[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: [Madeira] DNA: How much of your ancestors is in you?

[Cheri Mello]

Hardly, Miguel. It's not what you see on TV or the commercials (in
America).

DNA is just another tool in the genealogist's tool box. Many genealogy
societies have DNA Interest Groups. You should see if your local society
has one and attend. Genealogy conferences have lots and lots of DNA
speakers. You should see if there's one locally to you and attend.

If you follow any of Roberta's postings or those of the other genetic
genealogists, no one is saying the paper trail doesn't matter. They all say
it is a tool to be used in conjunction with everything else. Not to use DNA
is kinda like not using the Internet to look up records. You can still
drive to your local FHC and look up your genealogy on microfilm if you
prefer. Well, until August 31st, when Family Search sunsets microfilm.

My dad's DNA has been able to help others figure out their paper trail. My
cousin, Richard, DNA tested for me last fall and died 3 months later. I
can't tell you how thankful I am that I got it. His DNA seems to really
attract people from my freguesia - more so than my dad's DNA. Eventually,
we will have the DNA of the entire freguesia. Science backing the paper of
history. And opening doors. Although some of those doors may be closets,
with a skeleton in them.

And many people go beyond with DNA, into anthropology and older and ancient
civilizations. All through DNA.

Now there's those lovely (voice dripping in sarcasm) TV commercials, at
least on American TV. Most of those commercials are geared towards the
ethnicity estimates. Many people take a DNA test to see if they need to
trade in their lederhosen for haggis. They aren't interested in genealogy
whatsoever.

And there are the TV shows (at least in America - Who Do You Think You Are?
and Long Lost Family) that makes it look like a DNA test unravels a paper
trail or it just takes a couple of keystrokes at the computer. As any
genealogist knows, that's not true. But if they televised all the boring
parts, well, there would be no sponsors and no ratings. And rating$ equal
$pon$or$ and profit$ for the networks.

Also, DNA can open doors for those of unknown parents. Or pai(s)
incognitos. I was contacted by a 77 year old man, whose last name is Mello.
He was placed in foster care in Massachusetts and never adopted. He knew
his mother's name was Mary Mello and couple of other facts. His only choice
was to DNA test. While his DNA was processing, I was checking out the Mary
Mello's who lived in the vicinity where he was born. There were 2 of the
right age that fit his facts. When his DNA came in, he got a strong Italian
match and his ethnicity estimate indicated Italian as well. He was half
Italian and half Portuguese. I got him to upload to GedMatch where I found
stronger Italian matches. I got them to transfer to FTDNA. Not only are we
converging on an Italian family, one of the guys who transferred is half
Italian and half Portuguese as well. And matches my dad! So in helping
someone else, I expanded my own tree. And the Mary Mellos? The first one
did have 3 descendants that DNA tested. None matched Mr. Mello. The 2nd
Mary Mello doesn't appear to have anyone who has DNA tested yet. But given
the address where Mr. Mello was born, I was able to run down his 88 year
old uncle, who lives only 15 miles from me! He lived at the address 77
years ago where Mr. Mello was born.

It's just another tool and a great way to find more cousins (I can't name
all my 3rd, 4th, 5th cousins) and to help others. And helping others just
feels good!

Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Urzelina births in Santo Amaro

[Shirley Allegre]

Thanks a million.Shirley in CA
  - Original Message - 
  From: Cheri Mello 
  To: Azores Genealogy 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 10:53 AM
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Urzelina births in Santo Amaro


  Shirley,


  It's because you are using the CCA directly instead of Tombo.pt. It is linked 
correctly on Tombo.pt.  And I've already reported it to the CCA for you like 
you asked.



  Cheri Mello
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  Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


  On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Shirley Allegre  
wrote:

Yesterday, while searching in Santo Amaro births, I found the following:

births:  Urzelina 1780-1794.  It is on the bottom of the page.

Shirley in CA

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA: How much of your ancestors is in you?

