Re: [backstage] What's going on with the News 24 live stream?

2007-11-19 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 18/11/2007, Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Butterworth wrote: Givem the original is at 25fps, why not encode at that in fact? 50fps. ;-) (Pedantic, but important...) If you are going to be pedantic, at least be right! UKTV (and all in Europe) is 25 frames a second I

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

2007-11-19 Thread Brian Butterworth
Barry. The PRS and MCPS are legally responsible in the UK, see: http://www.mcps-prs-alliance.co.uk/playingbroadcastingonline/Pages/default.aspx On 18/11/2007, Barry Carlyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings all, Whilst working at my local student bar/restaurant, I was listening to

Re: [backstage] Require Information on BBC Content

2007-11-19 Thread Brian Butterworth
*I had been surfing the backstage website for a while. I was not able to = find information on how to syndicate full text content. I was able to = see a page with list of RSS feeds and they all provide only headlines = and not full text. * Only the summary text is syndicated *Kindly let me know

Re: [backstage] What's going on with the News 24 live stream?

2007-11-19 Thread Steve Jolly
Martin Deutsch wrote: On Nov 18, 2007 11:43 PM, Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Butterworth wrote: Givem the original is at 25fps, why not encode at that in fact? 50fps. ;-) (Pedantic, but important...) Surely that just depends on

Re: [backstage] What's going on with the News 24 live stream?

2007-11-19 Thread Martin Deutsch
On 11/19/07, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha :D Anyway, the cameras they were using had the holographic BBC HD logo plastered along the side of them, so things are looking up - unless they're just old skool SD cameras with a chavlike shopping list down the side of them! I

Re: [backstage] What's going on with the News 24 live stream?

2007-11-19 Thread Steve Jolly
Christopher Woods wrote: Anyway, the cameras they were using had the holographic BBC HD logo plastered along the side of them, so things are looking up - unless they're just old skool SD cameras with a chavlike shopping list down the side of them! I wonder if the N24 cameras are similarly

RE: [backstage] Require Information on BBC Content

2007-11-19 Thread imran.sheriff
Hi, I am finding hard on the readability aspect on that site http://backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk . Am finding bit difficult on what I can do with the backstage service. Hence the email. Thanks, Imran Sheriff From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

2007-11-19 Thread Nick Reynolds-AMi
OFCOM don't regulate the podcast itself because they don't regulate the internet - only the original radio programme From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Cashmore Sent: 18 November 2007 23:08 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk;

Re: [backstage] What's going on with the News 24 live stream?

2007-11-19 Thread Steve Jolly
Brian Butterworth wrote: If you are going to be pedantic, at least be right! UKTV (and all in Europe) is 25 frames a second I suspect yuou don't understand what interlaced means. I think I detect an impending semantic argument, so let me try and avoid it. You're (I think) defining a frame

[backstage] Fwd: [Fsfe-uk] Interview: Ashley Highfield on BBC's DRM'd iPlayer

2007-11-19 Thread Dave Crossland
:-) -- Forwarded message --From: Ciaran O'Riordan [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 19 Nov 2007 11:26Subject: [Fsfe-uk] Interview: Ashley Highfield on BBC's DRM'd iPlayerTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's a good interview on Groklaw with the head of the BBC divisionresponsible for the DRM'd

RE: [backstage] Fwd: [Fsfe-uk] Interview: Ashley Highfield on BBC's DRM'd iPlayer

2007-11-19 Thread Nick Reynolds-AMi
Also you can comment here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2007/11/groklaw_interview.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Crossland Sent: 19 November 2007 12:19 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Fwd:

Re: [backstage] Fwd: [Fsfe-uk] Interview: Ashley Highfield on BBC's DRM'd iPlayer

2007-11-19 Thread Dave Crossland
On 19/11/2007, Nick Reynolds-AMi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also you can comment here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2007/11/groklaw_interview.html Good point :-) Ashley said, Well, they started from the principle of, We just don'tknow the way this market is going to develop. We don't

RE: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

2007-11-19 Thread Matthew Cashmore
Somebody has kindly corrected me off-list with regards to the 'trial' of podcasts the iplayer PVT gave us regulatory permission to do non drm audio downloads in April -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Matthew Cashmore Sent: Sun 11/18/2007 23:08 To:

