Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente

2016-08-05 Thread Cheri Mello
Sooner or later a male descendant will show up! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" a

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente

2016-08-05 Thread Pam Santos
all my lines from here are female decendants. On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 9:02 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: > The problem is where no descendants were listed. Those may be the lines > that need work. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira da

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente

2016-08-04 Thread Cheri Mello
The problem is where no descendants were listed. Those may be the lines that need work. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, lo

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente

2016-08-04 Thread EResendes
I've looked at all the descendants that I have for this line and the latest I can go to a direct male descendant is in mid 1800's. I have direct 6th generation Capt. Antonio Ignacio de Medeiros who died in Feb. 5th 1849 in Faial da Terra but only had a daughter. All the other lines I checked

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente

2016-08-03 Thread Cathy Bourgeois
Thanks for your responseand yes, it would be wonderful if we could get that answer. On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 12:14 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > If Joao Afonso (de Pimentel) "das Grotas Fundas" is who genealogists say > he is (son of the 3rd Count)

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente

2016-08-03 Thread Cheri Mello
You know how ideas are really good in theory but sometimes when we put them to practice, well, we run into obstacles? Joao Afonso Grotas Fundas...born mid to late 1400s, d. 1512. Work tracing ALL his sons forward for the past 550 years to wherever his descendants went: America, Canada, Brasil, Ber

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente

2016-08-03 Thread brownat68
Those of us that are descendants of João Afonso can all pitch in for a Y-DNA test. I remember someone posting information a year or so ago that a university was going to publish a paper about João Afonso (de Pimentel) das Grotas Fundas but nothing was brought forth. Todd On Wednesday, Septemb

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente

2016-08-03 Thread Manita M
Dear direct paternal line descendant of Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas, We need your Y DNA tested to confirm a mystery and be able to make a huge breakthrough with one of the original settlers of the Azores. Of course we would then need to find a direct paternal descendant of his father, the Count

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente

2016-08-03 Thread Manita M
This is exactly what we need in order to have scientific proof. Otherwise, we will never know for sure. We NEED to figure this out. It's an intriguing story that needs to be told and properly researched. Is there anyway that we could identify a direct male descendant of Joao Afonso das GF? Then

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente

2016-07-31 Thread Shirley Allegre
I have him born in Spain. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: cathybourgeois1218 To: Azores Genealogy Cc: marra...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 5:26 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente There is a

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente

2016-07-31 Thread Cheri Mello
I don't know who Paul is or why he is mentioned on this thread about Joao Afonso. When getting into DNA and not knowing where to start, order Family Finder and then other tests can be ordered later. Cheri -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, lo

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente

2016-07-30 Thread Maria Lima
Theresa- I have not made a connection yet but you thought Paul MIGHT be related? I know he is also related to CATHY Bourgeois who imitistes this thread. They are related on two lines. I admit ignorance, but i do not know which DNA test he should take. So far all his paternal line goes

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente

2016-07-30 Thread Cheri Mello
Yes, we would need a strict line male descendant of Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas (the male test taker must have the genealogy of his father's father's father's father back to Joao Afonso) AND we would need a man who was the son of the son of the son of the son of the Count of Benavente to compare

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente

2016-07-30 Thread brownat68 .
Are there any direct male descendants of João Afonso (de Pimentel) “das Grotas Fundas on this forum? Even if there is we wouldn't we need to find someone descended from the Counts to take a DNA test also to compare their DNA to? Todd On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 12:14 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Gen

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente

2016-07-30 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy
If Joao Afonso (de Pimentel) "das Grotas Fundas" is who genealogists say he is (son of the 3rd Count) then he would have been born in Spain, not in Portugal. It would be nice if DNA technology could be put to use here to determine if he does descend from the Counts. Best regards, John Miranda Ra

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente

2016-07-28 Thread cathybourgeois1218
There is a discrepancy as to where he was born. Was he born in Portugal or Baesa, Galiza Spain? On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 11:48:19 AM UTC-4, John Raposo wrote: > > *Jo**ã**o Afonso (de Pimentel) **“**das Grotas Fundas* > *Died 2 Sept 1512* > > NB: this is the work of several people in

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao Afonso das Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente

2015-09-03 Thread brownat68
This is fantastic thank you! So many of my ancestors trace back to him. Todd On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 11:48:19 AM UTC-4, John Raposo wrote: > > *Jo**ã**o Afonso (de Pimentel) **“**das Grotas Fundas* > *Died 2 Sept 1512* > > NB: this is the work of several people including Rodrigo Rod