RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work
Unfortunately, my grandfather was not naturalized. At least, I'm pretty sure he wasn't. May have to look into that a bit more to be sure. As an aside, perhaps your grandfather was in a situation somewhat similar to what can happen here in Mexico. If a person of U.S. citizenship wants to acquire Mexican citizenship, they have to sign forms renouncing their U.S. citizenship, something I would never do. However, the U.S. government, from what I have been told, does not recognize that renunciation. My understanding is that an American citizen can only renounce his/her citizenship at a U.S. consulate for it to be recognized by the U.S. government. Perhaps it was the same way with Portugal and that is why they retained the right to your grandfather's money. Just a theory. Sam From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of eric edgar Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 11:35 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Sam , If your grandfather was an American citizen, then a US State Dept record might be found at Ancestry. I can't find the database right now , but think it was in the Immigration section My great grandfather died in Lisbon in 1925 while on a trip to the Azores and Europe. I found sixteen pages of documents relating to it from the State Dept, US Consul, the Calfornia senator, and family attorneys in Oakland. It seems the Portuguese government didn't want to have it proved he was a US citizen so they could keep his money. I have a copy of the passport he filed for this trip with his naturalization papers attached. They wouldn't release his death certificate to the US Consul, so the US State Dept couldn't release his Citizenship papers. It was a stand off and the Portuguese government won. It was a lot of money, as he had sold his house, and was starting a year long European tour. Eric Edgar On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Sam Koester sam...@surewest.net wrote: Yes, life was so different for our ancestors. Hard to imagine what it was really like for them. My granddad went back to the Azores for a visit and died there. I have no when that happened or what he died from. Would love to know for sure what type of mine he worked at but; guess I never will. From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of nancy jean baptiste Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 2:11 PM To: azores group Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Sam, Your link is interesting.it mentions so many nationalities working in the mines...no Portuguese even mentioned. I can only imagine the levels of toxicity in a cinnebar mine! I wonder what the life expectancy of the miners was at the time. Nancy Jean _ From: sam...@surewest.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:43:15 -0700 Eric and Mary, In case you are interested, I found this information that might have something to do with my granddad's mining work... http://www.historysanjose.org/neighborhoods/newalmaden/index.html Sam in Maz From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of eric edgar Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:36 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Sam, Over the hills from Milpitas to me means following Calaveras Road east into the Diablo Range south of Livermore, This has long been a mining district. Coal was mined at Tesla and Corral Hollow, Magnesite at the Red Mountain district farther south. Magnesite is used in steel and rubber production. It could have also meant the New Almaden quicksilver mines south of San Jose. Mercurey Sulfide (Cinnabar) has been mined here since 1845. Eric Edgar On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Sam Koester sam...@surewest.net wrote: I don't think this is too off subjectMy father told me his dad used to walk over the hill to the mines. At this point in time they lived in either Milpitas (San Jose, CA area). I think, from the back of my mind, that it was a sulfur mine. Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks, Sam in Maz -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Bordi Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:59 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Regarding Brokers and Jobbers-- I got an broadsheet published by Murray and Ready, SF California in August 1905 that advertised (their words not mine) White male help of all kinds furnished free of charge. It was issued four times daily and I imagine posted various places for people to see and sent to outlying areas, perhaps. All sorts of jobs were listed by category, such as waiters, blacksmiths, cooks
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work