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

2007-11-19 Thread Dave Crossland
On 19/11/2007, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody has kindly corrected me off-list with regards to the 'trial' of podcasts the iplayer PVT gave us regulatory permission to do non drm audio downloads in April Awesome - now we just need the BBC to do non-patent encumbered

Re: [backstage] Fwd: [Fsfe-uk] Interview: Ashley Highfield on BBC's DRM'd iPlayer

2007-11-19 Thread David Greaves
davehaveyouanyideahowdifficultitistoreadyouremailstheylookquiteinterestingbutthelackofformattingandgeneralrunningtogetherrreallymakeslifedifficultforsomeofusonthelistDavid Dave Crossland wrote: On 19/11/2007, Nick Reynolds-AMi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also you can comment here:

RE: [backstage] Require Information on BBC Content

2007-11-19 Thread Matthew Cashmore
Hi Imran - I know a few people have replied off list with suggestions - but I wanted to reply to you here because I believe the information may be useful to others. The backstage site / project aims to help developers get access to the BBC's data and content - our moto is 'use our stuff to

Re: [backstage] Require Information on BBC Content

2007-11-19 Thread Tom Loosemore
On 19/11/2007, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Imran - I know a few people have replied off list with suggestions - but I wanted to reply to you here because I believe the information may be useful to others. The backstage site / project aims to help developers get access to

Re: [backstage] Fwd: [Fsfe-uk] Interview: Ashley Highfield on BBC's DRM'd iPlayer

2007-11-19 Thread Dave Crossland
On 19/11/2007, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: avehaveyouanyideahowdifficultitistoreadyouremailsthey lookquiteinterestingbutthelackofformattingandgeneral runningtogetherrreallymakeslifedifficultforsomeofuson thelistDavid lol, I do apologise and hope this is better (CAPS EMPHASIS mine)

Re: [backstage] What's going on with the News 24 live stream?

2007-11-19 Thread Brian Butterworth
Steve, I was working from the assumption about the ~30fps comment that this was about frames not fields. All SD UK TV is interlaced, with the exeption of telecinied content. NTSC content runs at 29.97fps, to stop strobing effects on the screen when near lightbulbs on the US 30Hz mains. On

Re: [backstage] Fwd: [Fsfe-uk] Interview: Ashley Highfield on BBC's DRM'd iPlayer

2007-11-19 Thread Michael Sparks
On Monday 19 November 2007 14:58, Dave Crossland wrote: GOODS THAT HAVE NO COST OF MANUFACTURE AND DISTRIBUTION Television programmes have zero cost? Crikey, I didn't realise people were so civil spirited. Incidentally, where can I get zero cost internet connectivity with unlimited upload

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

2007-11-19 Thread Dave Crossland
On 19/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, If the BBC podcasts are first prepared as PCM-encoded WAV files before being translated to the site, providing OggVobis version shouldn't be a problem, surely? The technical problems around providing OggVorbis version are the

[backstage] Freesat - oppotunistic data for podcasts

2007-11-19 Thread Brian Butterworth
Matt, Good afternoon. I posted a suggestion about doing backstage stuff for the upcoming Freesat project, presumably using MHEG5. I quite like the idea of using the opportunistic data facility - bandwidth that becomes usable in a lumpy way due to the way MPEG2/MPEG4 works. If the picture

RE: [backstage] Freesat - oppotunistic data for podcasts

2007-11-19 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
please, get me off your spamlist!!! Mr. Baker _ Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Brian Butterworth Verzonden: maandag 19 november 2007 15:53 Aan: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Onderwerp: [backstage] Freesat - oppotunistic data for podcasts Matt, Good

[backstage] Radio Labs plug

2007-11-19 Thread Simon Cross
Hi All, Not sure if you'd see this, but some of you might be interested http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/ Here at FMT AM, we've got our own departmental Blog where we write about the stuff we're working on, both for public release (betas etc) and as internal RnD projects. The big

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

2007-11-19 Thread Andy
On 19/11/2007, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Awesome - now we just need the BBC to do non-patent encumbered audio What? Software became patentable in the UK, damn I missed that one. Vorbis would be nice though, but MP3 is certainly better than the BBC's other favorite formats.

