Re: WeWalk?
2019-09-25
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Re: WeWalk? I believe, its an attachment to your cane. Its not a all out smart cane. Its a cane smartifier. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464200/#p464200 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: WeWalk?
Re: WeWalk? My dad made a sonar cane with like $30 of stuff from, like, Biglots or something, like 10-15 years ago, I forget precisely when. Making one that's good enough to be worth using is another matter.Mostly, two issues I have are: messing with the weight and balance of the cane, and how you get the information and whether or not that clashes with usual information channels. Headphones, hoods, etc obstruct my senses enough as is, but those are usually optional and can be worked with. Headphones with constant noise? Well, I haven't tried using the vOICe on the street, and I'd expect that to be comparable to most smartcanes in terms of information, if not better. Haptics? How's that work? Does it mess with how you use the cane at all?Give me glasses with vibrators in them, have them vibrate based on how far away the obstacle is. So instead of glasses, it's more like a Sonar ... crown? Halo? Tiara? Headband? Bandana? Helmet? Hat? ... Make it like the Burger King Crown, and call it the Echo King, or something like that. Sure, it'd look completely ridiculous, but the awesome kind of ridiculous. More importantly, it doesn't mess with normal cane use, and only obstructs normal acoustics about as much as normal headgear. Though, minimizing the acoustic obstruction would be real nice, too. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464193/#p464193 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: WeWalk?
2019-09-24
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Jaidon Of the Caribbean via Audiogames-reflector
Re: WeWalk? A guy in Trinidad tried to produce something like this a while ago. He didnt get funding. He is still developing it by himself and his friend. It is basically like the WeWalk. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464045/#p464045 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: WeWalk?
Re: WeWalk? From what I have understood, this is something you attach to the handle of your cane, may be someone sighted fixes me if i'm wrong.This location is a great place, as it almost never gets hurt. I'm walking about 1,5 km to my school and another 1,5 km back to my home every day (excluding weekends of course). There were situations where i was very close to fall, there was one situation where I have really fallen down ironically on a place where I knew that this could happen, and there were situations when I have almost broken my cane under standing cars. But the cane's handle never get hurt, whatever stupidity I had managed to do.So from my experience only things this device would face are vibrations from cane hits and water, from wet hands, rain, or sweat.Also when an external keyboard for mobile phones for blind was introduced, I don't remember the name, for about 500 dollars, the reason of that price was, or at least one of local voluntary sellers have stated it, that blind people can request it from their state and it will pay it for them regardless of price, so having a higher price than minimal necessary can help in further development without users noticing the difference as they don't pay for it themselves.I don't know what is the situation in other parts of the world, but in Slovakia, this makes a sense. If you need something to compensate your disability, the state will pay it for you. Thus many of blind people here get things like Jaws licences, expensive laptops, mobile phones, braille displays, or even white canes completely free or just for minimal price.And a smart cane shouldn't be problem as well, if you can explain, what it is good for, although they perhaps won't give you two for a year like they do with normal canes I guess. But here is great the concept of attaching the device, so if you break your cane, you can just exchange them and continue using the smart cane, what would not be the case, if it was one product.i don't state now that overpricing is good or bad. I'm just saying, that from economical point of view, it makes a sense.Another thing is marketing, if they have something that really works, but that I have mentioned already in previous posts.Best regardsRastislav URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464038/#p464038 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: WeWalk?
Re: WeWalk? From what I have understood, this is something you attach to the handle of your cane, may be someone sighted fixes me if i'm wrong.This location is a great place, as it almost never gets hurt. I'm walking about 1,5 km to my school and another 1,5 km back to my home every day (excluding weekends of course). There were situations where i was very close to fall, there was one situation where I have really fallen down ironically on a place where I knew that this could happen, and there were situations when I have almost broken my cane under standing cars. But the cane's handle never get hurt, whatever stupidity I had managed to do.So from my experience only things this device would face are vibrations from cane hits and water, from wet hands, rain, or sweat.Also when an external keyboard for mobile phones for blind was introduced, I don't remember the name, for about 500 dollars, the reason of that price was, or at least one of local voluntary sellers have stated it, that blind people can request it from their state and it will pay it for them regardless of price, so having a higher price than minimal necessary can help in further development without users noticing the difference as they don't pay for it themselves.I don't know what is the situation in other parts of the world, but in Slovakia, this makes a sense. If you need something to compensate your disability, the state will pay it for you. Thus many of blind people here get things like Jaws licences, expensive laptops, mobile phones, braille displays, or even white canes completely free or just for minimal price.And a smart cane shouldn't be problem as well, if you can explain, what it is good for, although they perhaps won't give you two for a year like they do with normal canes I guess. But here is great the concept of attaching the device, so if you break your cane, you can just exchange them and continue using the smart cane, what would not be the case, if it was one product.i don't state now that overpricing is good or bad. I'm just saying, that from ekonomical point of view, it makes a sense.Another thing is marketing, if they have something that really works, but that I have mentioned already in previous posts.Best regardsRastislav URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464038/#p464038 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: WeWalk?
Re: WeWalk? as I understand it, the technological part of the thing is present only in the cable, being possible to even remove it and put in another cane URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464031/#p464031 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: WeWalk?
Re: WeWalk? $500 for a cane with electronic components that could easily be broken? Nah... I'm good. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/463988/#p463988 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: WeWalk?
