Re: [backstage] Movies Data

2007-01-31 Thread Robert Kerry
Hi Kim, On 30/01/07, Kim Plowright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW - stumbled across this last night http://www.bfi.org.uk/filmtvinfo/ftvdb/ Might be useful, or at least somewhere to poke to open up their data, too? (Did the Movies Data list get set up?) The BFI data looks a little harder to

[backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage ] RE: [backstage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? Click and Torrents)

2007-01-31 Thread Brian Butterworth
Brian Butterworth wrote: It permits you, as you keep quoting it, to make a recording of a broadcast to let you view or listen to it at a more convenient time (timeshifting); it does *not* let you make copies of that recording (sharing). As I said, and you ignored, above.

Re: [backstage] Hosting (Slightly OT)

2007-01-31 Thread James Cridland
On 1/30/07, Davy Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Thought this might be the ideal crowd... I am looking for a free (or cheap) hosting for MP3 files for my various auto-generated podcasts such as Mood News and comp.lang.python. Not free, but certainly very, very cheap and hellishly

[backstage] BBC Web API - additional audio formats // additional speed descriptors

2007-01-31 Thread James Cridland
http://www0.rdthdo.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/api/query.pl?method=bbc.channel.getLocationschannel_id=BBCROneformat=simple ...defines real-audio multicast-real multicast-aac ...as location types. Virgin Radio will support this API shortly; but we need additional audio formats for this - possibly

RE: [backstage] Movies Data

2007-01-31 Thread Kim Plowright
Hmn, well, the BFI is... Is it government funded? I'm not sure (checks site) Total income remained consistent at £30.9m. Grant-in-Aid income from the UK Film Council, at £14.5m, was unchanged from 2003, except that £1.33m of the 2005 grant was paid-over ahead of schedule in 2004 and is shown

[backstage] BBC Trust reaches Provisional Conclusions on BBC on-demand proposals

2007-01-31 Thread Jeremy Stone
For those following the DRM/Player thread on this list will want to know that the BBC Trust this morning reached provisional conclusions on BBC on-demand proposals. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/news/press-releases/31-01-2007.html The headline is that Our (BBC Trust) view is that the BBC's new

[backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-01-31 Thread Brian Butterworth
BBC Trust gives iPlayer the go ahead Jessica Rogers 11:00am (Broadcast) The BBC Trust has given the go ahead to the corporation's new on-demand services, including the controversial iPlayer, but has made major changes to a number of key features the BBC executive proposed. Changes proposed

[backstage] Re: disability, accessibility Movies Data

2007-01-31 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
Re: disability, accessibility Movies Data you might want to consider including data scraped from http:// www.disabilityfilms.co.uk/ not a business afaik despite the uri cheers Jonathan Chetwynd - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-01-31 Thread James Cridland
On 1/31/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC Trust gives iPlayer the go ahead Jessica Rogers 11:00am (Broadcast) This is a better link - it gives rather more detail (and isn't Emap's copyright either!): http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/news/press-releases/31-01-2007.html

Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? Click and Torrents)

2007-01-31 Thread James Cridland
On 1/30/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Metaphors that compare digital data to physical objects are almost always confusion. Agreed. Stealing is stealing, copying is copying. Stealing is not copying. Not agreed. But then, you might be confusing physical objects with data. (!)

Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? Click and Torrents)

2007-01-31 Thread Dave Crossland
On 31/01/07, James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/30/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Metaphors that compare digital data to physical objects are almost always confusion. Agreed. :-) Stealing is stealing, copying is copying. Stealing is not copying. Not agreed. But

Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-01-31 Thread Dave Crossland
On 31/01/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Trust has also asked the executive to adopt a platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer. ... for example Apple Macs What about GNU+Linux users, who are reputedly a larger userbase than OS X users? :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the

RE: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-01-31 Thread Andrew Bowden
The Trust has also asked the executive to adopt a platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer. The original proposal for the service would have meant it was only available to Microsoft users but the Trust's proposal will require them to develop an alternative framework which will allow

Re: [backstage] Movies Data

2007-01-31 Thread Kirk Northrop
Robert Kerry wrote: UCLAP has been put on hold after someone from the PA contacted me and is currently looking to make their cinema listings available to us. Apparently he's in talks with Ian or someone else at backstage, although UCLAP can be restarted if the deal falls through. Cool, let us

RE: [backstage] Five Live Partnership - get your

2007-01-31 Thread Timothy-john Bishop
It's also one reason why BBCi doesn't assign page numbers to individual stories (there are other, more boring reasons as well!) Please do! I find this really interesting, for example News South West is 1670. what happens when we get the interactive streaming of Local TV? -- This email is

[backstage] OFCOM PSP document

2007-01-31 Thread Ian Forrester
Also for those following the DRM thread on the list. (I know its getting all a little overwhelming) You may also be very interested in the OFCOM PSP document (OFCOM Review of Public Service Broadcasting) which outlines OFCOM's view of the changing digital landscape. Its still a recommendation

[backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] £1.2 billion que stion (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? C lick and Torrents)

2007-01-31 Thread Josh at GoUK.com
If you make furniture, the fact that furniture-duplication wands are invented does not give you the right to restrict people from duplicating chairs. No, but I should have the rights to restrict people from duplicating MY chairs. That makes no sense. No chair is unique. They all

Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? Click and Torrents)

2007-01-31 Thread James Cridland
On 1/31/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you make furniture, the fact that furniture-duplication wands are invented does not give you the right to restrict people from duplicating chairs. No, but I should have the rights to restrict people from duplicating MY chairs. I'm

RE: [backstage] BarCampLondon2 signup now live

2007-01-31 Thread Ian Forrester
Raj the tickets are not over. They are being given out in waves, so if you keep an eye on the barcamp wiki you might be lucky enough to get one when the next wave go out. Please don't ask when the next wave will be :) Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || cubicgarden.com || geekdinner.co.uk

Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-01-31 Thread Colin Moorcraft
I find the Trust's wording careful - and wise. It establishes a desirable goal - platform agnosticism - without constraining how that is achieved. It opens up doors to third parties (e.g. alternatives to Microsoft- or Apple-only DRM) to take independent initiatives regardless of the BBC

RE: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-01-31 Thread Kim Plowright
Read the press release, penguinista! :) This requires the BBC to develop an alternative DRM framework to enable users of other technology, for example, Apple and Linux, to access the on-demand... http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/news/press-releases/31-01-2007.html -Original Message- From:

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2007-01-31 Thread Nic James Ferrier
James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, but I should have the rights to restrict people from duplicating MY chairs. I'm not sure... I don't think you should have that right if the means of protecting it is detrimental to society. Why should society accept that a device like the personal

RE: [backstage] BBC Web API - additional audio formats // additional speed descriptors

2007-01-31 Thread Pete Cole
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cridland Sent: 31 January 2007 11:24 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] BBC Web API - additional audio formats // additional speed descriptors snip Secondly, we also

Re: [backstage] BBC Trust reaches Provisional Conclusions on BBC on-demand proposals

2007-01-31 Thread vijay chopra
Hi Jeremy, From your first link: This requires the BBC to develop an alternative DRM framework to enable users of other technology, for example, Apple and Linux, to access the on-demand services. They do realise that this will be virtually impossible, don't they? any iPlayer client that offers

Re: [backstage] OFCOM PSP document

2007-01-31 Thread vijay chopra
You may also be very interested in the OFCOM PSP document The OFCOM DS and OFCOM DS Lite is outselling the OFCOM PSP by miles though... *Sorry* *Ducks*

Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-01-31 Thread vijay chopra
This requires the BBC to develop an alternative DRM framework to enable users of other technology, for example, Apple and Linux, to access the on-demand... I'm now taking bets on how soon BBC DRM is cracked. Seriously, do the people who wrote that paragraph seriously think that they can better

Re: [backstage] BarCampLondon2 signup now live

2007-01-31 Thread Raj Anand
Thanks for that Ian - I wish I could put the availability of the tickets on my RSS feeder :) (I guess if it was available as RSS all tickets will be gone in a few minutes :) ) Cheers, Raj On 1/31/07, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raj the tickets are not over. They are being given

Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? Click and Torrents)

2007-01-31 Thread Richard Lockwood
On 1/31/07, Josh at GoUK.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you make furniture, the fact that furniture-duplication wands are invented does not give you the right to restrict people from duplicating chairs. No, but I should have the rights to restrict people from duplicating MY chairs.

Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-01-31 Thread vijay chopra
The Trust will require the BBC Executive to adopt a platform-agnostic approach within a reasonable timeframe. This requires the BBC to develop an alternative DRM framework to enable users of other technology, for example, Apple and Linux, to access the on-demand services. Can anyone tell me if

RE: [backstage] £1.2 billion question ( or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? C lick and Torrents)

2007-01-31 Thread Stephen Miller
This I feel is one of the main sticking points which leads to the current trends in litigation. Media groups tend to equate a download with a (potential) lost sale. This is just not the case. Many people who download, especially cross borders may discover television from other countries to

Re: [backstage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? Click and Torrents)

2007-01-31 Thread James Cridland
This is a splendidly informed debate, incidentally. I'm enjoying it. On 1/31/07, Stephen Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Media groups tend to equate a download with a (potential) lost sale. This is just not the case. Many people who download, especially cross borders may discover television

Re: [backstage] BarCampLondon2 signup now live

2007-01-31 Thread Mr I Forrester
Raj Anand wrote: Thanks for that Ian - I wish I could put the availability of the tickets on my RSS feeder :) (I guess if it was available as RSS all tickets will be gone in a few minutes :) ) Cheers, Raj Got it in one. If it was RSS it would be minutes rather than hours. Ian - Sent via

Re: [backstage] £1.2 billion question ( or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? C lick and Torrents)

2007-01-31 Thread Mr I Forrester
Just incase you all haven't seen it already - This whole thing got Slashdotted - http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/31/1947229from=rss An anonymous reader writes /The BBC reports that following approval from the BBC Trust (an independent oversight body) they are now allowed to release

Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-01-31 Thread George Wright
On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 20:07 +, vijay chopra wrote: And I'm sure the proposal for Linux DRM will go down well in the FLOSS community, as well as a lead balloon anyway. Well, Linus seems to think it's OK... http://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/2003042401126OSKNLL I can see the slashdot