Re: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlib functionality to avr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread David Brown
Joerg Wunsch wrote: As Ron Kreymborg wrote: I now have a little more spare time, so would be willing to join as a volunteer for this library. As Frédéric Nadeau wrote: I started such a project at the beginning of the year. Please check at: http://code.google.com/p/avr-drv/ [...] I'm

RE: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlib functionality to avr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Ron Kreymborg
Some thoughts on a library. Let me start with a library that manages just the processor's internal peripherals: best practise would have all data structures the code requires declared as private (static). Data in, data out, exceptions and status would all be accessible only via public functions

RE: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlib functionality to avr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Weddington, Eric
-Original Message- From: avr-libc-dev-bounces+eric.weddington=atmel@nongnu.org [mailto:avr-libc-dev-bounces+eric.weddington=atmel@nongnu. org] On Behalf Of Frédéric Nadeau Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:44 PM To: avr-libc-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re:

RE: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlib functionality toavr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Weddington, Eric
-Original Message- From: avr-libc-dev-bounces+eric.weddington=atmel@nongnu.org [mailto:avr-libc-dev-bounces+eric.weddington=atmel@nongnu. org] On Behalf Of David Brown Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 1:20 AM To: avr-libc-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [avr-libc-dev]

Re: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlib functionality to avr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Frédéric Nadeau
I volunteer to start the project. I suggest we open a hosting on Savannha so that we can have a separate mailing list and start discussion on that specific project. From there on we could lay out a distribution plan, compilation method, etc. I would personally name it avr-drv. Any better name or

Re: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlib functionality to avr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Ruddick Lawrence
I feel that naming it avr-drv restricts is too restrictive for what this project is, since there has been mention of data structures and other things besides drivers. The name should be distinctive (to make google searches for it easier), but it doesn't need to be strictly explanatory, since

Re: [POSSIBLE VIRUS:###] RE: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlib functionality toavr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Ruddick Lawrence
I think LibAVR might be too confusing. I know on avrfreaks a lot of people complained that Procyon AVRLib (often shortened to just AVRLib) was too easily confused with avr-libc. I guess we should think about what this library really does (all I can think of is that it's utilities) and see if

RE: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlib functionality toavr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Weddington, Eric
-Original Message- From: Ruddick Lawrence [mailto:rudd...@stanford.edu] Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 12:45 PM To: Weddington, Eric Cc: Frédéric Nadeau; avr-libc-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [POSSIBLE VIRUS:###] RE: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlib functionality

Re: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlib functionality toavr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Joerg Wunsch
As Ruddick Lawrence wrote: I think LibAVR might be too confusing. I agree, though I also see Eric's point: assuming it will really become an object library, a link specification like -lavr looks good. But then, just because the object library is named libavr.a, nobody says this must exactly

RE: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlib functionalitytoavr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Weddington, Eric
-Original Message- From: avr-libc-dev-bounces+eric.weddington=atmel@nongnu.org [mailto:avr-libc-dev-bounces+eric.weddington=atmel@nongnu. org] On Behalf Of Joerg Wunsch Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 1:14 PM To: avr-libc-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [avr-libc-dev]

Re: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlib functionality to avr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Joerg Wunsch
As Frédéric Nadeau wrote: I volunteer to start the project. Great! I suggest we open a hosting on Savannha so that we can have a separate mailing list and start discussion on that specific project. From there on we could lay out a distribution plan, compilation method, etc. Do you really

Re: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlib functionalitytoavr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Joerg Wunsch
As Weddington, Eric wrote: Regarding naming, here's another thought: Why does it even have to have a separate name? If it's part of avr-libc, then let it be that: just a part of avr-libc. The library that is built could be named 'libavr.a' and one links to it with '-lavr', but it's still

RE: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlib functionalityto avr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Weddington, Eric
-Original Message- From: avr-libc-dev-bounces+eric.weddington=atmel@nongnu.org [mailto:avr-libc-dev-bounces+eric.weddington=atmel@nongnu. org] On Behalf Of Ron Kreymborg Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:22 AM To: avr-libc-dev@nongnu.org Subject: RE: [avr-libc-dev]

Re: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlib functionality to avr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Joerg Wunsch
As David Brown wrote: One thing I'd like to suggest is that the library be divided into separate areas. In particular, I'd like to see a stable area and a staging or experimental area. I don't mind that, just one remark: unless you got lots of people who are eager to test it, there's some

RE: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlibfunctionalitytoavr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Weddington, Eric
-Original Message- From: avr-libc-dev-bounces+eric.weddington=atmel@nongnu.org [mailto:avr-libc-dev-bounces+eric.weddington=atmel@nongnu. org] On Behalf Of Joerg Wunsch Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 1:28 PM To: avr-libc-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [avr-libc-dev]

