Re: [backstage] BBC Trust approves Project Canvas ...

2010-06-30 Thread David Tomlinson
Mo McRoberts wrote: Without the Canvas UX, you're not permitted to access any Canvas content. 4.62. Further, the Trust understood that, since the core technical specification for Canvas would be published, it would be open to manufacturers and platform operators either to adopt the

Re: [backstage] BBC Trust approves Project Canvas ...

2010-06-30 Thread Mo McRoberts
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:56, David Tomlinson d.tomlin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Without the Canvas UX, you're not permitted to access any Canvas content. That is, you can run a completely separate system based on the Canvas specs, but unless you implement the Canvas UX, you can't access the

Re: [backstage] BBC Trust approves Project Canvas ...

2010-06-30 Thread Alex Cockell
Yeah, but would that include the Mythtv project and other open source projects? Would the Linux community be able to build their own gear? And have access to everything? For instance, will there be scope for, say, a Canvas pvr to save out to a NAS frame on the local network? I don't

Re: [backstage] BBC Trust approves Project Canvas ...

2010-06-30 Thread David Tomlinson
Alex Cockell wrote: Yeah, but would that include the Mythtv project and other open source projects? Would the Linux community be able to build their own gear? And have access to everything? Yes. you might even get access to the Canvas UI if you request it. It is a legal obligation for the

Re: [backstage] BBC Trust approves Project Canvas ...

2010-06-30 Thread Mo McRoberts
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 14:03, David Tomlinson d.tomlin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: It is a legal obligation for the BBC (and other public service broadcasters) to make it's services available to the public and act in a non-discriminatory way to all third parties (in my view). ^ In *your*

Re: [backstage] BBC Trust approves Project Canvas ...

2010-06-30 Thread David Tomlinson
Mo McRoberts wrote: On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 14:03, David Tomlinson d.tomlin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: It is a legal obligation for the BBC (and other public service broadcasters) to make it's services available to the public and act in a non-discriminatory way to all third parties (in my view).

Re: [backstage] BBC Trust approves Project Canvas ...

2010-06-30 Thread Ian Stirling
David Tomlinson wrote: The costs of publishing a specification (as a text document or pdf) on a web site are low, comparable with the costs associated with handling individual complaints, about discrimination and lack of access. Earlier there was mention made of a 'cost recovery'. The

Re: [backstage] BBC Trust approves Project Canvas ...

2010-06-30 Thread David Tomlinson
Ian Stirling wrote: Earlier there was mention made of a 'cost recovery'. Cost recovery does not apply to distribution through the DTG. It would appear to be perverse to apply any cost recovery to a document distributed to the public over the internet. Development cost estimate: Twenty

Re: [backstage] BBC Trust approves Project Canvas ...

2010-06-29 Thread David Tomlinson
Alex Cockell wrote: As long as the possibility of an open-source implementation remains. Which is quite concerning at present. One should be able to build a Canvas receiver from *public* specs ultimately. The scale of lockdown is quigte worrying at the mo. Also inprove some of the

Re: [backstage] BBC Trust approves Project Canvas ...

2010-06-28 Thread Kieran Kunhya
Does anyone else see this as the BBC effectively bailing out other broadcasters by providing a common platform backed with licence fee funded content and development? No, this is what I'd expect the BBC to do. It serves the public when market-based squabbles over alternative

Re: [backstage] BBC Trust approves Project Canvas ...

2010-06-28 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 09:24, Frank Wales fr...@limov.com wrote: Kieran Kunhya wrote: Does anyone else see this as the BBC effectively bailing out other broadcasters by providing a common platform backed with licence fee funded content and development? No, this is what I'd expect the BBC

Re: [backstage] BBC Trust approves Project Canvas ...

2010-06-28 Thread Alex Cockell
- Original message - Kieran Kunhya wrote: No, this is what I'd expect the BBC to do. It serves the public when market-based squabbles over alternative technological platforms don't happen, and everyone just gets on with innovating atop a good-enough platform, rather than frittering

Re: [backstage] BBC Trust approves Project Canvas ...

2010-06-28 Thread Christian Ahlert
Hi all I am running a community and event series called MiniBar in London (Ian F. came quite often when he was still based in London). Its a community for tech entrepreneurs and developers. We are meeting once a month in the Truman Brewery with around 300 of us. I am hoping to one of our

[backstage] BBC Trust approves Project Canvas ...

2010-06-27 Thread David Greaves
Following on from discussion last september: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jun/25/project-canvas-bbc-trust -- Don't worry, you'll be fine; I saw it work in a cartoon once... - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

Re: [backstage] BBC Trust approves Project Canvas ...

2010-06-27 Thread Kieran Kunhya
Does anyone else see this as the BBC effectively bailing out other broadcasters by providing a common platform backed with licence fee funded content and development? It's unlikely such a wide group of companies would ever reach a consensus otherwise without the BBC. Anything similar would

Re: [backstage] BBC Trust approves Project Canvas ...

2010-06-27 Thread Fearghas McKay
On 27/06/2010 20:53, Kieran Kunhya wrote: Does anyone else see this as the BBC effectively bailing out other broadcasters by providing a common platform backed with licence fee funded content and development? It's unlikely such a wide group of companies would ever reach a consensus