Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why do VU meters exceed 0dB? Programming error?

2007-05-31 Thread cliveb
pnielsen;205806 Wrote: No. That's not right. In an old analog device, 0dB usually represents a threshold value of some sort. Usually this value is set for the level when distortion reaches a certain treshold value. Thus, in analog electronics 0dB does not represent the maximum possible

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why do VU meters exceed 0dB? Programming error?

2007-05-31 Thread adamslim
The volume goes up to 11 - how wouldn't the VU go above 0dB? Otherwise it wouldn't go as LOUD -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists'

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why do VU meters exceed 0dB? Programming error?

2007-05-31 Thread Cuthbert
blessingx;205802 Wrote: Please don't fix every analog 'problem' in the digital world. ;) Absolutely agree. Looks good and makes no difference to the sound. (as far as I'm concerned.) :) -- Cuthbert Cuthbert's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why do VU meters exceed 0dB? Programming error?

2007-05-31 Thread James_B
Cuthbert;205908 Wrote: Absolutely agree. Looks good and makes no difference to the sound. (as far as I'm concerned.) :) Ditto. They are great as they are! -- James_B James_B's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FS or trade: wired SB3 for wireless SB3

2007-05-31 Thread Pale Blue Ego
Or, just get a pair of homeplug network adapters. These create a wired connection using your building's existing electrical wiring. Just plug one in near your router, and the other near the Squeezebox. A pair of them costs about $80. -- Pale Blue Ego

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why do VU meters exceed 0dB? Programming error?

2007-05-31 Thread Eric Seaberg
I was going to respond, but cliveb nailed it... the VU meter relates to output voltage of the attached machine where 0VU = +4dBm @ 600-ohms (.775 volts). Most PRO analog gear was capable of producing an output of +24dBm before clipping, giving you 20dB of theoretical headroom. This is, pretty

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will this Elpac Power Supply Work?

2007-05-31 Thread PhyreWyre
After reading through all these forums (wow, is there a ton of stuff!) I think I'm gonna skip the linear power supply and buy a Benchmark DAC-1 and connect via optical. Not too sure about the posts about skipping the preamp and connecting directly to the power amp but I'll give it a shot.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz

2007-05-31 Thread tonyptony
Pat Farrell;205844 Wrote: Well, you should not go completely crazy. With EQ (not that Inquz is likely to do this) you can pump up either end past what the amp or speakers can handle, and with speakers that can't do it, say go loud way up high, you can keep adding gain until you see smoke

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FS or trade: wired SB3 for wireless SB3

2007-05-31 Thread taloyd
I think I might just go this route. It seems trying to trade or purchase/sell to get a wireless for my wired SB3 is going to cost just as much... Also the Homeplug concept can be used for a lot of things... thanks, -Tal -- taloyd

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FS or trade: wired SB3 for wireless SB3

2007-05-31 Thread Pale Blue Ego
I've got 2 SB3s on homeplug connections and the technology works flawlessly. Even the original specification, which is 14mbps, is plenty for uncompressed audio. I also like the idea that, unlike a wired ethernet connection, I can easily move the SB3s to any other room, or even outdoors. Also

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why do VU meters exceed 0dB? Programming error?

2007-05-31 Thread pnielsen
Ron F.;205811 Wrote: I could be incorrect, but I believe that 0 VU represents -20 dBFS or 20 dB below full scale. Ron, you nailed it! That's exactly what it is. The VU scale is not a dB scale. It looks like the transporter may be using 0dB = -10dBFS.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz

2007-05-31 Thread tonyptony
Thanks for clarifying, Phil. I guess I will look at the actual correction curves tonight to see which have really extreme correction values associated with them. If I understand the way Inguz works, they might still be usable if I take advantage of the Gain capability to reduce the overall gain.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why do VU meters exceed 0dB? Programming error?

2007-05-31 Thread Ron F .
pnielsen, I generated some 1 kHz tones using Audacity at various levels and exported them as FLAC files (44.1kHz-16bit.) Files were then streamed to Soft Squeeze, results: 0.1 full scale resulted in -9 VU 0.2 full scale resulted in -6 VU 0.4 full scale resulted in -2 VU 0.5 full scale

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help me spend my money!