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Cheri; Thanks for sharing this.  Nice simple explanation with graphs that are 
easily understood.  Very helpful!

Sam (Camas, WA)

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 10:59 AM
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA: How much of your ancestors is in you?

(Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and Island Routes lists)
Today, Roberta Estes wrote about how much DNA we have from our ancestors and 
why our siblings have different amounts. She explains why it's good to test 
siblings as well. It's a great article, and pretty short too!
https://goo.gl/NBBpXv
Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Genealogical Conference and Research Trip, Aug. 29-Sept 1

[Cheri Mello]

(Cross posted to the Azores, Madeira, IslandRoutes lists)

We are one month away from the cutoff to register for the Portuguese
Genealogical Conference in Salt Lake City, Utah, from Tuesday, August 29 -
Friday, September 1st.

If you were thinking of coming along with us, please book your room at the
Plaza Hotel now: 800-366-3684. Then check with your favorite airline or
travel site and book your airfare.

We plan on having classes with lectures, computer lab time, hands-on time,
and personal one-on-one assistance with research and DNA! And it's so much
fun to be researching with others and then discovering that one of them is
your cousin!

More detailed information can be found here: https://goo.gl/ft7B97

(Our next one will be sometime in 2019).

Hope to see you there! Cheri & Rosemarie

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] "The Wheel"

[gs311]

John
What children are you speaking of? His brothers and sisters? (I believe I know 
of one brother). 
What will that tell me?
Gordon 

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> On Jun 27, 2017, at 1:42 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> He was registered as #1612, born/baptized 1878. It is likely a dead end. Had 
> either parent come forward, their names would have appeared in Jacinto's 
> marriage record or in the baptismal records of Jacinto's children. I wonder 
> if Gordon has checked the children's birth and marriage records? 
> 
> Sometimes, as in the case of one of my foundling ancestors, the parentage is 
> an open secret. Everybody knows but nobody makes a formal declaration. The 
> details are murky. In the case of my foundling ancestor, born in 1820, it 
> took a hundred years before the issue began to appear in print and almost 
> another 50 years before the whole matter was exposed in a book. Needless to 
> say, her father was the village squire and prominent in society and in 
> politics. Her mother had been a servant in her lover's father's house. 
> 
> John
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 2:23 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> 
> Gordon,
> 
> Most likely it's a dead end. Especially since your grandfather was born in 
> 1612 (2nd time period).
> 
> Cheri
> 
> 
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Gordon Soares  wrote:
> My grandfather Jesse Ferreira’s baptism certificate says:
> 
> registo de nascimento de Jacinto n 1612, filho de pais ingênitos exposto na 
> Roda de acidade de ponta Delgado a 2 Dez 1878; dado criar a Ana de Jesus, 
> mulher de Joao Ferreira, moradora na freguesia de Sao Jose da mesma cidade.
> 
> registo de baptismo de Jacinto, exposto sob on n 1612, a 2 Dez 1878, na roda 
> publica da cidade de Ponts Delgada, dado a criar a Ana de Jesus, mulher de 
> Joao Ferreira de Sao Jose de mesma cidade, foi baptizado a 3 Dez. 1878, na 
> matriz de Sao Sebastião, Ponta Delgada.
> 
> Am I at a dead end in finding anything more about Jesse (Jacinto) and his 
> real parents? Elsewhere I have information that he was placed on the wheel at 
> 8 am and adopted by Ana De Jesus and Joao Ferreira at 10 am.
> 
> Gordon Soares
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] "The Wheel"

[Cheri Mello]

Duh, yes, it says the year was 1878. That's the 3rd time period. You can
get grandparents.

I think it was Herb who traced all the children and grandchilren of his pai
incognito. And it popped up. Yes, it's unusual for it to happen, but you
don't know until you look.

