Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW

2017-01-31 Thread Richard Frawley
some good news then. i suspect private ownership will increase for a while yet > On 1 Feb 2017, at 6:04 PM, steph...@internode.on.net wrote: > > > > From the aircraft register of 2013 > > 1220 gliders and motor gliders > > 950 privately owned > > 270 owned by clubs/cadets/societies etc.

Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW

2017-01-31 Thread stephenk
From the aircraft register of  2013 1220 gliders and motor gliders 950 privately owned 270 owned by clubs/cadets/societies etc. last year 1276 gliders and motor gliders (+4.6%, 56 actual) 981 privately owned (+3.3%, 31 actual)

Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW

2017-01-31 Thread Mark Newton
On Feb 1, 2017, at 2:58 PM, DMcD wrote: > I have to say, I'd love those who are not involved actively in gliding > to remove themselves from discussions related to soaring in Australia. That’s what the GFA website forums are for. I haven’t been actively involved in gliding

Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW

2017-01-31 Thread DMcD
>>as it is seen by what must be a representative cross section of the >>Australian gliding movement. It's not a representative cross section of anything but disenfranchised grumblers. It would be interesting if posters noted their (unsuccessful) clubs so we don't visit. >>(Not just the 2%

Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW

2017-01-31 Thread Richard Frawley
to put a different spin on it, how about asking some different questions 1) how many gliders are there now? 2) how many are privately owned (percentage change)? 3) have the annual flown hours per pilot gone up or down? > On 1 Feb 2017, at 2:22 pm, John Roake wrote: >

[Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW

2017-01-31 Thread John Roake
Hi Aussies I have been intrigued to read all the copy about your membership problem, as it is seen by what must be a representative cross section of the Australian gliding movement. We have been conducting a one-man war on the same subject against the International Gliding Commission,

Re: [Aus-soaring] gliding the sport

2017-01-31 Thread Robert Izatt
But you don’t need three students and four others to hang around all day just to do that. > On 31 Jan. 2017, at 1:46 pm, Derek wrote: > > Dittolog ain’t gonna tow & retrieve the glider… > > > From: Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au >

Re: [Aus-soaring] gliding the sport

2017-01-31 Thread Robert Izatt
Not born out by reality actually. Take rugby/basketball/tennis etc etc. Only the higher end coaches get paid and many many more people, mums and dads and people like me whose son has long moved on who coach the 15ds and run the line and cook the barbie all happily contribute because they enjoy

Re: [Aus-soaring] gliding the sport

2017-01-31 Thread Robert Izatt
In any bureaucratic or patriarchal system the hardest thing to relinquish or modify is power. > On 31 Jan. 2017, at 7:05 pm, Erich Wittstock wrote: > > Excuse my ignorance (never thought I would be able to use that phrase "one > day") > May I ask what is holding us back

Re: [Aus-soaring] gliding the sport

2017-01-31 Thread Mark Newton
On Jan 31, 2017, at 7:01 PM, steph...@internode.on.net wrote: > > Bugger, that link didn't work. > > here's a cut and paste: > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > Mark Newton >

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] Fwd: Staff, Family & Friends Offer

2017-01-31 Thread Ross McLean
The Narromine Gliding Club Two Seat Nationals website is now live. Just click on the image below: NGC 2017 Two Seat Nationals Header.jpg We have 16 gliders registered for the competition this year

Re: [Aus-soaring] a thank you

2017-01-31 Thread Bob Dircks
Indeed. the sectoral myopia is not the vintage style gliding... its the pursuit and defense of an elitist structure that will make "mucking about in boats" unaffordable. On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Richard Frawley wrote: > Why you wish to continue to offend many

[Aus-soaring] a thank you

2017-01-31 Thread emillis prelgauskas
To all contributors to the conversation on gliding the sport: a thank you. The conversation serves the same function as did the production in 1996 of the GFA Development Guide. It gets together the thinking across the breadth of issues:responses of the day. It helps people like me to cast my

Re: [Aus-soaring] gliding the sport

2017-01-31 Thread graham marsh
Hi Mike, This is Chris Marsh i was wondering if you can get all in gliding to delete Graham from there e-mails please. I am not very computer wise and i am getting an awful lot of gliding e-mails of which i am deleting every day. Thankyou so much. Regards Chris From: Mike Borgelt Sent:

Re: [Aus-soaring] gliding the sport

2017-01-31 Thread Catherine Conway
Mine - AV8 Flight Training at Parafield in SA. So far we have a Super Dimona and a Stemme available. (and arrangements with other clubs for other training). Market includes introducing commercial pilot candidates to unusual attitudes, stalls, spins (by arrangement with suitable aircraft)

Re: [Aus-soaring] gliding the sport

2017-01-31 Thread Richard Frawley
not sure thats a proper comparison. the dimona guys had specific objectives. i have been told they exceeded those objectives. it was not about size. they go flying, they have fun, they socialise, the plane is paid for and costs are covered. am i right in thinking that southern cross at

Re: [Aus-soaring] gliding the sport

2017-01-31 Thread Richard Frawley
still being a silly man > On 31 Jan 2017, at 6:57 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote: > > This list has been going for 20 years or so IIRC. > > List servers are great, much better than websites. BD-4 owners, builders and > would be builders have one too and it is

Re: [Aus-soaring] gliding the sport

2017-01-31 Thread Justin Couch
On 31/01/2017 1:30 PM, Mark Fisher wrote: Yep. As sad as it might seem, things will have to change. Of course club committees will cry foul and suggest that implementing this will mean the demise of the club. I think he GFA should look at supporting a flagship club or two to trial this. By

Re: [Aus-soaring] gliding the sport

2017-01-31 Thread stephenk
Bugger, that link didn't work. Here's a copy and paste -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  Mark Newton Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:41:54 -0700  On Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 08:43:41AM +1000, Brian Wade wrote:  > Then the current MOSP Part