2019-09-24
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Jaidon Of the Caribbean via Audiogames-reflector
Re: WeWalk? Where can I get info about this? If its 500 U S for this, its over priced. I mean, i could get my dad to make a nice cane for me for free, and, get my J6 Samsung to help me out and it still would come out less. Although, it sure would be more practical just to use the stick. And it would be less annoying when the teachers nag me about the cane. Acting as if the cane can see if a car is coming. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/463982/#p463982 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: WeWalk?
Re: WeWalk? This is one of those things that sounds good but isn't practical due to its relatively high price tag and the small market. Add to that the small companies that seem to be making these types of products have little funding, so if a product is damaged in shipping, getting a replacement is either difficult or impossible. People's hearts are in the right place but they are obviously not aware of the fact that most blind people are on fixed incomes and use canes to avoid hitting things. This means that the cane hits things, sometimes quite hard. These delicate components aren't built to stand up to that abuse, thus more replacements necessary and more loss of money to the companies. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/463973/#p463973 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: WeWalk?
Re: WeWalk? @5: in my case the cap solution doesn't work. Even if the obstacle is in way of the peak, what is not necessarily the case, it can go under or above it, only effect it has is that the cap falls down and I bang my head into the obstacle.It works only on tiny branches, where it is not required, as my head do the job with the same quality. But for strong branches, for example when tree grows to the street directly from the ground i.e. you are likely to face one of its root branches, there is no chance.I don't know if it is because of my speed or my head's shape, but anyway, I would trust the sonar a bit more.However as i said before, I would need to see it in practice, if it really works like I imagine it.As for Google maps, here I think it is rather a confort improvement than a new invention. Arm with the cane is always usable just from small part for things other than manipulating with the cane, what is quite a deal when you consider that it's normally your preferred hand, which performs those operations. Thus giving another functionality under it can make the whole system more efficient and confortable, again in theory.Or in short, I am always more likely to use something I already hold in my hand rather than messing with whole other device.Sighted people don't need anything to walk, blind people need at least the white cane and mobile phone eventually, if they don't know the surface. If the white cane and mobile phone can be joined into one thing, we will need to care about just one thing, which is already in use, instead of two, where the secondone is grabbed just from time to time. Of course only if it works like it's described.That's at least my personal opinion, I would definitely like to see it in action though. The price even high is not important for me, if the device really helps at least bit.Best regardsRastislav URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/463641/#p463641 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: WeWalk?
Re: WeWalk? Meh. I don't really think I'd ever need one, and it just seems like a reinvention of the wheel especially because it contains google maps (I think?) which I can get on my phone for free. As far as avoiding tree limbs and other things in my path at head level, it's as simple as wearing a baseball cap so the bill hits them first instead of my face. Maybe I'm wrong, but there really doesn't seem to be much use for this product, what with nearby explorer being free now and the TARC app being accessible enough for me to catch a bus with. Am I missing something here? What would justify a 500 dollar price point when apps I download are free? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/463550/#p463550 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: WeWalk?
Re: WeWalk? All I can say is that it is much much expensive than the smart cane of assistech.I told my big sister about ths cane where it can detect obstacles through vibration even obstacles leveled to your head like branches of a tree for example and ask her to buy me one.He saw this products of we walk but I told her the product of assistech is much much less expensive but since the day she place her order online using her credit card, the smart cane that she order haven't been arrive yet and that was 4 weeks ago I think? when she order one for me?\Of course, we keep on follow upping it but still, until now, we haven't receive the smart cane yet heh. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/46/#p46 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: WeWalk?
Re: WeWalk? All I can say is that it is much much expensive than the smart cane of assistech. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/46/#p46 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: WeWalk?
Re: WeWalk? Hi there,May be my memory is kidding me, but I remember when I watched this about a year ago, I considered the price of 200 dollars quite overrated.Now when I see the current price of 500 dollars... hmm... wtf?Yeah, it's great that I don't need to wear my smartphone, so it can be prevented from being stolen, but currently WeWalk seems to be actually more expensive than my Nexus 5 in its best days.I would also be interested if the device is waterproof, what happens, when I go to toilet and use it with wet hands after washing?Beside of these questions, the concept seems very interesting. I have been thinking about an ideal solution for my head protection, as the only way i am able to detect head-level obstacles now is using my really poor echolocation, which is far better in missing obstacles than in detecting them. Having a sonar on a white cane sounds quite interesting and more elegant than wearing sonar glasses, but if it will work in practice, I have no idea.What I would definitely make use of is the compass built in the cane, to help in passing crossings. I have tried this already on my mobile phone and it worked quite well. Having it in a white cane could definitely answer on which side of the way have I landed, or better said completely prevent walking out of the crossing.So, in conclusion, this idea seems very interesting and promising in making walks more confortable for us.However until either I have an opportunity to try it myself or I get a pack of money to spend on anything, i will be hardly in a position to get one.I hope our blind organizations will soon get it and show in workshops. If it's worth it, it is the best way for authors to get attention from our community, because at least in Slovakia and Czech people are definitely not willing to pay that price for something they have never seen or never heard of anyone using it.Best regardsRastislav URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/463331/#p463331 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: WeWalk?
Re: WeWalk? I like the sound of it, and I'm considering getting one. I'd have to hear a few more demos of it though. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/463287/#p463287 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
