[backstage] Re: Sky hits out at Project Canvas

2009-10-21 Thread Simon Thompson
Mo McRoberts wrote: Canvas has also announced a “position of alignment” with the HbbTV initiative: http://www.iptv-news.com/iptv_news/october_09/project_canvas_cooperating_with_hbbtv_initiative And frankly, looking at the website: http://www.hbbtv.org/ …it doesn’t exactly fill me with

Re: [backstage] Re: Sky hits out at Project Canvas

2009-10-21 Thread Mo McRoberts
On 21-Oct-2009, at 10:03, Simon Thompson wrote: Hybrid Broadcast Broadband TV (HBBtv) is a service like Canvas being implemented by Institut fuer Rundfunktechnik. Hybrid Broadcast Broadband (HBB) is a group at the European Broadcasting Union looking at the harmonisation of Canvas, HBBtv,

RE: [backstage] Re: Sky hits out at Project Canvas

2009-10-15 Thread Nick Reynolds-FMT
Why don't you ask your boss Anthony? -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mo McRoberts Sent: 14 October 2009 22:07 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Re: Sky hits out at Project Canvas On 14

Re: [backstage] Re: Sky hits out at Project Canvas

2009-10-15 Thread Mo McRoberts
Hey Nick, Why don't you ask your boss Anthony? That was me asking the questions, not Anthony ;) (Unless you meant “why don’t you ask your boss, Anthony?”, in which case “Anthony’s not my boss” :)) M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

RE: [backstage] Re: Sky hits out at Project Canvas

2009-10-15 Thread Anthony McKale
...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Nick Reynolds-FMT Sent: 15 October 2009 09:47 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Re: Sky hits out at Project Canvas Why don't you ask your boss Anthony? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http

Re: [backstage] Re: Sky hits out at Project Canvas

2009-10-14 Thread Stephen Jolly
On 14 Oct 2009, at 11:47, Mo McRoberts wrote: Thus creating an (effective) two-tier system: those who work go the whole hog within Canvas, or those who adhere to all of the _technical_ specifications but need to come to separate arrangements in order to deliver them, and can’t (of course),

Re: [backstage] Re: Sky hits out at Project Canvas

2009-10-14 Thread Mo McRoberts
On 14-Oct-2009, at 12:12, Stephen Jolly wrote: On 14 Oct 2009, at 11:47, Mo McRoberts wrote: Thus creating an (effective) two-tier system: those who work go the whole hog within Canvas, or those who adhere to all of the _technical_ specifications but need to come to separate

Re: [backstage] Re: Sky hits out at Project Canvas

2009-10-14 Thread David Tomlinson
The hardware determines what functions are available. The specification should only cover the core functionality, needed to access the free services. This may include an embedded browser, standard codecs etc. The user interface could be provided as a reference, but how can it act as a

Re: [backstage] Re: Sky hits out at Project Canvas

2009-10-14 Thread Mo McRoberts
Hokay, taking a slightly different tack—rather than moaning about the bits of the proposal which appear incongruous, here’s something more tangible (and arguably useful). This is how I reckon it -should- work (and, obviously, is what I’m speccing for Baird):— Assuming the technical specs

Re: [backstage] Re: Sky hits out at Project Canvas

2009-10-14 Thread Stephen Jolly
On 14 Oct 2009, at 12:23, Mo McRoberts wrote: I think the document I linked to implies a more flexible picture than that. It doesn’t. There's stuff in section 2.7 that talks about the flexibility manufacturers would have to change the appearance of the core UI (up to a point), which to

Re: [backstage] Re: Sky hits out at Project Canvas

2009-10-14 Thread Mo McRoberts
On 14-Oct-2009, at 13:45, Stephen Jolly wrote: On 14 Oct 2009, at 12:23, Mo McRoberts wrote: I think the document I linked to implies a more flexible picture than that. It doesn’t. There's stuff in section 2.7 that talks about the flexibility manufacturers would have to change the

Re: [backstage] Re: Sky hits out at Project Canvas

2009-10-14 Thread Mr I Forrester
Just to be clear, I'm not saying we're not allowed to say anything, its just not clear what we can be said. I've heard so much about Canvas over the last year, I'm not even sure whats public, whats hear-say and whats actually secret (if anything) :) As some one said its a hot potato. I've just

RE: [backstage] Re: Sky hits out at Project Canvas

2009-10-14 Thread Nick Reynolds-FMT
@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Re: Sky hits out at Project Canvas Just to be clear, I'm not saying we're not allowed to say anything, its just not clear what we can be said. I've heard so much about Canvas over the last year, I'm not even sure whats public, whats hear-say and whats actually

Re: [backstage] Re: Sky hits out at Project Canvas

2009-10-14 Thread Mo McRoberts
On 14-Oct-2009, at 19:03, Mr I Forrester wrote: Just to be clear, I'm not saying we're not allowed to say anything, its just not clear what we can be said. I've heard so much about Canvas over the last year, I'm not even sure whats public, whats hear-say and whats actually secret (if

RE: [backstage] Re: Sky hits out at Project Canvas

2009-10-14 Thread Anthony McKale
: [backstage] Re: Sky hits out at Project Canvas On 14-Oct-2009, at 19:03, Mr I Forrester wrote: Just to be clear, I'm not saying we're not allowed to say anything, its just not clear what we can be said. I've heard so much about Canvas over the last year, I'm not even sure whats public, whats

Re: [backstage] Re: Sky hits out at Project Canvas

2009-10-14 Thread Mo McRoberts
On 14-Oct-2009, at 21:30, Anthony McKale wrote: Like wise as someone vaguely involved in canvas for AM i'm not sure what I'm allowed to say [snip lots of cool stuff] all of the benefits of the Canvas are relatively well-understood. the idea of set of technical specs which leverage Internet

[backstage] Re: Sky hits out at Project Canvas

2009-10-12 Thread Mo McRoberts
On 12-Oct-2009, at 08:12, Mo McRoberts wrote: From the FT: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ba940c48-b6c5-11de-8a28-00144feab49a.html Responding to myself (it’s an exciting life I lead), I notice that the FT says: “The broadcaster wants the Trust to force the BBC to allow anybody - not just

Re: [backstage] Re: Sky hits out at Project Canvas

2009-10-12 Thread David Tomlinson
Google ... http://www.projectcanvas.co.uk/project-summary BBC blog. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/10/sky_can_help_project_canvas_un.html Nor is it a BBC standard that the venture would adopt. A standard for connected TVs is being developed now with the Digital Television Group

Re: [backstage] Re: Sky hits out at Project Canvas

2009-10-12 Thread David Tomlinson
Mo McRoberts wrote: “The broadcaster wants the Trust to force the BBC to allow anybody - not just public service broadcasters - to join Canvas.” Is it safe to post ? As for following up your own posts ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/08/project_canvas/

Re: [backstage] Re: Sky hits out at Project Canvas

2009-10-12 Thread Mo McRoberts
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 22:05, David Tomlinson d.tomlin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Is it safe to post ? As for following up your own posts ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/08/project_canvas/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/08/project_canvas/page2.html To repeat, the technology

Re: [backstage] Re: Sky hits out at Project Canvas

2009-10-12 Thread Stephen Jolly
On 12 Oct 2009, at 22:47, Mo McRoberts wrote: That was all written before the exec clarified the proposition and the consultation was extended. I was all for Canvas until it became clear what it *actually* was. Do share. :-) S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To