On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 19:26, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote:
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 18:57, Scot McSweeney-Roberts
I don’t think _anybody_ claimed that Apple was “open”. Apple have,
however, become far _more_ open than they were, and are continuing to
do so.
And I'd say they're about as
You've be forgiven for thinking this was a BBC list - what with all the
postings about Apple and all - I know it's a bit OT, but apparently a
British company (X2) are touting an 'iTablet' that looks to be anything but
closed:
http://bit.ly/dojyX9
Not a peep on news.bbc.co.uk - but I guess that's
On 6-Feb-2010, at 16:17, Reverend Graeme Mulvaney wrote:
You've be forgiven for thinking this was a BBC list - what with all the
postings about Apple and all - I know it's a bit OT, but apparently a British
company (X2) are touting an 'iTablet' that looks to be anything but closed:
Apologies - Apple Hardware rather than Macs. Although Macs *are*
primarily consumer hardware. The amount of tinkerability has always
been several degrees of magnitude below that of a PC.
Cheers,
R.
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote:
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 07:19, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote:
OTOH, Apple has quite regularly suggested that Macs aren't necessarily
consumer-focused.
Seeing as the first few Macs couldn't even be opened up*, I doubt
Steve Jobs has ever really cared for tinkering. I can remember the
first
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:41, Scot McSweeney-Roberts
bbc_backst...@mcsweeney-roberts.co.uk wrote:
Seeing as the first few Macs couldn't even be opened up*, I doubt
Steve Jobs has ever really cared for tinkering. I can remember the
first time I used a Mac back in 1985 and the first thing that
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 01:29, Richard Lockwood
richard.lockw...@gmail.com wrote:
Macs are consumer hardware - and it's never been suggested that
they're anything else.
Hold on a second. I have a MacBook in front of me and within arms
reach I have an Eee.
Let's see:
The MacBook has a screen.
Did you read the article?
http://diveintomark.org/archives/2010/01/29/tinkerers-sunset
It sounded like you hadn't...
Richard Lockwood wrote:
Use a PC.
Macs are consumer hardware - and it's never been suggested that
they're anything else.
Don't forget, the vast majority of people want their
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 13:17, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote:
Since Jobs' return to the helm, Macs have become steadily and
increasingly more open with each passing year, both in hardware and
software terms. Remember when the only way to run an alternative OS on
a Mac was by booting Mac
So we're just ignoring WebKit, Darwin, Grand Central and the rest of the stuff
on this list?
http://www.apple.com/opensource/
On 5 Feb 2010, at 14:29, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote:
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 13:17, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote:
Since Jobs' return to the helm, Macs have
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 14:29, Scot McSweeney-Roberts
bbc_backst...@mcsweeney-roberts.co.uk wrote:
Remember when you could buy a Mac clone with Apple's full permission?
That you can run an alternative OS on a Mac with ease these days is
more due to a grudging acceptance of market demands than a
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 14:49, Alex Mace a...@hollytree.co.uk wrote:
So we're just ignoring WebKit, Darwin, Grand Central and the rest of the
stuff on this list?
WebKit wasn't Apple's - It was from originally KDE.
Darwin is BSD on top of a Mach microkernel - again, not Apple's code.
Giving
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 14:58, Darren Stephens
darren.steph...@hull.ac.uk wrote:
No,
For many people it is ENTIRELY rational behaviour. Most people are not like
us (who jailbreak iphone and touch and tinker with OS X). Most people want a
consumer project. They want something they can switch on
No,
For many people it is ENTIRELY rational behaviour. Most people are not like
us (who jailbreak iphone and touch and tinker with OS X). Most people want a
consumer project. They want something they can switch on and use, not spend
the rest of your life trying to configure and tweak. For nokia,
If you want to run Mac OS X on Dell hardware, go right ahead, Apple won't stop
you. I don't see why Apple, with a minority share in the computer market,
should officially support you doing that.
Alex
On 5 Feb 2010, at 15:09, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote:
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 14:49, Alex
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 15:09, Scot McSweeney-Roberts
bbc_backst...@mcsweeney-roberts.co.uk wrote:
WebKit wasn't Apple's - It was from originally KDE.
Darwin is BSD on top of a Mach microkernel - again, not Apple's code.
Oh, right, well if it's that easy, I'll just toddle off here and build
my
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 15:01, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote:
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 14:29, Scot McSweeney-Roberts
Yup. it nearly put them out of business. I'm not sure 'open to the
point of financial ruin' is a beneficial strategy for anybody
concerned.
I didn't say killing off the
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 15:29, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote:
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 15:09, Scot McSweeney-Roberts
bbc_backst...@mcsweeney-roberts.co.uk wrote:
WebKit wasn't Apple's - It was from originally KDE.
Darwin is BSD on top of a Mach microkernel - again, not Apple's code.
Oh,
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 16:57, Scot McSweeney-Roberts
bbc_backst...@mcsweeney-roberts.co.uk wrote:
No, Apple will actively stop me from doing it, by making subtle
changes to the OS to ensure it won't run, such as actively not
supporting Atom processors.
How do you actively not do something,
Good. One of the reasons Mac OS X doesn't suffer the DLL hell of Windows is
that it has a much smaller range of hardware to support.
You can't complain about not being able to tinker and then if you do go and
tinker it being Apple's fault it doesn't work.
Just don't use Apple products and
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 17:06, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote:
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 16:57, Scot McSweeney-Roberts
bbc_backst...@mcsweeney-roberts.co.uk wrote:
No, Apple will actively stop me from doing it, by making subtle
changes to the OS to ensure it won't run, such as actively not
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 17:14, Alex Mace a...@hollytree.co.uk wrote:
Just don't use Apple products and stop moaning about it.
I stopped using Apple products several years ago. I don't really care
one way or another how open Apple it's products are - I do moan when
people say Apple are open when
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 18:57, Scot McSweeney-Roberts
bbc_backst...@mcsweeney-roberts.co.uk wrote:
No idea. Plenty of people seem to want to though. Hence the whole
Hackintosh community. Unsurprisingly, I think they're a bit nuts - but
the point is that Apple are not for tinkering and openness.
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 16:00, Scot McSweeney-Roberts
bbc_backst...@mcsweeney-roberts.co.uk wrote:
Fairplay? How would the iTunes Store have possibly existed without it?
(and I don't mean in technical terms, where would they have got any
content from?)
Fairplay wasn't the only DRM system in
Tim Dobson wrote:
Thoughts on postcard?
My postcard only has tickboxes for 'wish you were here', 'having a
lovely time' and 'Had a lovely time at iDisney', all the rest of the
card is too slippery to write on, what do I do?
-
Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To
Use a PC.
Macs are consumer hardware - and it's never been suggested that
they're anything else.
Don't forget, the vast majority of people want their computer to just
work - and that means: email, web browsing, basic word processing and
maybe a spreadsheet. Oh, and handling their digital
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 01:29, Richard Lockwood
richard.lockw...@gmail.com wrote:
Use a PC.
Macs are consumer hardware - and it's never been suggested that
they're anything else.
Er, eh?
Are we talking about the same thing, here?
_iPads and iPhones_ are consumer hardware, no shadow of a
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