Since the birth was 1878, DNA testing can help. You have to work the
branches you know and have a paper trail for and then the pai incognito
line may come into focus.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 12:42 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> He was registered as #1612, born/baptized 1878. It is likely a dead end.
> Had either parent come forward, their names would have appeared in
> Jacinto's marriage record or in the baptismal records of Jacinto's
> children. I wonder if Gordon has checked the children's birth and marriage
> records?
>
> Sometimes, as in the case of one of my foundling ancestors, the parentage
> is an open secret. Everybody knows but nobody makes a formal declaration.
> The details are murky. In the case of my foundling ancestor, born in 1820,
> it took a hundred years before the issue began to appear in print and
> almost another 50 years before the whole matter was exposed in a book.
> Needless to say, her father was the village squire and prominent in society
> and in politics. Her mother had been a servant in her lover's father's
> house.
>
> John
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 2:23 PM, Cheri Mello 
> wrote:
>
>
> Gordon,
>
> Most likely it's a dead end. Especially since your grandfather was born in
> 1612 (2nd time period).
>
> Cheri
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Gordon Soares 
> wrote:
>
> My grandfather Jesse Ferreira’s baptism certificate says:
>
> registo de nascimento de Jacinto n 1612, filho de pais ingênitos exposto
> na Roda de acidade de ponta Delgado a 2 Dez 1878; dado criar a Ana de
> Jesus, mulher de Joao Ferreira, moradora na freguesia de Sao Jose da mesma
> cidade.
>
> registo de baptismo de Jacinto, exposto sob on n 1612, a 2 Dez 1878, na
> roda publica da cidade de Ponts Delgada, dado a criar a Ana de Jesus,
> mulher de Joao Ferreira de Sao Jose de mesma cidade, foi baptizado a 3 Dez.
> 1878, na matriz de Sao Sebastião, Ponta Delgada.
>
> Am I at a dead end in finding anything more about Jesse (Jacinto) and his
> real parents? Elsewhere I have information that he was placed on the wheel
> at 8 am and adopted by Ana De Jesus and Joao Ferreira at 10 am.
>
> Gordon Soares
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] "The Wheel"

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

He was registered as #1612, born/baptized 1878. It is likely a dead end. Had 
either parent come forward, their names would have appeared in Jacinto's 
marriage record or in the baptismal records of Jacinto's children. I wonder if 
Gordon has checked the children's birth and marriage records? 

Sometimes, as in the case of one of my foundling ancestors, the parentage is an 
open secret. Everybody knows but nobody makes a formal declaration. The details 
are murky. In the case of my foundling ancestor, born in 1820, it took a 
hundred years before the issue began to appear in print and almost another 50 
years before the whole matter was exposed in a book. Needless to say, her 
father was the village squire and prominent in society and in politics. Her 
mother had been a servant in her lover's father's house. 

John
 

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 2:23 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
 

 Gordon,

Most likely it's a dead end. Especially since your grandfather was born in 1612 
(2nd time period).

Cheri



Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Gordon Soares  wrote:

My grandfather Jesse Ferreira’s baptism certificate says:

registo de nascimento de Jacinto n 1612, filho de pais ingênitos exposto na 
Roda de acidade de ponta Delgado a 2 Dez 1878; dado criar a Ana de Jesus, 
mulher de Joao Ferreira, moradora na freguesia de Sao Jose da mesma cidade.

registo de baptismo de Jacinto, exposto sob on n 1612, a 2 Dez 1878, na roda 
publica da cidade de Ponts Delgada, dado a criar a Ana de Jesus, mulher de Joao 
Ferreira de Sao Jose de mesma cidade, foi baptizado a 3 Dez. 1878, na matriz de 
Sao Sebastião, Ponta Delgada.

Am I at a dead end in finding anything more about Jesse (Jacinto) and his real 
parents? Elsewhere I have information that he was placed on the wheel at 8 am 
and adopted by Ana De Jesus and Joao Ferreira at 10 am.

