a side by side comparison of redbook DSD, with some quite valid
obsrvations IMO, especially the conclusion :)
http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2013/04/auralic-vega-dsd-review/
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SoftwireEngineer wrote:
Right, I guess I am having trouble finding that certain point :-)
Sorry, as always I find myself as the 'middle-of-the-road' person, say
compared to you and jh ...
I am now listening to my Touch in a wired setup.. (wifi disabled) the
extender reporting 65% wifi
SoftwireEngineer wrote:
...I did not expect this change before going in.
I've always been puzzled by statements like the one above which clearly
imply that, on those rare occasions when a subjectivist admits that
their perception might have been influenced by their own mind rather
than
ralphpnj wrote:
My response is to ask you a question: why is it that only in the field
of digital audio are two digitally identical data streams, by which I
mean two data streams that contain the exact same digital data being
transmitted or sourced slightly differently, e.g. wifi versus
mlsstl wrote:
I've always been puzzled by statements like the one above which clearly
imply that, on those rare occasions when a subjectivist admits that
their perception might have been influenced by their own mind rather
than only outside technical factors, that said influence is limited
mlsstl wrote:
I've always been puzzled by statements like the one above which clearly
imply that, on those rare occasions when a subjectivist admits that
their perception might have been influenced by their own mind rather
than only outside technical factors, that said influence is limited
I agree with those points about psychology.
Of course it still leaves us with the issue of deciding whether X is
better than Y.
If X and Y are line level equipment I use measurement data. Full stop.
The other issue is X AUDIBLY better than Y. This can only be answered
reliably by blind
ralphpnj wrote:
...
Can someone, anyone please explain what it is about digital audio data
that gives it this totally unique property.
This is well-known . The clock is also derived from the SPDIF interface.
Ethernet cables and USB cables in async mode will not cause any
problems, unless the
To someone else's place ? Totally unfamiliar acoustics , there is no
point trying to discern finer points .
I have moved a lot , it is quite surprising emotionally how different
the same hifi sounds in a new place it takes about 2 weeks to
acclimatise IMO . But logically it is no surprise it's
SoftwireEngineer wrote:
Let me ask, if you go to somebody else's place, can you tell that system
is better or worse than yours ? If something is better than yours, what
was different in it ?
The one person I know who has a better, i.e. more expensive, audio
system than I have has his system
ralphpnj wrote:
Another point worth mentioning is that my friend is always upgrading
something or other on his system and then declaring that the upgrade
makes a night and day difference and of course when I finally get to
hear his new and vastly improved system it sound just like it did
Wombat wrote:
That must be this 'midddle-of-the-road' thing. Still i don´t get this
exatly. Is being the 'middle' of a clown and a subjectivist maybe a
jerk? I really don´t know.
Not sure what to make of your comment.
However, when it comes to my preferences, I hear what I hear and like
darrenyeats wrote:
I've had similar experiences.
Darren
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I concur , but from the other end , in my audiophool days I could build
a common expectation bias with a friend :)
If you search this forum I have explained in detail hat I was on the
other
mlsstl wrote:
Not sure what to make of your comment.
However, when it comes to my preferences, I hear what I hear and like
what I like. I don't spend time trying to pretend that my perception
yields some universal truth that deems others inferior if they don't
hear the same thing. And I
mlsstl wrote:
Not sure what to make of your comment.
However, when it comes to my preferences, I hear what I hear and like
what I like. I don't spend time trying to pretend that my perception
yields some universal truth that deems others inferior if they don't
hear the same thing. And I
I tend ro agree wombat , how do you find the middle road with flat
earthers :) is concave a good compromise ?
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Mnyb wrote:
I tend ro agree wombat , how do you find the middle road with flat
earthers :) is concave a good compromise ?
I'm a bit confused Softwireengineer. Your middle of the road beliefs
require belief in magic and the abandonment of engineering principles.
Don't confuse facts with
darrenyeats wrote:
I've had similar experiences.
Darren
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Sad and Funny at the same time. One of the psychological things that
might be happening is - the sound/quality is always there. But we notice
them only after we upgrade something :-)
Leaving
SoftwireEngineer wrote:
Sad and Funny at the same time. One of the psychological things that
might be happening is - the sound/quality is always there. But we notice
them only after we upgrade something :-)
Leaving my possible ignorance/obsession with jitter aside, or my IQ,
main thing I
Gary, no problem. I would like to characterize my obsession with jitter
as a 'preoccupation' or pure intellectual curiosity :-) Just like Quad,
I need to put myself through some blind testing. Except my wife would
think, it is a weird behavior for a middle-aged family man, who should
be focussing
SoftwireEngineer wrote:
I would like to my wife would think, it is a weird behavior for a
middle-aged family man, who should be focussing on the kid's college
fund otherwise :-).
Yes! My ability to buy my toys depends in part on people paying
university tuition! Focus on that part first.
Mnyb wrote:
PS if you want to hear the buffer (or rather not ) it's easy with a
wired player just pull out the cable .
Then add the fact the data in the buffer would bee the same even if it
was filled via wifi .
the juggle the odds that such differences being a real electro acoustic
SoftwireEngineer wrote:
Exactly, I agree with you. Theoretically. But I guess there might be
implementation issues, say for eg, the wifi chip being close to the
clock etc. I did pull out the ethernet cable and saw the buffering. But
I could swear there is quite a difference. The sound is
bakker_be wrote:
a side by side comparison of redbook DSD, with some quite valid
obsrvations IMO, especially the conclusion :)
http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2013/04/auralic-vega-dsd-review/
Yeah, I think the review is generally fair. The DAC also looks very
nice!
However, I would say
SoftwireEngineer wrote:
:-) right. I should know .. I write streaming code . But is it possible
for you to measure jitter when the wifi is 40% ? it'd still play
nicely but I want to see whether there is any change in the jitter spec.
Really, appreciate that and thanks so much .
So lets
Archimago wrote:
Yeah, I think the review is generally fair - no audiophile worship of
the awesome 1-bit technology :-). The DAC also looks very nice!
However, I would say that his choice of music would not lend to
demonstrate DSD's superiority at all (in fact, likely quite the
Hey guys,
Another blog post up for this week... Measured some of my laptops!
Native built-in DAC, adaptive USB1 DAC, asynchronous CM6631 USB-SPDIF.
Bottom line: No voodoo. Computer audio can be complicated but so long as
the software player drivers are bit-perfect, and you don't have noise
Mnyb wrote:
Thankyou for the extended info , the only record I knew of that recorded
with the 3M system was Ry Cooders Jazz .
Was it not 14 bits ?
You might be right, I'll have to double check on this... Been awhile
since I read about it...
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