[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Why is no preamp best?

2007-01-02 Thread cliveb
I've been away for the Xmas break, and have just noticed this thread. Since it seems that it was started in response to a comment I made in another thread, I should try to clarify what I meant. ModelCitizen;164315 Wrote: You can have a hifi set up wihtout a pre-amp? I currently use a

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Why is no preamp best?

2007-01-02 Thread ModelCitizen
Thanks a lot for your reply Clive. It is just what I was hoping for. Happy New year. MC -- ModelCitizen Now what? Transporter Naim NAP 250 PMC OB1s. Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt ModelCitizen's

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Why is no preamp best?

2007-01-02 Thread lafayette
What are some working numbers here? For example, many amplifiers -- most? -- have 10-20kOhms of input impedance. Some switching amplifiers are higher, and some other amps are higher yet (I think Cary's solid state amp is around 100 kOhms, but don't quote me on that). So, is 20kOhm enough not

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Why is no preamp best?

2006-12-23 Thread Phil Leigh
Some power amps prefer an active pre-amp in front of them and some don't care...you need to find what works in your system. There is NO rule that says passive level control always sounds better than active...it doesn't work that way. Going through one (properly designed) extra op-amp or valve

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Why is no preamp best?

2006-12-23 Thread Phil Leigh
PhilNYC;164476 Wrote: I thought the ideal ratio was 100x? Sorry you are correct - it was a typo. 100x it is. -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Why is no preamp best?

2006-12-22 Thread 95bcwh
There is no universal truth in this hobby..there's no need to get confused over what others are saying. Have you ever been to a restaurant ordering the most popular manu and found out that it taste absolutely crap to your tongue? High end audio is not much different in this regards, trust your

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Why is no preamp best?

2006-12-22 Thread 95bcwh
Phil, with all due respect, less is done to an audio signal does not necessarily traslate to good sound. Regards barry PhilNYC;164322 Wrote: The theory for no preamp is the best is based on the idea that the less that is done to an audio signal, the better. And there's probably a lot

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Why is no preamp best?

2006-12-22 Thread PhilNYC
95bcwh;164332 Wrote: Phil, with all due respect, less is done to an audio signal does not necessarily traslate to good sound. Regards barry Never said it did. Personally, I strongly prefer the use of a preamp in my system. -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Why is no preamp best?

2006-12-22 Thread ModelCitizen
I agree with all of these posts, in that, what sounds good to the listener is best. However, the original quote said that no pre-amp is best. But, if the Transporter does not have a pre-amp how can it drive my power amp? It must have a pre-amp (but no pre-amp is good, according to CliveB). And a

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Why is no preamp best?

2006-12-22 Thread Greg Erskine
hi ModelCitizen, The Transporter's unbalanced analogue output puts out 2Vrms which is enough to drive any of my amps without a pre-amp. Historically, the job of a preamp was to boost the signal from phono or tape deck inputs up to the required voltage for an amp. Also, some input signals needed

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Why is no preamp best?

2006-12-22 Thread empty99
ModelCitizen;164343 Wrote: I agree with all of these posts, in that, what sounds good to the listener is best. However, the original quote said that no pre-amp is best. But, if the Transporter does not have a pre-amp how can it drive my power amp? It must have a pre-amp (but no pre-amp is

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Why is no preamp best?

2006-12-22 Thread SuperQ
empty99;164357 Wrote: Except for the old LP/Phono sources, which are extremely low in level, requiring step-up preamp stages, most modern music sources, ie CD, DVD, Tuners and yes, even Ipods, provide higher output voltages (around 2V), enough to drive many amps into overload. How can you be