Gordon Soares

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] "The Wheel"

[Cheri Mello]

Gordon,

Most likely it's a dead end. Especially since your grandfather was born in
1612 (2nd time period).

Cheri



Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Gordon Soares 
wrote:

> My grandfather Jesse Ferreira’s baptism certificate says:
>
> registo de nascimento de Jacinto n 1612, filho de pais ingênitos exposto
> na Roda de acidade de ponta Delgado a 2 Dez 1878; dado criar a Ana de
> Jesus, mulher de Joao Ferreira, moradora na freguesia de Sao Jose da mesma
> cidade.
>
> registo de baptismo de Jacinto, exposto sob on n 1612, a 2 Dez 1878, na
> roda publica da cidade de Ponts Delgada, dado a criar a Ana de Jesus,
> mulher de Joao Ferreira de Sao Jose de mesma cidade, foi baptizado a 3 Dez.
> 1878, na matriz de Sao Sebastião, Ponta Delgada.
>
> Am I at a dead end in finding anything more about Jesse (Jacinto) and his
> real parents? Elsewhere I have information that he was placed on the wheel
> at 8 am and adopted by Ana De Jesus and Joao Ferreira at 10 am.
>
> Gordon Soares
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA: How much of your ancestors is in you?

[MaryAnn Santos]

Thank you, that explains a lot. Very good, quick read.

MaryAnn

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and Island Routes lists)
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> Today, Roberta Estes wrote about how much DNA we have from our ancestors
> and why our siblings have different amounts. She explains why it's good to
> test siblings as well. It's a great article, and pretty short too!
> https://goo.gl/NBBpXv
> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
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[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA: How much of your ancestors is in you?

[Cheri Mello]

(Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and Island Routes lists)

Today, Roberta Estes wrote about how much DNA we have from our ancestors
and why our siblings have different amounts. She explains why it's good to
test siblings as well. It's a great article, and pretty short too!
https://goo.gl/NBBpXv
Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Urzelina births in Santo Amaro

[Cheri Mello]

Shirley,

It's because you are using the CCA directly instead of Tombo.pt. It is
linked correctly on Tombo.pt.  And I've already reported it to the CCA for
you like you asked.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Shirley Allegre 
wrote:

> Yesterday, while searching in Santo Amaro births, I found the following:
>
> births:  Urzelina 1780-1794.  It is on the bottom of the page.
>
> Shirley in CA
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[AZORES-Genealogy] "The Wheel"

[Gordon Soares]

My grandfather Jesse Ferreira’s baptism certificate says: 

registo de nascimento de Jacinto n 1612, filho de pais ingênitos exposto na 
Roda de acidade de ponta Delgado a 2 Dez 1878; dado criar a Ana de Jesus, 
mulher de Joao Ferreira, moradora na freguesia de Sao Jose da mesma cidade.

registo de baptismo de Jacinto, exposto sob on n 1612, a 2 Dez 1878, na roda 
publica da cidade de Ponts Delgada, dado a criar a Ana de Jesus, mulher de Joao 
Ferreira de Sao Jose de mesma cidade, foi baptizado a 3 Dez. 1878, na matriz de 
Sao Sebastião, Ponta Delgada.

Am I at a dead end in finding anything more about Jesse (Jacinto) and his real 
parents? Elsewhere I have information that he was placed on the wheel at 8 am 
and adopted by Ana De Jesus and Joao Ferreira at 10 am.

Gordon Soares

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Urzelina births in Santo Amaro

[Shirley Allegre]

Yesterday, while searching in Santo Amaro births, I found the following:

births:  Urzelina 1780-1794.  It is on the bottom of the page.

Shirley in CA

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA Testing Companies: An analogy

[Peter DeCosta]

Brilliant post; great analogy and thanks for all your time/effort.  I'm 
sure thousands of people have benefited from your help.  Thank you, thank 
you, thank you.

