it's all I knew how to make at the time and I can assure you, since USNB, my skills have advanced quite a decent amount.I know there'll be mixed opinions about this - some people may have prefered for me not to make this topic at all, but I think it's good to apologize, even if I've done it time and time over again in the past and not stuck to what I said -- in fact, I can safely say that this will probably happen one more time or two in the future, but I'll accept that and try to stay clear for as long as I can.I've just had some pretty bad itmes recently, family life at home is, well, far from the best, and that's clouded my judgement and made me make rash decisions that I regret even minutes later. So yeah, I don't really mind if you don't forgive me because I've done stuff that some people may not feel forgiving for, but please try, and I'll try, and then perhaps something will come good out of it.

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-14 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : pranam via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: i'm sorry

Hey hey!Why not constant madness? No one posted that?

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-14 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : pranam via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: i'm sorry

Hey hey!Why not constant madness? No one posted that?

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-13 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : AlirezaNosrati via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: i'm sorry

no! that's just a cock monster ripoff!

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-13 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : aaron77 via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: i'm sorry

COOKIE MONSTER!Obviously!

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-13 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : deadPixel via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: i'm sorry

Concentrated matter. Specifically, concentrated dark matter.

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-13 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Thatguy via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: i'm sorry

chaos master Chronic Murder

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-13 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Nocturnus via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: i'm sorry

Chaotic malevolence!

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-13 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : claudiogaranzini via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: i'm sorry

chocolate Monster

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-12 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : defender via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: i'm sorry

crushed mice

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-12 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Thatguy via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: i'm sorry

clergyman

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-12 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : deadPixel via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: i'm sorry

Compact Mercedes!

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-12 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Nocturnus via Audiogames-reflector


  


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Clonemonkey!

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-12 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : deadPixel via Audiogames-reflector


  


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Let's leave Cm off at curium. Forget clones when you have plenty of curium.

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-11 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : defender via Audiogames-reflector


  


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CM (city mass) was a crappy and short lived ultrapower spinoff using unlicensed sourcecode.He wanted the sounds from it for, some reason?

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-11 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Nocturnus via Audiogames-reflector


  


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chessmaster!CyanogenMod!Condition monitoring!Construction morphology!Chief minister!Contract manufacturer!And a favorite for all classic JFW users, configuration manager, because why not!

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-11 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : hacker via Audiogames-reflector


  


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The true, real, unalterably original meaning of CM: cannon muncher

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-11 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : mazen via Audiogames-reflector


  


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Constant Magnets?Okay that's random

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-11 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : electro via Audiogames-reflector


  


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WowoWowoWow! my techno, whas it? CM is a BTB/DM/BC clone, but I don't want to clone myself and have a ton of me going to destroy my real person... OK no X.D.

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-10 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : AlirezaNosrati via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: i'm sorry

cock monster is the new game that i'm developing, it's a ripoff from stw where you can sex in that game. NVM i can't program

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-10 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Jonnyboy1991 via Audiogames-reflector


  


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CM stands for cock maker.

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-10 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : simter via Audiogames-reflector


  


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what happened on cm? I really don't know what you are talking about

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-10 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Nocturnus via Audiogames-reflector


  


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CM, actually means centimetre, most everywhere, believe it or not.So, I'm about, a centimetre sorry.According to Nightshade, CM should and, in some cases does, stand for... Wait for it... Cervical mucus!

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-10 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : adel . spence via Audiogames-reflector


  


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no. i'm not going to use the sounds in any of my stuff.thx

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-10 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Guitarman via Audiogames-reflector


  


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I love this topic! I didn't think it would interest me, but I'm getting good laughs out of this, thanks guys!!

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-10 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : AlirezaNosrati via Audiogames-reflector


  


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CM, means cock monster.

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-10 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Nocturnus via Audiogames-reflector


  


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rofl Yeah, same here.  I like the idea of cm standing for something else.Certified madman, or woman.Cake mix!Coffee mug!Cocky moron!Yeah, now I'm the one who's sorry!

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-10 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : G-Rad via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: i'm sorry

You stole my pony?CM Punk?

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-10 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Nocturnus via Audiogames-reflector


  


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Oh, ah!  I can see why that would be somewhat controversial.

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-10 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : redfox via Audiogames-reflector


  


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lmao did you kill my clayman!hahahah, but seriously, if your not planning on using the city mass sounds in anything that benefits you financially... I can try and get em for ya, maybe?No he's not talking about your clayman, he's talking about city mass, a btb clone, an up clone, cloned by dm, cloned by cb, cloned by mc or whatever that new one is.

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-10 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Nocturnus via Audiogames-reflector


  


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Yes, I forgive you for Cm, and for the CM, and CM international, and CM encorporated, and CM technologies, and CM transmissions, and CM®.  What I will not forgive you for, is the chrisis mode you've put us all in by trying to figure out what CM actually did, or does, or is, or has, or wants, or needs, or where it is, or how it came to be, or anything else associated with it, really.  For all I know, CM could refer to my clay man alias on Alter Aeon, in which case, I suppose we could talk about it... :d

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-10 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Mitch via Audiogames-reflector


  


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You took my command module? Dang it!  Being serious, what is cm? I'm not enlightened, and I don't know what you are talking about.

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-10 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : pranam via Audiogames-reflector


  


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Yeah, you should be, sorry about it. Glad that you took that lesson and just posted a topic on it, .

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-10 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : adel . spence via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: i'm sorry

the thing about cm.

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-10 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : simter via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: i'm sorry

yeahr reall y what happened? I also really don't know.

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-10 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : AlirezaNosrati via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: i'm sorry

so you were that person who deleted my  collection of 69 TB porn? i hate you!

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-09 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Guitarman via Audiogames-reflector


  


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Hi.Well if your sorry at least let us know what you did. It would be easier to forgive you if you told us what happened.If you'd like, I could blame and ridicule you for everything that goes wrong in this forum or in my life rofl! Then you can say sorry a lot.But seriously, it's nice of you to want to apologize, just explain yourself better next time.

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-09 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : UltraLeetJ via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: i'm sorry

was this on a topic you had posted about sounds or something, everything probably happened too fast

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Re: i'm sorry

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Re: i'm sorry

okay? since i don't know what you did?

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Re: i'm sorry

2019-01-09 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Nocturnus via Audiogames-reflector


  


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Oh, that was you, then?  I wondered who stole my quintessential massive double half pounder bacon sausage chicken tender Guacamole turkey pork bologna burger!Seriously, if I'm gonna forgive you for something, I'd like to know what for.  :d

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i'm sorry

2019-01-09 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : adel . spence via Audiogames-reflector


  


i'm sorry

please forgive me. I know what I did was stupid, and i'm sorry...

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