2007-05-31 Thread Hypnotoad
Hi, I'm getting a better paying job and want to waste my money on audio equipment! Help me. I plan to rip all of my CDs, put them on an external hard drive and get a Transporter (which I would operate from my MacBook Pro). So far, so good, I hope. I'm then thinking about using the Transporter

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help me spend my money!

2007-05-31 Thread slimkid
Hypnotoad;206025 Wrote: Hi, I'm getting a better paying job and want to waste my money on audio equipment! Help me. I plan to rip all of my CDs, put them on an external hard drive and get a Transporter (which I would operate from my MacBook Pro). So far, so good, I hope. I'm then

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help me spend my money!

2007-05-31 Thread Hypnotoad
Thanks for the fast response. I've been busy finsihing my dissertation. Researching audio has been a late-night / early-morning decompression thing. I have read a lot but haven't done much auditioning. I do plan to do some before I lay down the big bucks. So I appreciate any recommendations for

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] on recording and the audibility of polarity reversal

2007-05-31 Thread S-Man
I think I might have prompted this thread by my claim in the V15 SW thread that I can hear a difference in absolute phase. To be honest, even though I believe I can hear a difference, I find it difficult to decide which I prefer using my current speakers. I believe this is because they are ported

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help me spend my money!

2007-05-31 Thread tomjtx
I would recommend you get an amp that is balanced. I found Transporter to sound better with balanced outs (XLR) Those speakers get rave reviews. But you will get best results if you listen to a lot of high end gear and develop an idea of what pleases you the most. Don't let an audio

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why do VU meters exceed 0dB? Programming error?

2007-05-31 Thread pnielsen
Ron, Thanks for doing that test... The meters are obviously using a weighed value of some sort. Anyway, what it's doing is irrelevant. It LOOKS good, and since the unit is VUs it's perfectly okay. (I must have had a total brain fart or someting when I started the thread in the belief that it

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Differences in SQ for different FW

2007-05-31 Thread SoftwireEngineer
Probably..the firmware makes a difference. But I feel the following will make much more of a difference - 1. Wired vs Wireless (or with wireless, better connectivity using a good router etc) 2. Streaming WAV to the SB3 (I recently did this flac-to-wav and can notice a good amount of difference)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why do VU meters exceed 0dB? Programming error?

2007-05-31 Thread James_B
Vintage Cdc3500 Stereo Cassette Deck from 1976... for illustrations purposes really but i might consider a trade for your transporter.. ;) +---+ |Filename: Classic VU.JPG | |Download:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Small room, small footprint

2007-05-31 Thread DynamicalSystem
I'm currently talking to Hexateq about creating a 2 channel, flush-mount, auto-sensing D class amp that fits into the wall. The idea is that it hooks to a set of ceiling speakers and power at the back, with RCA on the front for connecting the SB3 up to. No power switch, no LEDs. At the moment

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why do VU meters exceed 0dB? Programming error?

2007-05-31 Thread Timothy Stockman
As has been pointed out, there are many conflicting standards for audio metering. One major issue is: just what are you expecting to see? Do you want an indication of loudness (maybe some type of average level) or are you interested in peaks? Or maybe some (hopefully useful) combination or

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz

2007-05-31 Thread tonyptony
God I love to fool with this stuff! For today's experiment, I have a graph showing my room Impulse Response (blue) the correction filter (red) and the resulting output via the Test_Convolution simulation (puke brown). If we look at the 40Hz point it seems like the correction filter is boosting

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help me spend my money!

2007-05-31 Thread mswlogo
You'll get as many opinions as there are members here. My opinion is read this paper then go demo a pair in your price range. http://www.meridian-audio.com/w_paper/DSP_speakers_scr.pdf They range from $5000.00/pr (that includes amps and DACs) to $54,000.00/pr. Oh yeah, don't waste money on

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3+ External DAC or Transporter...

2007-05-31 Thread linuxtx
Okay... Looking to update my system a bit. At this point it is a Squeezebox 3 going into a Musical Fidelity A5 integrated (on its way). I would really like to upgrade the Squeezebox 3, but I am curious... Squeezebox 3 - Musical Fidelity X-DAC V8 (Tube/SS) - MF A5 integrated. or Transporter -