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

2007-11-19 Thread Andy Leighton
On Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 04:30:46PM +, Dave Crossland wrote: On 19/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, If the BBC podcasts are first prepared as PCM-encoded WAV files before being translated to the site, providing OggVobis version shouldn't be a problem, surely?

RE: [backstage] Radio Labs plug

2007-11-19 Thread Tristan Ferne
I'm also trying to get one of our team to post something on Radio Labs about the new music podcasts - what we're allowed to do and why we can now do it. Keep an eye out... Tristan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Simon Cross Sent: Mon 11/19/2007 5:09 PM To:

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

2007-11-19 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 19/11/2007, Andy Leighton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 04:30:46PM +, Dave Crossland wrote: On 19/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, If the BBC podcasts are first prepared as PCM-encoded WAV files before being translated to the

Re: [backstage] Fwd: [Fsfe-uk] Interview: Ashley Highfield on BBC's DRM'd iPlayer

2007-11-19 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 19/11/2007, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 19 November 2007 14:58, Dave Crossland wrote: GOODS THAT HAVE NO COST OF MANUFACTURE AND DISTRIBUTION Television programmes have zero cost? Crikey, I didn't realise people were so civil spirited. Incidentally, where can I

Re: [backstage] Fwd: [Fsfe-uk] Interview: Ashley Highfield on BBC's DRM'd iPlayer

2007-11-19 Thread Brian Butterworth
Sorry, I forgot the diagram... On 19/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19/11/2007, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 19 November 2007 14:58, Dave Crossland wrote: GOODS THAT HAVE NO COST OF MANUFACTURE AND DISTRIBUTION Television programmes

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

2007-11-19 Thread Dave Crossland
On 19/11/2007, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19/11/2007, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Awesome - now we just need the BBC to do non-patent encumbered audio What? Software became patentable in the UK, damn I missed that one. Software idea patents in some countries harm users of

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

2007-11-19 Thread Michael Sparks
On Monday 19 November 2007 17:31:26 Andy wrote: What? Software became patentable in the UK, damn I missed that one. Yes, software gets patented in Europe, including the UK, and has been for many years. For software to be patentable it generally has to sit inside a system and affect something

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

2007-11-19 Thread Dave Crossland
On 19/11/2007, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 19 November 2007 17:31:26 Andy wrote: What? Software became patentable in the UK, damn I missed that one. Yes, software gets patented in Europe, including the UK, and has been for many years. For software to be patentable it

RE: [backstage] Radio Labs plug

2007-11-19 Thread Christopher Woods
List needs moar Olinda info! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tristan Ferne Sent: 19 November 2007 18:15 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Radio Labs plug I'm also trying to get one of our team to post

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

2007-11-19 Thread Martin Belam
You see, I just somehow knew that giving away content including music for free, forever, at the point of delivery, to anyone, regardless of whether they had paid their Licence Fee or lived in the UK, *still* wasn't going to be good enough for some. [throws up hands in despair and backs way from

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

2007-11-19 Thread Dave Crossland
On 19/11/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You see, I just somehow knew that giving away content including music for free, forever, at the point of delivery, to anyone, regardless of whether they had paid their Licence Fee or lived in the UK, *still* wasn't going to be good enough

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

2007-11-19 Thread Dave Crossland
On 19/11/2007, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 19 November 2007 20:13:27 Dave Crossland wrote: Yes, its important to avoid the confusing term intellectual property and consider the laws that are grouped in that term on their own, since their purposes and details are

RE: [backstage] Require Information on BBC Content

2007-11-19 Thread Ian Forrester
currently as of right now the programme catalogue is not covered by the backstage licence. We have been pushing hard to get this back under the licence but right now it sits just outside our reach. Sorry people Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

2007-11-19 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 19/11/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You see, I just somehow knew that giving away content including music for free, forever, at the point of delivery, to anyone, regardless of whether they had paid their Licence Fee or lived in the UK, *still* wasn't going to be good enough

Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music

2007-11-19 Thread Richard Lockwood
On Nov 19, 2007 10:08 PM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19/11/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You see, I just somehow knew that giving away content including music for free, forever, at the point of delivery, to anyone, regardless of whether they had paid their