Sam, Your link is interesting.it mentions so many nationalities working in the mines...no Portuguese even mentioned. I can only imagine the levels of toxicity in a cinnebar mine! I wonder what the life expectancy of the miners was at the time. Nancy Jean From: sam...@surewest.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:43:15 -0700 Eric and Mary, In case you are interested, I found this information that might have something to do with my granddad’s mining work….. http://www.historysanjose.org/neighborhoods/newalmaden/index.html Sam in Maz From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of eric edgar Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:36 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Sam, Over the hills from Milpitas to me means following Calaveras Road east into the Diablo Range south of Livermore, This has long been a mining district. Coal was mined at Tesla and Corral Hollow, Magnesite at the Red Mountain district farther south. Magnesite is used in steel and rubber production. It could have also meant the New Almaden quicksilver mines south of San Jose. Mercurey Sulfide (Cinnabar) has been mined here since 1845. Eric Edgar On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Sam Koester sam...@surewest.net wrote: I don't think this is too off subjectMy father told me his dad used to walk over the hill to the mines. At this point in time they lived in either Milpitas (San Jose, CA area). I think, from the back of my mind, that it was a sulfur mine. Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks, Sam in Maz -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Bordi Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:59 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Regarding Brokers and Jobbers-- I got an broadsheet published by Murray and Ready, SF California in August 1905 that advertised (their words not mine) White male help of all kinds furnished free of charge. It was issued four times daily and I imagine posted various places for people to see and sent to outlying areas, perhaps. All sorts of jobs were listed by category, such as waiters, blacksmiths, cooks, laborers, ranch hands, Saw mills, boys, married help etc. Something that might have appealed to our Azorean ancestors might be: Man run gang plow s. Joaquin Co. $1.25 day bd 4 Teamsters 2 horses Solano Co $1.50 fare Hay baler JM press 50c fare 14ctn Boy milk 3 cows and work on ranch 50c fare Milker 24-28 cows run hand separator feed etc. Merced Co fare 4.25 Farmer and wife 5 people to cook for $45 fd There were also city jobs and railroad jobs. Another broadsheet, undated, was a Special list of corporations, syndicates, trusts and banking corporations jobs (all labor, not office) and had this ad in Spanish, German, Greek, French, Italian and Portuguese: Do you want secure and steady work? We need 100 Portuguese in 5 states and 2 territories, including all counties in California. If you want to work see Murray Ready. At the bottom of each ad it said In 1902 we found jobs for 45,000 men. Since we were on the subject I thought this might interest some folks. Mary Bordi -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work
Sam , If your grandfather was an American citizen, then a US State Dept record might be found at Ancestry. I can't find the database right now , but think it was in the Immigration section My great grandfather died in Lisbon in 1925 while on a trip to the Azores and Europe. I found sixteen pages of documents relating to it from the State Dept, US Consul, the Calfornia senator, and family attorneys in Oakland. It seems the Portuguese government didn't want to have it proved he was a US citizen so they could keep his money. I have a copy of the passport he filed for this trip with his naturalization papers attached. They wouldn't release his death certificate to the US Consul, so the US State Dept couldn't release his Citizenship papers. It was a stand off and the Portuguese government won. It was a lot of money, as he had sold his house, and was starting a year long European tour. Eric Edgar On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Sam Koester sam...@surewest.net wrote: Yes, life was so different for our ancestors. Hard to imagine what it was really like for them. My granddad went back to the Azores for a visit and died there. I have no when that happened or what he died from. Would love to know for sure what type of mine he worked at but; guess I never will… *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *nancy jean baptiste *Sent:* Friday, January 28, 2011 2:11 PM *To:* azores group *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Sam, Your link is interesting.it mentions so many nationalities working in the mines...no Portuguese even mentioned. I can only imagine the levels of toxicity in a cinnebar mine! I wonder what the life expectancy of the miners was at the time. Nancy Jean -- From: sam...@surewest.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:43:15 -0700 Eric and Mary, In case you are interested, I found this information that might have something to do with my granddad’s mining work….. http://www.historysanjose.org/neighborhoods/newalmaden/index.html Sam in Maz *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *eric edgar *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:36 AM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Sam, Over the hills from Milpitas to me means following Calaveras Road east into the Diablo Range south of Livermore, This has long been a mining district. Coal was mined at Tesla and Corral Hollow, Magnesite at the Red Mountain district farther south. Magnesite is used in steel and rubber production. It could have also meant the New Almaden quicksilver mines south of San Jose. Mercurey Sulfide (Cinnabar) has been mined here since 1845. Eric Edgar On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Sam Koester sam...@surewest.net wrote: I don't think this is too off subjectMy father told me his dad used to walk over the hill to the mines. At this point in time they lived in either Milpitas (San Jose, CA area). I think, from the back of my mind, that it was a sulfur mine. Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks, Sam in Maz -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Bordi Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:59 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Regarding Brokers and Jobbers-- I got an broadsheet published by Murray and Ready, SF California in August 1905 that advertised (their words not mine) White male help of all kinds furnished free of charge. It was issued four times daily and I imagine posted various places for people to see and sent to outlying areas, perhaps. All sorts of jobs were listed by category, such as waiters, blacksmiths, cooks, laborers, ranch hands, Saw mills, boys, married help etc. Something that might have appealed to our Azorean ancestors might be: Man run gang plow s. Joaquin Co. $1.25 day bd 4 Teamsters 2 horses Solano Co $1.50 fare Hay baler JM press 50c fare 14ctn Boy milk 3 cows and work on ranch 50c fare Milker 24-28 cows run hand separator feed etc. Merced Co fare 4.25 Farmer and wife 5 people to cook for $45 fd There were also city jobs and railroad jobs. Another broadsheet, undated, was a Special list of corporations, syndicates, trusts and banking corporations jobs (all labor, not office) and had this ad in Spanish, German, Greek, French, Italian and Portuguese: Do you want secure and steady work? We need 100 Portuguese in 5 states and 2 territories, including all counties in California. If you want to work see Murray Ready. At the bottom of each ad it said In 1902 we found jobs for 45,000 men. Since we were on the subject I thought this might
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work
Eric; Thanks for this information. Interesting that from what you and Mary have shared with me, there were no sulfur mines in the area. I thought that my dad had said his dad worked in the sulfur mines. Maybe it was the Mercury Sulfide mines and he got confused... I only know that I picture my grandfather making that long hike over the hills to work in mines and I shake my head at the tenacity of our ancestors. Thanks again to both you and Mary for your information. Sam in Maz From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of eric edgar Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:36 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Sam, Over the hills from Milpitas to me means following Calaveras Road east into the Diablo Range south of Livermore, This has long been a mining district. Coal was mined at Tesla and Corral Hollow, Magnesite at the Red Mountain district farther south. Magnesite is used in steel and rubber production. It could have also meant the New Almaden quicksilver mines south of San Jose. Mercurey Sulfide (Cinnabar) has been mined here since 1845. Eric Edgar On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Sam Koester sam...@surewest.net wrote: I don't think this is too off subjectMy father told me his dad used to walk over the hill to the mines. At this point in time they lived in either Milpitas (San Jose, CA area). I think, from the back of my mind, that it was a sulfur mine. Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks, Sam in Maz -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Bordi Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:59 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Regarding Brokers and Jobbers-- I got an broadsheet published by Murray and Ready, SF California in August 1905 that advertised (their words not mine) White male help of all kinds furnished free of charge. It was issued four times daily and I imagine posted various places for people to see and sent to outlying areas, perhaps. All sorts of jobs were listed by category, such as waiters, blacksmiths, cooks, laborers, ranch hands, Saw mills, boys, married help etc. Something that might have appealed to our Azorean ancestors might be: Man run gang plow s. Joaquin Co. $1.25 day bd 4 Teamsters 2 horses Solano Co $1.50 fare Hay baler JM press 50c fare 14ctn Boy milk 3 cows and work on ranch 50c fare Milker 24-28 cows run hand separator feed etc. Merced Co fare 4.25 Farmer and wife 5 people to cook for $45 fd There were also city jobs and railroad jobs. Another broadsheet, undated, was a Special list of corporations, syndicates, trusts and banking corporations jobs (all labor, not office) and had this ad in Spanish, German, Greek, French, Italian and Portuguese: Do you want secure and steady work? We need 100 Portuguese in 5 states and 2 territories, including all counties in California. If you want to work see Murray Ready. At the bottom of each ad it said In 1902 we found jobs for 45,000 men. Since we were on the subject I thought this might interest some folks. Mary Bordi -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join
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Sam, Check out this page describing mine in the Leona Heights area of East Oakland. http://oaklandgeology.wordpress.com/2008/05/25/sulfur-mine-creek/ Eric On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Sam Koester sam...@surewest.net wrote: Eric; Thanks for this information. Interesting that from what you and Mary have shared with me, there were no sulfur mines in the area. I thought that my dad had said his dad worked in the sulfur mines. Maybe it was the Mercury Sulfide mines and he got confused….. I only know that I picture my grandfather making that long hike over the hills to work in mines and I shake my head at the tenacity of our ancestors. Thanks again to both you and Mary for your information. Sam in Maz *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *eric edgar *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:36 AM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Sam, Over the hills from Milpitas to me means following Calaveras Road east into the Diablo Range south of Livermore, This has long been a mining district. Coal was mined at Tesla and Corral Hollow, Magnesite at the Red Mountain district farther south. Magnesite is used in steel and rubber production. It could have also meant the New Almaden quicksilver mines south of San Jose. Mercurey Sulfide (Cinnabar) has been mined here since 1845. Eric Edgar On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Sam Koester sam...