On Friday, 23 June 2017 16:46:50 UTC+1, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists)
>
> Here are some department stores in America. Some may be in Canada too:
> [image: Inline image 1][image: Inline image 2][image: Inline image 3]
>
> Let's say you find a pair of Levi's (jeans) on sale at Sears. You have a 
> question, but you see no available clerk at Sears. So you set the jeans 
> down and go to Macy's to ask the clerk there about the sale on the Levi's 
> jeans at Sears. 
>
> The above scenario is ridiculous and you know that a clerk in one store 
> cannot answer a question about a sale at another store, even if they all 
> sell Levi's jeans.
>
> Now, let's say you have walked into a thrift store. They sell donated 
> clothes that others have purchased from many department stores such as 
> Sears, J.C. Penney's and Macy's. You spot your favorite shirt that you 
> ruined 5 years ago. It's just like the one you bought at J.C. Penney's. But 
> you have a question. Since you recognize the brand as one that is sold 
> exclusively at Penney's, you drive over to Penney's to ask the clerk a 
> question about your favorite shirt that you bought 5 years ago and ruined.
>
> And you all know that's completely ridiculous too.
>
> The example above is fairly easy to understand since they involve actual 
> brick-and-mortar stores that have familiarity to at least the American list 
> readers.
>
> Now let's switch gears. We have DNA testing companies (who have an 
> Internet presence). The main 3 players currently are:
> [image: Inline image 4][image: Inline image 5][image: Inline image 6]
>
> These three companies, Family Tree DNA (FTDNA), AncestryDNA, and 23 and 
> Me, all sell DNA tests, just like Sears, Penney's, and Macy's sell Levi's 
> jeans. 
>
> Out of the 3 DNA testing companies, one has many "store clerks" and the 
> other 2 stores you can't find a clerk in sight. FTDNA has many "store 
> clerks" called administrators (or admins, for short). They are there to 
> answer questions about the DNA tests you purchased at FTDNA. If you 
> purchased a DNA test at AncestryDNA, don't ask your FTDNA admin a question 
> about it. Or about 23 and Me. That's like seeing the Levi's in Sears but 
> going over to Macy's to ask the clerk a question.
>
> Also, you can take your DNA to the thrift shop. This is a web site called 
> GedMatch. You can download your raw data from any of the big 3 testing 
> companies and put it on GedMatch. Just like you can purchase clothes from 
> Sears, Penney's or Macy's and donate them to a thrift store. But you are 
> not going to find something at the thrift store and drive back to Macy's to 
> ask a question. So if you upload at GedMatch, don't expect your FTDNA admin 
> to help you with GedMatch questions and problems.
>
> The Azores, Madeira (and other Portuguese based projects) were founded 12 
> years ago on Family Tree DNA. I'm a Family Tree DNA admin. I'm a volunteer. 
> I spend anywhere from 10 to maybe 20 hours a week helping people. You don't 
> publicly see this, as I am helping one individual at a time with their own 
> personal results. That individual tested with FTDNA. So if you want to test 
> with another testing company, that's fine. Don't expect the FTDNA admin to 
> help you with your results. That's like seeing the Levi's on sale at Sears 
> and asking the Macy's clerk for help. It's the same for GedMatch as well.
>
> Luckily, FTDNA can accept DNA results from AncestryDNA and 23 and Me. So 
> if you want help from an FTDNA admin, transfer your results over to FTDNA.
>
> Now we all know that many store clerks are part time workers and some work 
> at more than one store. Some FTDNA admins have tested at other companies 
> and are willing to help with those results. Most do not. For those that do, 
> many do charge a consultant fee, as it is beyond the scope of what they do 
> as a volunteer admin with FTDNA. They are acting as a consultant across 
> companies and not solely as a volunteer admin with FTDNA.
>
> Hope this analogy clears up some confusion.
>
> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help

['Ralph Sellars' via Azores Genealogy]

