Hi Mike, This is Chris Marsh i was wondering if you can get all in gliding to delete Graham from there e-mails please. I am not very computer wise and i am getting an awful lot of gliding e-mails of which i am deleting every day. Thankyou so much. Regards Chris
From: Mike Borgelt Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 6:27 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] gliding the sport This list has been going for 20 years or so IIRC. List servers are great, much better than websites. BD-4 owners, builders and would be builders have one too and it is fantastically useful. Yes, the same problems have been pointed out for 20 years and still those running the GFA exhort members to try harder to get new members and it still doesn't work. Einstein once defined insanity as "doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result". I left high school 51 years ago. My feeling at the time was the same as Martin Luther King " free, free at last, thank God I'm free at last". The GFA treats responsible adults like high school students and wonders why they don't like it. They are fools who are destroying this great activity. Mike On 31 Jan 2017, at 3:35 PM, Erich Wittstock <[email protected]> wrote: nope, we haven't :-) "The Facebook website was launched on February 4, 2004" (and the internet never lies) GFA only created a mailing list in May 2015. By the way, when was this aus-soaring list started? And was it Simon who did it? Can't recall when I joined the list - 'tis been almost 10 years ago. I started gliding 30 years ago. Let me re-phrase then: Without the initial comment on facebook we would have never had a discussion like this or re-opened a discussion so easily. The list server allows sharing of ideas - easily. It's not just a brainstorm session - it's a brainmonsoon. It is seasonal and facets will reappear from time to time. I don't know if I would have ever heard all the ideas that have been thrown around without subscribing to this list. I bet that one outcome is that some people are contacted off-list because of their ideas / experiences. The cycle of ongoing improvement. If we do not question, we will never have to change. If we do not change / adapt - we will go extinct. (note: meteor strikes are not covered in this policy until interplanetary travel is possible) There is something like on-line etiquette. Even some people in high political positions don't know or choose to ignore the rulz of on-line etiquette. (some bullies don't like being bullied?) Again: I missed the facebook comment. Maybe there was some truth in that comment. Just the packaging was most likely non-recyclable - in other words: maybe politically incorrect. Typing an e-mail is different to a face-to-face conversation. I am not sure if "that comment" would have been made face-to-face. Maybe it was not meant to offend the way it did. Electronic media is a strange thing. Facebook is more public in comparison to this list. Maybe a moderator could have just been contacted. This list had a bit of a shake-up not long ago and the tone has definitely changed. OK, here is a direct attack: In my view, the good people in the GFA are doing a fine job. Every member of the GFA is included in that attack - so feel offended! (bummer, even in electronic media not everyone can read between the lines) And here is a challenge: Anyone making a comment here should be prepared to put the required effort and action behind their suggestions. We are not in a position where we can just delegate by stating a sentence. That goes right down to the "lowest level". "you should be doing this" - heard that one before? I charge $11 / hour (that's inclusive of GST) to listen to good advise - a real bargain. Some people are even too stingy to pay this little fee. Here is one from way back: "ask not what a club can do for you; ask what..." you know the rest.. Constructive suggestion: When was the last time you thanked your club for supporting your special interest for running a comp, weekend operation etc. When was the last time you were a duty pilot or pushed a club glider? Disclaimer: If you are a tow pilot and actually do full days of towing: you fall under the rare species category and are naturally exempt from having to do anything else! We do look after minority groups! You can plan ahead to be a duty pilot (I know that's the unthinkable! But some survived this time in their life and come back for more.) You can plan to bring a non-aviation infected person along and let them get a feel for what we are doing. A flight line can be as interesting and exiting as a carrier operation. You have the chance to do some explaining (and bragging) whilst being a duty pilot. That is more important than just prancing.. Maybe you get them hooked. You'd be their mentor if they are thinking of starting. Gliding is not for everyone. But it is for some. Erich On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Mark Newton <[email protected]> wrote: On Jan 31, 2017, at 4:28 PM, Erich Wittstock <[email protected]> wrote: > Without the initial comment on facebook we would have never had a discussion like this. We’ve been having discussions like this for 20 years. - mark _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list [email protected] http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring
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