@surewest.net wrote: I don't think this is too off subjectMy father told me his dad used to walk over the hill to the mines. At this point in time they lived in either Milpitas (San Jose, CA area). I think, from the back of my mind, that it was a sulfur mine. Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks, Sam in Maz -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Bordi Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:59 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Regarding Brokers and Jobbers-- I got an broadsheet published by Murray and Ready, SF California in August 1905 that advertised (their words not mine) White male help of all kinds furnished free of charge. It was issued four times daily and I imagine posted various places for people to see and sent to outlying areas, perhaps. All sorts of jobs were listed by category, such as waiters, blacksmiths, cooks, laborers, ranch hands, Saw mills, boys, married help etc. Something that might have appealed to our Azorean ancestors might be: Man run gang plow s. Joaquin Co. $1.25 day bd 4 Teamsters 2 horses Solano Co $1.50 fare Hay baler JM press 50c fare 14ctn Boy milk 3 cows and work on ranch 50c fare Milker 24-28 cows run hand separator feed etc. Merced Co fare 4.25 Farmer and wife 5 people to cook for $45 fd There were also city jobs and railroad jobs. Another broadsheet, undated, was a Special list of corporations, syndicates, trusts and banking corporations jobs (all labor, not office) and had this ad in Spanish, German, Greek, French, Italian and Portuguese: Do you want secure and steady work? We need 100 Portuguese in 5 states and 2 territories, including all counties in California. If you want to work see Murray Ready. At the bottom of each ad it said In 1902 we found jobs for 45,000 men. Since we were on the subject I thought this might interest some folks. Mary Bordi -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comazores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comazores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comazores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send
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Here's more *LEONA SULPHUR MINES 1906* In 1906 the Leona Heights sulphur mines were opened east of the Laundry Farm Canyon. A bunker was built at The Car Barn site in the Laundry Farm Canyon, which connected aerial cable tramways to the sulphur mines, and later rock quarries, in the hills above. The mines were the project of *Francis Marion 'Borax' Smith*, who made a fortune in Oakland, but fell into bankruptcy in 1913. The sulphur mines frequently caught fire, and had to be abandoned. With miles of tunnels, they were played out by 1929. The creeks were forever polluted with sulphur after that. In 1997, the surface asphalt of nearby Redwood Road was badly eaten away by sulphuric acid that bubbled up from the underground springs for a few weeks. No environmental remediation was done in those days, so the sterile mine tailings remain today, piled some 150 feet high at the head of Leona Creek. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:59 AM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: Sam, Check out this page describing mine in the Leona Heights area of East Oakland. http://oaklandgeology.wordpress.com/2008/05/25/sulfur-mine-creek/ Eric On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Sam Koester sam...@surewest.netwrote: Eric; Thanks for this information. Interesting that from what you and Mary have shared with me, there were no sulfur mines in the area. I thought that my dad had said his dad worked in the sulfur mines. Maybe it was the Mercury Sulfide mines and he got confused….. I only know that I picture my grandfather making that long hike over the hills to work in mines and I shake my head at the tenacity of our ancestors. Thanks again to both you and Mary for your information. Sam in Maz *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *eric edgar *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:36 AM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Sam, Over the hills from Milpitas to me means following Calaveras Road east into the Diablo Range south of Livermore, This has long been a mining district. Coal was mined at Tesla and Corral Hollow, Magnesite at the Red Mountain district farther south. Magnesite is used in steel and rubber production. It could have also meant the New Almaden quicksilver mines south of San Jose. Mercurey Sulfide (Cinnabar) has been mined here since 1845. Eric Edgar On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Sam Koester sam...@surewest.net wrote: I don't think this is too off subjectMy father told me his dad used to walk over the hill to the mines. At this point in time they lived in either Milpitas (San Jose, CA area). I think, from the back of my mind, that it was a sulfur mine. Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks, Sam in Maz -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Bordi Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:59 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Regarding Brokers and Jobbers-- I got an broadsheet published by Murray and Ready, SF California in August 1905 that advertised (their words not mine) White male help of all kinds furnished free of charge. It was issued four times daily and I imagine posted various places for people to see and sent to outlying areas, perhaps. All sorts of jobs were listed by category, such as waiters, blacksmiths, cooks, laborers, ranch hands, Saw mills, boys, married help etc. Something that might have appealed to our Azorean ancestors might be: Man run gang plow s. Joaquin Co. $1.25 day bd 4 Teamsters 2 horses Solano Co $1.50 fare Hay baler JM press 50c fare 14ctn Boy milk 3 cows and work on ranch 50c fare Milker 24-28 cows run hand separator feed etc. Merced Co fare 4.25 Farmer and wife 5 people to cook for $45 fd There were also city jobs and railroad jobs. Another broadsheet, undated, was a Special list of corporations, syndicates, trusts and banking corporations jobs (all labor, not office) and had this ad in Spanish, German, Greek, French, Italian and Portuguese: Do you want secure and steady work? We need 100 Portuguese in 5 states and 2 territories, including all counties in California. If you want to work see Murray Ready. At the bottom of each ad it said In 1902 we found jobs for 45,000 men. Since we were on the subject I thought this might interest some folks. Mary Bordi -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comazores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership
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Eric; Very interesting. I don't think though, that this is where my day meant his dad walked to. Dad was pointing over the hill south rather than north and we were on Sierra Rd. in the San Jose hills at the time. Don't know if I mentioned in my previous post or not but; my dad said my grandfather used to have to be very careful on payday because there would be bandits/muggers who would try to rob him on his walk home. My granddad, from the picture I have of him and the description, was a small man so, I don't imagine he stood much of a chance against the muggers. Thanks again for the link and information. Sam in Maz From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of eric edgar Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:01 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Here's more LEONA SULPHUR MINES 1906 In 1906 the Leona Heights sulphur mines were opened east of the Laundry Farm Canyon. A bunker was built at The Car Barn site in the Laundry Farm Canyon, which connected aerial cable tramways to the sulphur mines, and later rock quarries, in the hills above. The mines were the project of Francis Marion 'Borax' Smith, who made a fortune in Oakland, but fell into bankruptcy in 1913. The sulphur mines frequently caught fire, and had to be abandoned. With miles of tunnels, they were played out by 1929. The creeks were forever polluted with sulphur after that. In 1997, the surface asphalt of nearby Redwood Road was badly eaten away by sulphuric acid that bubbled up from the underground springs for a few weeks. No environmental remediation was done in those days, so the sterile mine tailings remain today, piled some 150 feet high at the head of Leona Creek. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:59 AM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: Sam, Check out this page describing mine in the Leona Heights area of East Oakland. http://oaklandgeology.wordpress.com/2008/05/25/sulfur-mine-creek/ Eric On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Sam Koester sam...@surewest.net wrote: Eric; Thanks for this information. Interesting that from what you and Mary have shared with me, there were no sulfur mines in the area. I thought that my dad had said his dad worked in the sulfur mines. Maybe it was the Mercury Sulfide mines and he got confused... I only know that I picture my grandfather making that long hike over the hills to work in mines and I shake my head at the tenacity of our ancestors. Thanks again to both you and Mary for your information. Sam in Maz From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of eric edgar Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:36 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Sam, Over the hills from Milpitas to me means following Calaveras Road east into the Diablo Range south of Livermore, This has long been a mining district. Coal was mined at Tesla and Corral Hollow, Magnesite at the Red Mountain district farther south. Magnesite is used in steel and rubber production. It could have also meant the New Almaden quicksilver mines south of San Jose. Mercurey Sulfide (Cinnabar) has been mined here since 1845. Eric Edgar On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Sam Koester sam...@surewest.net wrote: I don't think this is too off subjectMy father told me his dad used to walk over the hill to the mines. At this point in time they lived in either Milpitas (San Jose, CA area). I think, from the back of my mind, that it was a sulfur mine. Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks, Sam in Maz -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Bordi Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:59 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Regarding Brokers and Jobbers-- I got an broadsheet published by Murray and Ready, SF California in August 1905 that advertised (their words not mine) White male help of all kinds furnished free of charge. It was issued four times daily and I imagine posted various places for people to see and sent to outlying areas, perhaps. All sorts of jobs were listed by category, such as waiters, blacksmiths, cooks, laborers, ranch hands, Saw mills, boys, married help etc. Something that might have appealed to our Azorean ancestors might be: Man run gang plow s. Joaquin Co. $1.25 day bd 4 Teamsters 2 horses Solano Co $1.50 fare Hay baler JM press 50c fare 14ctn Boy milk 3 cows and work on ranch 50c fare Milker 24-28 cows run hand separator feed etc. Merced Co fare 4.25 Farmer and wife 5 people to cook for $45 fd There were also city jobs and railroad jobs. Another broadsheet, undated, was a Special list of corporations, syndicates, trusts and banking corporations jobs (all labor, not office) and had this ad in Spanish, German, Greek, French, Italian
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Eric and Mary, In case you are interested, I found this information that might have something to do with my granddad's mining work... http://www.historysanjose.org/neighborhoods/newalmaden/index.html Sam in Maz From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of eric edgar Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:36 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Sam, Over the hills from Milpitas to me means following Calaveras Road east into the Diablo Range south of Livermore, This has long been a mining district. Coal was mined at Tesla and Corral Hollow, Magnesite at the Red Mountain district farther south. Magnesite is used in steel and rubber production. It could have also meant the New Almaden quicksilver mines south of San Jose. Mercurey Sulfide (Cinnabar) has been mined here since 1845. Eric Edgar On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Sam Koester sam...@surewest.net wrote: I don't think this is too off subjectMy father told me his dad used to walk over the hill to the mines. At this point in time they lived in either Milpitas (San Jose, CA area). I think, from the back of my mind, that it was a sulfur mine. Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks, Sam in Maz -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Bordi Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:59 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Regarding Brokers and Jobbers-- I got an broadsheet published by Murray and Ready, SF California in August 1905 that advertised (their words not mine) White male help of all kinds furnished free of charge. It was issued four times daily and I imagine posted various places for people to see and sent to outlying areas, perhaps. All sorts of jobs were listed by category, such as waiters, blacksmiths, cooks, laborers, ranch hands, Saw mills, boys, married help etc. Something that might have appealed to our Azorean ancestors might be: Man run gang plow s. Joaquin Co. $1.25 day bd 4 Teamsters 2 horses Solano Co $1.50 fare Hay baler JM press 50c fare 14ctn Boy milk 3 cows and work on ranch 50c fare Milker 24-28 cows run hand separator feed etc. Merced Co fare 4.25 Farmer and wife 5 people to cook for $45 fd There were also city jobs and railroad jobs. Another broadsheet, undated, was a Special list of corporations, syndicates, trusts and banking corporations jobs (all labor, not office) and had this ad in Spanish, German, Greek, French, Italian and Portuguese: Do you want secure and steady work? We need 100 Portuguese in 5 states and 2 territories, including all counties in California. If you want to work see Murray Ready. At the bottom of each ad it said In 1902 we found jobs for 45,000 men. Since we were on the subject I thought this might interest some folks. Mary Bordi -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
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Mary, Thank you for this information. My grandfather was a relatively small man, from the information I have found, and the idea of him working in a mine has always been a curious one to me. I will have to lookup quicksilver mining and learn what it entails. Thanks again, Sam in Maz -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Bordi Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 10:36 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work On Jan 24, 2011, at 5:56 PM, Sam Koester wrote: I don't think this is too off subjectMy father told me his dad used to walk over the hill to the mines. At this point in time they lived in either Milpitas (San Jose, CA area). I think, from the back of my mind, that it was a sulfur mine. Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks, Sam in Maz There were quicksilver mines in Almaden (or maybe they called it New Almaden)--now part of San Jose. That is on the western side of the Santa Clara valley. There may have been other mines in the mountains on the eastern side of the Santa Clara valley, too, in the Mt. Hamilton area. But that seems like more than just over the hill! Mary Bordi -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