I am computer illiterate but the answer to Sam's response is "Yes"  !When I 
purchased my new desk top from Best Buy several years ago now, I was sold a  
"HP ENVY 23 TouchSmart  PC"  I don't know why any one would want or need this 
feature on a desk top as it is very inconvenient and more inconvenient than 
help full for me as I don't use it.  When someone helps me with some problem 
and they go to point to something on the window to show me some feature and 
they happen to touch the screen  it changes and so you loose the opportunity to 
understand the feature they are attempting to show you !  Ralph E. Sellars, Jr. 
E-Mail resj...@yahoo.com 

  From: "'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy" 
 To: "azores@googlegroups.com"  
 Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 1:01 PM
 Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help
   
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Maria Elena;  You can do that with a computer only if you have a touch screen 
on your computer.  Don’t know if any desktops have a touch screen but; various 
laptops do.  Also, if you hold down the “ctrl” key and tap the “+” key the 
screen enlarges.  Hope this helps,Sam (Camas, WA)  From: Maria Lima
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 9:52 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help  Liz,  One thing you might love about 
searching on the iPad is how easy it is to move through the records and magnify 
them by making the screen larger.  On the computer it takes longer to get 
through the research - for me.  Maybe swe meone out there will tell me there's 
a way to enlarge the records on the computer with your hand like on the iPad.   
  I've checked and found Reunion would  work best for meSince we have one 
computer (MacBook Pro) which my husband uses most for of the time.    But one 
can download the Reunion  program through Dropbox to the IPad.    You'll figure 
it out and I think you'll joy the IPad.  I love it.    Best, 

Maria Elena 

  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] History of Azorean Surames Resources

[Cheri Mello]

I've never heard that Jácome translates to Jacob.

My line ends in the Sao Pedro church of Santa Maria island with a Manuel
Jácome m. to Guimar Velha. They are having kids in the 1670s and 1680s. So
they married before that. Sometime in the 1680s they moved to Vila Franca
do Campo and continue having kids there (Sao Miguel Arcanjo church).

I don't have all the kids and of the ones I do have, I don't have a
Sebastiao. I don't have any compounding their names either.

My dad carries Manuel Jácome's Y DNA. I don't know if you had your husband
Y DNA test or not. If you did, he's not matching my dad and it's a
different Jácome line.
Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 7:38 AM, Maria Lima  wrote:

> Cheri:
>
> The top of my husband's pedigree chart goes back to the name Jacome.  I
> went as far back as Sebastiao De Resendes Jacome (x Maria da Costa) in
> Santa Maria.  Are your Jacome's from there also?
>
> I looked up the meaning of Jacome and it's "Jacob". I thought of Jacob of
> the House of Israel.
>
> Maria Elena
>
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Andrew M,
>
> However, most families really don't have a coat of arms or armorial. We
> were just a bunch of hard working peasants back then!
>
> Also, you are used to the American tradition of naming patterns and you
> only *think* your surname is Medeiros. It's not. My surname should have
> been Jacome when you go back far enough (where I ran out of records).
>
> Cheri Mello (could have been Cheri de Mello or Cheri Jacome)
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] History of Azorean Surames Resources

[Maria Lima]

Cheri:  

The top of my husband's pedigree chart goes back to the name Jacome.  I went as 
far back as Sebastiao De Resendes Jacome (x Maria da Costa) in Santa Maria.  
Are your Jacome's from there also?  

I looked up the meaning of Jacome and it's "Jacob". I thought of Jacob of the 
House of Israel.  

Maria Elena 

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Andrew M,
> 
> However, most families really don't have a coat of arms or armorial. We were 
> just a bunch of hard working peasants back then!
> 
> Also, you are used to the American tradition of naming patterns and you only 
> *think* your surname is Medeiros. It's not. My surname should have been 
> Jacome when you go back far enough (where I ran out of records).
> 
> Cheri Mello (could have been Cheri de Mello or Cheri Jacome)
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