Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide

2009-07-22 Thread Iain Wallace
Forgot to actually look at this. Looks fine on my G1. One minor interesting thing I have noticed though is I think due to the G1's browser and how it treats caching. I accessed the page in portrait and it looked fine, then rotated to landscape without reloading, which made a few things in the

Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide

2009-07-21 Thread Alun Rowe
On another mailing list I just received this. I hope you find it useful... (Plug time) We've got quite a lot of info on my site about Mobile web dev: http://dev.opera.com/articles/mobile/ Generally the advice is to try to build your web sites so they will work across mobile and desktop

Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide

2009-07-21 Thread Brian Butterworth
Thanks, I'll look into those. I just can't believe someone is suggesting I am against internet standards. I have gone on about them for longer than most people would have thought possible. I printed out my first RFCs on a teleprinter... lol 2009/7/21 Alun Rowe alun.r...@pentangle.co.uk On

Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide

2009-07-20 Thread Brian Butterworth
Right. After some considerable messing around, I have created a version of the WURFL system that works on the LAMP server I use. Well, I hope it does. If you have a mobile browser and a few seconds of time, can you point it to http://m.ukfree.tv to verify if your device gets recognised please?

Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide

2009-07-20 Thread Iain Wallace
Trying to match the style/layout of a site to the expected resolution of the device that you think is displaying it is going about it the wrong way - this is why CSS has percentage widths for doing layouts. Or is the question more about what you can send back to the server in order to choose an

Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide

2009-07-20 Thread Alun Rowe
I agree with the first paragraph and then you lose me beyond that. M.whatever.com serving mobile optimised pages using good CSS 'should' work on any platform. If you want to optimise per platform then go ahead but the return is low value IMO. The only platform I'd bother with is iPhone if I

Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide

2009-07-20 Thread Brian Butterworth
Ian, Yes, I agree. The width and height is of the maximum picture size. I'm going to use percentages in the CSS for the textual layout, but the images need to be the right size for the device, in particular the site header. And then there is the question of the phone supporting CSS! I was just

Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide

2009-07-20 Thread Brian Butterworth
2009/7/20 Alun Rowe alun.r...@pentangle.co.uk I agree with the first paragraph and then you lose me beyond that. M.whatever.com serving mobile optimised pages using good CSS 'should' work on any platform. If you want to optimise per platform then go ahead but the return is low value IMO.

Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide

2009-07-20 Thread Iain Wallace
If this is specifically designed for mobile, e.g. m.facebook.com or x.facebook.com and you've already determined if the user is on a mobile device or not, there's not much more on the server you can reliably do to determine the screen size. For more recent smart phones running something Webkit

Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide

2009-07-20 Thread Ciaran Hamilton
On 7/20/09, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: If you have a mobile browser and a few seconds of time, can you point it to http://m.ukfree.tv to verify if your device gets recognised please? Works on my Nokia E65: nokia_e65_ver1 device capabilities Width 229, height 210,

Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide

2009-07-20 Thread Brian Butterworth
Iain, Your points are all good. My general idea was to do something like these single tall colum mobile sites. Certain search engines like to have the m. as a prefix to denote a mobile site. http://m.guardian.co.uk/ http://m.guardian.co.uk/or http://www.bbc.co.uk/mobile/index.html or

Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide

2009-07-20 Thread Alun Rowe
We support phones usually through m.domain where the customer pays us to write a specific version otherwise we'd consider graceful degredation to be enough to support the majority of Phones. Writing a mobile version is usually about delivering a significantly stripped and optimised

Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide

2009-07-20 Thread Alun Rowe
People aren't looking for beauty in design on mobile. They usually are looking for specific data to accomplish a set task. Setting a page header using a background tile and an overlayed logo would be suitable in a mobile app IMO Also what about the people who are using the m.domain on

Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide

2009-07-20 Thread Brian Butterworth
Another good mobile site is wikipedia's... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Felt_Like_A_Kiss http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Felt_Like_A_Kiss 2009/7/20 Alun Rowe alun.r...@pentangle.co.uk People aren't looking for beauty in design on mobile. They usually are looking for specific data to

Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide

2009-07-15 Thread Brian Butterworth
Hi, The only problem I have with the wurfl.sourceforge.net system is that the server I pay for has a memory limit (Allowed memory size of 68157440 bytes exhausted) and I can't unpack the XML file to the cache. But an online service would be great for mobile sites. There could be several ways to

Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide

2009-07-14 Thread Alun Rowe
http://blueflavor.com/blog/2006/jul/21/designing-for-mobile/ + seaqrch for Brian Fling + Mobile for lots of extra info. Also SimpleBitĀ¹s Dan Cederholm has done a bunch of googlable mobile stuff. On 14/07/2009 15:09, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: Hi, I've been looking at

Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide

2009-07-14 Thread Richard Lockwood
Maybe I've missed the point here, but: script type=text/javascript document.write(screen.width+'x'+screen.height); /script Or is that not reliable? Cheers, R. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Brian Butterworthbriant...@freeview.tv wrote: Hi, I've been looking at adapting some sites to work

Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide

2009-07-14 Thread Brian Butterworth
The problem I had with Javascript before was that quite a lot of time it is disabled, and that it is usually better with mobile devices to sort all the formatting out on the server, as almost every mobile browser I know sucks. 2009/7/14 Richard Lockwood richard.lockw...@gmail.com Maybe I've

Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide

2009-07-14 Thread Brian Butterworth
Tom Thanks. That very much looks like the one. 2009/7/14 Tom Hannen tomhan...@gmail.com http://wurfl.sourceforge.net/ On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Brian Butterworthbriant...@freeview.tv wrote: Hi, I've been looking at adapting some sites to work better on mobile devices. I can do

Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide

2009-07-14 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
Try a search for UAProf and Wurfl. The latter is prolly simplest. It is a centrally maintained file. Fetch the XML file at https://sourceforge.net/projects/wurfl/files/ regularly - and preparse - or use the sample code. It basically contains somethng like device

Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide

2009-07-14 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
Brian Butterworth wrote: 2009/7/14 Dirk-Willem van Gulik di...@webweaving.org mailto:di...@webweaving.org Try a search for UAProf and Wurfl. The latter is prolly simplest. It is a centrally maintained file. Fetch the XML file at https://sourceforge.net/projects/wurfl/files/