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Regarding Brokers and Jobbers-- I got an broadsheet published by Murray and Ready, SF California in August 1905 that advertised (their words not mine) White male help of all kinds furnished free of charge. It was issued four times daily and I imagine posted various places for people to see and sent to outlying areas, perhaps. All sorts of jobs were listed by category, such as waiters, blacksmiths, cooks, laborers, ranch hands, Saw mills, boys, married help etc. Something that might have appealed to our Azorean ancestors might be: Man run gang plow s. Joaquin Co. $1.25 day bd 4 Teamsters 2 horses Solano Co $1.50 fare Hay baler JM press 50c fare 14ctn Boy milk 3 cows and work on ranch 50c fare Milker 24-28 cows run hand separator feed etc. Merced Co fare 4.25 Farmer and wife 5 people to cook for $45 fd There were also city jobs and railroad jobs. Another broadsheet, undated, was a Special list of corporations, syndicates, trusts and banking corporations jobs (all labor, not office) and had this ad in Spanish, German, Greek, French, Italian and Portuguese: Do you want secure and steady work? We need 100 Portuguese in 5 states and 2 territories, including all counties in California. If you want to work see Murray Ready. At the bottom of each ad it said In 1902 we found jobs for 45,000 men. Since we were on the subject I thought this might interest some folks. Mary Bordi -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
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I don't think this is too off subjectMy father told me his dad used to walk over the hill to the mines. At this point in time they lived in either Milpitas (San Jose, CA area). I think, from the back of my mind, that it was a sulfur mine. Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks, Sam in Maz -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Bordi Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:59 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Regarding Brokers and Jobbers-- I got an broadsheet published by Murray and Ready, SF California in August 1905 that advertised (their words not mine) White male help of all kinds furnished free of charge. It was issued four times daily and I imagine posted various places for people to see and sent to outlying areas, perhaps. All sorts of jobs were listed by category, such as waiters, blacksmiths, cooks, laborers, ranch hands, Saw mills, boys, married help etc. Something that might have appealed to our Azorean ancestors might be: Man run gang plow s. Joaquin Co. $1.25 day bd 4 Teamsters 2 horses Solano Co $1.50 fare Hay baler JM press 50c fare 14ctn Boy milk 3 cows and work on ranch 50c fare Milker 24-28 cows run hand separator feed etc. Merced Co fare 4.25 Farmer and wife 5 people to cook for $45 fd There were also city jobs and railroad jobs. Another broadsheet, undated, was a Special list of corporations, syndicates, trusts and banking corporations jobs (all labor, not office) and had this ad in Spanish, German, Greek, French, Italian and Portuguese: Do you want secure and steady work? We need 100 Portuguese in 5 states and 2 territories, including all counties in California. If you want to work see Murray Ready. At the bottom of each ad it said In 1902 we found jobs for 45,000 men. Since we were on the subject I thought this might interest some folks. Mary Bordi -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
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is there anyway you could scan the broadsheet and attach a copy? Edward Rodrigues Mary Bordi geneal...@hununu.org On Jan 24, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Mary Bordi wrote: Regarding Brokers and Jobbers-- I got an broadsheet published by Murray and Ready, SF California in August 1905 that advertised (their words not mine) White male help of all kinds furnished free of charge. It was issued four times daily and I imagine posted various places for people to see and sent to outlying areas, perhaps. All sorts of jobs were listed by category, such as waiters, blacksmiths, cooks, laborers, ranch hands, Saw mills, boys, married help etc. Something that might have appealed to our Azorean ancestors might be: Man run gang plow s. Joaquin Co. $1.25 day bd 4 Teamsters 2 horses Solano Co $1.50 fare Hay baler JM press 50c fare 14ctn Boy milk 3 cows and work on ranch 50c fare Milker 24-28 cows run hand separator feed etc. Merced Co fare 4.25 Farmer and wife 5 people to cook for $45 fd There were also city jobs and railroad jobs. Another broadsheet, undated, was a Special list of corporations, syndicates, trusts and banking corporations jobs (all labor, not office) and had this ad in Spanish, German, Greek, French, Italian and Portuguese: Do you want secure and steady work? We need 100 Portuguese in 5 states and 2 territories, including all counties in California. If you want to work see Murray Ready. At the bottom of each ad it said In 1902 we found jobs for 45,000 men. Since we were on the subject I thought this might interest some folks. Mary Bordi -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
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On Jan 24, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Edward Rodrigues wrote: is there anyway you could scan the broadsheet and attach a copy? That occurred to me as I was typing in the few examples I gave. The paper is larger than my scanner, so I would have to stitch two scans together. I will put it on my list of things to do. I know it was really interesting to me and I would love to share with anyone else who is interested. In fact, the papers themselves have been folded for many years and scanning them would at least preserve the information on them and save folding and unfolding in order to access that info. Mary Bordi PS If I don't get around to it in a month or so and anyone remembers, send me a reminder! -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