RE: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlib functionality toavr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Weddington, Eric
-Original Message- From: avr-libc-dev-bounces+eric.weddington=atmel@nongnu.org [mailto:avr-libc-dev-bounces+eric.weddington=atmel@nongnu. org] On Behalf Of Joerg Wunsch Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 1:33 PM To: avr-libc-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [avr-libc-dev]

Re: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlibfunctionalitytoavr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Frédéric Nadeau
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Weddington, Eric eric.wedding...@atmel.com wrote: Certainly, a hosting location needs to be picked. If Savannah is too difficult, it's certainly easy to get a project started on SourceForge, and of course it's a popular hosting site. I suppose Google would be

Re: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlibfunctionalitytoavr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Ruddick Lawrence
Wow, step out for lunch and miss a lot! The confusion I was talking about with LibAVR was not with the existing Procyon library, but with avr-libc. Of course that only becomes a problem if they are indeed separate projects, which brings me to my second point... I agree that associating this new

Re: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlibfunctionalitytoavr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Jan Waclawek
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:45:47 -0700 Ruddick Lawrence rudd...@stanford.edu wrote: The confusion I was talking about with LibAVR was not with the existing Procyon library, but with avr-libc. Of course that only becomes a problem if they are indeed separate projects, which brings me to my second

Re: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlibfunctionalitytoavr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Frédéric Nadeau
I opened a SourceForge project currently named AVR C Library. I think we can stick to that name for now as we can always change it later when we have found a name that is 1) better, 2) suits everyone, most at least. I appreciate the suggestion for having a sub-mailing list to avr-libc. However

RE: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlibfunctionalitytoavr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Weddington, Eric
-Original Message- From: avr-libc-dev-bounces+eric.weddington=atmel@nongnu.org [mailto:avr-libc-dev-bounces+eric.weddington=atmel@nongnu. org] On Behalf Of Frédéric Nadeau Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 3:57 PM To: avr-libc-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [avr-libc-dev]

Re: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlibfunctionalitytoavr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Frédéric Nadeau
2009/9/18 Weddington, Eric eric.wedding...@atmel.com: -Original Message- From: avr-libc-dev-bounces+eric.weddington=atmel@nongnu.org [mailto:avr-libc-dev-bounces+eric.weddington=atmel@nongnu. org] On Behalf Of Frédéric Nadeau Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 3:57 PM To:

RE: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlibfunctionalitytoavr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Weddington, Eric
-Original Message- From: avr-libc-dev-bounces+eric.weddington=atmel@nongnu.org [mailto:avr-libc-dev-bounces+eric.weddington=atmel@nongnu. org] On Behalf Of Frédéric Nadeau Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 5:20 PM To: avr-libc-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [avr-libc-dev]

Re: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlibfunctionalitytoavr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Frédéric Nadeau
Ok. But wait on setting up mailing lists, unless you're absolutely sure that we can change *those* names after they've been created. ;-) I thought about that for the forum, so I made the Open Discussion forum public for now so that people can pitch their idea without registering, at least.

RE: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlibfunctionalitytoavr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Weddington, Eric
-Original Message- From: avr-libc-dev-bounces+eric.weddington=atmel@nongnu.org [mailto:avr-libc-dev-bounces+eric.weddington=atmel@nongnu. org] On Behalf Of Frédéric Nadeau Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 5:46 PM To: avr-libc-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [avr-libc-dev]

Re: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlibfunctionalitytoavr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Frédéric Nadeau
Well since this is avr libc 'the next step' it's like avr++ which in a literal sence would be bwr (a+1, v+1, r+1). Which happens to coincide with burbon/beer, whisky, scotch. So libbwr. Where beer might refer to a possible license... On the other hand we could do something as simple as

RE: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlibfunctionalitytoavr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Weddington, Eric
-Original Message- From: avr-libc-dev-bounces+eric.weddington=atmel@nongnu.org [mailto:avr-libc-dev-bounces+eric.weddington=atmel@nongnu. org] On Behalf Of Ruddick Lawrence Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:24 PM To: avr-libc-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [avr-libc-dev]

Re: [avr-libc-dev] Adding (some) Procyon AVRlibfunctionalitytoavr-libc

2009-09-18 Thread Ruddick Lawrence
Ok, I'm going to go ahead and make the call that it's named AVR Core Library (avr-corelib) since it seems well received and choosing one will allow us to move onto other issues. Frederic said he might be gone for the weekend, and he hasn't given me any privileges on the sourceforge account yet,